xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22624 Dec 4, 2013
Canton wrote:
The REAL reason why our country is hurting...
http://www.highexistence.com/images/view/yup/
Kind of makes you wonder why the top CEO's come to the US. Just like the top doctors and surgeons. I get treated at the Cleveland Clinic downtown. When you walk into the Clinic, you feel like the foreigner. I'm sure that's all going to change thanks to DumBama though.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22625 Dec 4, 2013
Quetzalcoatl Says wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not qualified enough to speak on a corpse's behalf, but I guess you are.
So please, tell us the "correct answer", Mr. Fuel Emissions Expert...
Maybe give us Washington's opinion on cyber bullying while you're at it...
ROFLMAO
Yes, yes. Such a funny man. Right after you tell us how Madison would have felt about assault rifles.

Instead of me giving you the correct answer, why not ask your neighbors? Go out and ask people if they had a choice of describing our government using Jeffersons definition, what kind of a government do we have today?
Republican 101

Van Wert, OH

#22626 Dec 4, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
Seems like Mike Lee, Rand Paul, and Ted Cruze will be only 3 in Washington not fired.
How did I miss this brilliant gem?
Be ready to eat those words, little piggy...
ROFLMAO

Since: Aug 12

United States

#22627 Dec 4, 2013
Looks like Reality speaks got it right on.
Republican 101

Van Wert, OH

#22628 Dec 4, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, yes. Such a funny man. Right after you tell us how Madison would have felt about assault rifles.
Instead of me giving you the correct answer, why not ask your neighbors? Go out and ask people if they had a choice of describing our government using Jeffersons definition, what kind of a government do we have today?
I already told you, MOST of my neighbors are out of touch, farmer welfare dependent conservative bigots.
I need their expert opinions on Jefferson quotes almost as much as I need your expert opinion on fuel emissions and undercover commies...
Republican 101

Van Wert, OH

#22629 Dec 4, 2013
IdintEarnThat wrote:
...
Oh, look who shows up right as I'm talking about farmer welfare dependent conservative bigots...
Coincidence, or irony?
Pops

Newport, KY

#22631 Dec 4, 2013
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
Assisted by others? According to the Tea Baggers, that's SOCIALISM!!! How dare you!
Sort of funny. Not used to humor from you!
I am NOT a Teabagger but since you replied to me I'll take it upon myself to point out that in Jefferson's time, social assistance was VOLUNTARY, it was NOT mandated by any government.
I know, that's sort of an odd concept to many.
Canton

Canton, OH

#22632 Dec 4, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Think that "the rich don't pay their fair share" is something new? Well.... maybe to you it is. But I'll tell you I've been hearing it my entire life, and guess what? Nobody is getting kicked to the curb. In fact, the rich got richer under DumBama.
What children in the future will be taught is how the US economy finally collapsed under the weight of an overspending government and how the lazy, greedy and ignorant were the people that caused this collapse. And no, I'm not talking about the wealthy either.
Nothing builds a strong work ethic like a trust fund. I think you need a clearer picture of actually who is getting assisted by these government programs. I certainly feel that the process should be fine tuned to make up for our increasing population and I by no means support abuse of the system. I have had friends that needed assistance once with food stamps, because the dad was laid off from a high paying job and they had two children. Socialism or not, I am glad that we live in a country where they were able to get back on their feet and provide stability for their young children instead of losing everything and wondering how their kids would be fed. This was all due to no fault of their own. They were responsible, yet still landed in a place where they needed government assistance. Please explain why you would have rather saw the tax paying, hard working American family fall apart instead of receiving the assistance that they did.
Canton

Canton, OH

#22633 Dec 4, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Sort of funny. Not used to humor from you!
I am NOT a Teabagger but since you replied to me I'll take it upon myself to point out that in Jefferson's time, social assistance was VOLUNTARY, it was NOT mandated by any government.
I know, that's sort of an odd concept to many.
Pops. Most of the things I say on here are to make me and my wife laugh. I certainly don't think I am teaching you guys anything, any more than you would be teaching me. Statistically, it just doesn't happen. If anything, the media on both sides has polarized the issues to the point that we all get clumped in on one extreme side or the other. A point I often like to make fun of on this forum. I can understand your views on the government making people have insurance, but it really isn't that much different than people having to have car insurance. It makes it so we are no longer paying the bill for the large amount of people who were still being treated, yet weren't paying in any form at all.

As far as Jefferson's views on the matter, he wasn't speaking from a perspective that included millions and millions of people, like our population is now. Ultimately, if the GOP got what they wanted, the seniors, vets and middle income families that are still waiting for that "trickle down" would be hungry and homeless.
Canton

Canton, OH

#22634 Dec 4, 2013
Ooops...almost forgot. You are a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker stuck to the wheel of a Rascal mobility scooter.
UdintEarnThat

Canton, OH

#22635 Dec 4, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
Looks like Reality speaks got it right on.
Ha ha ha ha ha! That's rich. Saddle on up to the no hit bat sh1t. Perhaps a spot of tea before you powder your wigs and hide some more taxable money in your offshore "Patriot" accounts. Then it's off to the country club, to prove to everyone what tough guys you are, followed by the underpaid help cleaning up after your continued success you have been living under the Obama administration. A quick government hand out because you have a loophole...oops, I meant a "farm" nudge, nudge and you two end the evening shooting invisible commies on your hand me down 400 acre doomsday Bible bunker McComplex.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22636 Dec 4, 2013
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
Pops. Most of the things I say on here are to make me and my wife laugh. I certainly don't think I am teaching you guys anything, any more than you would be teaching me. Statistically, it just doesn't happen. If anything, the media on both sides has polarized the issues to the point that we all get clumped in on one extreme side or the other. A point I often like to make fun of on this forum. I can understand your views on the government making people have insurance, but it really isn't that much different than people having to have car insurance. It makes it so we are no longer paying the bill for the large amount of people who were still being treated, yet weren't paying in any form at all.
My mother never had car insurance. Nether did her parents. Know why? None of them ever drove a motor vehicle in their lives! They had an option. They got rides from other family members or took public transportation.

So now what does one do if they don't want or can afford health insurance? Jump off of a bridge?

That's not an apples-to-apples comparison. But I did hear DumBama may want to force people to have car insurance too. He calls it AutoBama.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22637 Dec 4, 2013
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing builds a strong work ethic like a trust fund. I think you need a clearer picture of actually who is getting assisted by these government programs. I certainly feel that the process should be fine tuned to make up for our increasing population and I by no means support abuse of the system. I have had friends that needed assistance once with food stamps, because the dad was laid off from a high paying job and they had two children. Socialism or not, I am glad that we live in a country where they were able to get back on their feet and provide stability for their young children instead of losing everything and wondering how their kids would be fed. This was all due to no fault of their own. They were responsible, yet still landed in a place where they needed government assistance. Please explain why you would have rather saw the tax paying, hard working American family fall apart instead of receiving the assistance that they did.
Here's the problem: when you open up this federal government assistance, you do two things: one is you make more people government dependent. The more government dependents, the more likely Democrat voter. The second of course is you open up these programs for leaches and swindlers.

I told you about my recently evicted tenants who were receiving $250.00 per month in food stamps. The woman didn't want to work. The boyfriend refused to work over 40 hours per week. They had a large dog and three cats. They had high-speed internet, an Obama Phone, other cell phones, ordered pizza or Chinese twice a week and I know this because I seen the delivery vehicles in my yard.

Instead of giving up anything including the food stamps, they chose to be evicted by me. This not only left them without an apartment, but because it went through court, it's now public record and any landlord doing their homework will know about this when they apply for an apartment in the future. Why? Because they didn't want to risk losing their food stamps. So did this EBT card help them or hurt them and their family?

But I didn't need them to understand how the system works. My grocery store accepts EBT cards. Some pull two carts: one for the items they can pay with food stamps, and the other cart for the things they pay for with cash such as Pepsi or other sodas, dog food, cat food, cat litter, wine, cigarettes. These people don't even have shame enough to get their food stamps items and then return to the store for those other things. It's like a giant F-U to us cash paying customers. They almost laugh about it.

The thing is, if we ended the food stamp program right here and right now, few people would starve. Most would have to make sacrifices that working people make all the time, but they wouldn't go hungry. It would force them to be more responsible and perhaps make smarter moves in their future.
Canton

Canton, OH

#22638 Dec 4, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
My mother never had car insurance. Nether did her parents. Know why? None of them ever drove a motor vehicle in their lives! They had an option. They got rides from other family members or took public transportation.
So now what does one do if they don't want or can afford health insurance? Jump off of a bridge?
That's not an apples-to-apples comparison. But I did hear DumBama may want to force people to have car insurance too. He calls it AutoBama.
There are many more cars on the roads these days. I'm not sure that your mother's mother and her horse and buggy are a good example for this modern day issue. Not that your "jump off a bridge" for health coverage comment wasn't rational. The real question is, who fits the bill in our current health care system when one of those people who "choose" to not have health insurance has a heart attack and is rushed to the emergency room? Taxpayers, that's who. Also, where are all these people who are choosing not to have health insurance? I think you are confusing them with people who can't afford health care coverage. Many seniors have to put off getting needed medication until they can afford it. I saw this first hand and was always helping out my 95 year old Grandmother. What about those who don't have family to help them? I know of families where they have to work at an underpaid job, just so they can have health insurance for their kids. Before you go on your "lazy...deserved it...free loader" trip, the person I am talking about served in the military.
Canton

Canton, OH

#22639 Dec 4, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's the problem: when you open up this federal government assistance, you do two things: one is you make more people government dependent. The more government dependents, the more likely Democrat voter. The second of course is you open up these programs for leaches and swindlers.
I told you about my recently evicted tenants who were receiving $250.00 per month in food stamps. The woman didn't want to work. The boyfriend refused to work over 40 hours per week. They had a large dog and three cats. They had high-speed internet, an Obama Phone, other cell phones, ordered pizza or Chinese twice a week and I know this because I seen the delivery vehicles in my yard.
Instead of giving up anything including the food stamps, they chose to be evicted by me. This not only left them without an apartment, but because it went through court, it's now public record and any landlord doing their homework will know about this when they apply for an apartment in the future. Why? Because they didn't want to risk losing their food stamps. So did this EBT card help them or hurt them and their family?
But I didn't need them to understand how the system works. My grocery store accepts EBT cards. Some pull two carts: one for the items they can pay with food stamps, and the other cart for the things they pay for with cash such as Pepsi or other sodas, dog food, cat food, cat litter, wine, cigarettes. These people don't even have shame enough to get their food stamps items and then return to the store for those other things. It's like a giant F-U to us cash paying customers. They almost laugh about it.
The thing is, if we ended the food stamp program right here and right now, few people would starve. Most would have to make sacrifices that working people make all the time, but they wouldn't go hungry. It would force them to be more responsible and perhaps make smarter moves in their future.
I agree that the assistance programs need reformed to crack down on abuse, but it doesn't change the fact that they are necessary programs in a civilized society. Take a look at the extremes of lavish lifestyles you see with the wealthiest of Americans, flaunted across the television like it was the air we breath. Money to the point that it becomes abstract. How can you cry about some poor person buying pop with foodstamps when the facts tell us that the gap between the rich and poor is growing exponentially. I would hardly call the performance of these "job creators" as being exponential.
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#22640 Dec 5, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
You cost me money because I am forced to pay the taxes you don't.
what is funny is your future when the government is forced on a balanced budget.
that is funny.......you have 3 years to prepare yourself......don't waste them.
WTH? Since the early 70's every paycheck I've seen has had taxes taken out of it. It's hard to fathom how you pay my and everyone else's taxes on your supposed measly sale every 2 or 3 months. That's a boatload of fantasy earnings. And if that is the case, you owe me a boatload of money. Pay up mommy's boy. Do those video games you play delude you into being able to predict the future for your little Edenic, fantasy world you live in? I bet you still have to use a pacifiar(binky) for bedtime. Or is it your thumb?
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#22641 Dec 5, 2013
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing builds a strong work ethic like a trust fund. I think you need a clearer picture of actually who is getting assisted by these government programs. I certainly feel that the process should be fine tuned to make up for our increasing population and I by no means support abuse of the system. I have had friends that needed assistance once with food stamps, because the dad was laid off from a high paying job and they had two children. Socialism or not, I am glad that we live in a country where they were able to get back on their feet and provide stability for their young children instead of losing everything and wondering how their kids would be fed. This was all due to no fault of their own. They were responsible, yet still landed in a place where they needed government assistance. Please explain why you would have rather saw the tax paying, hard working American family fall apart instead of receiving the assistance that they did.
safety nets are what wealthy nations of religious people do.

Generational welfare never was the intent.

a band aide to get your life headed in the right direction is reason for safety blanket.

I am glad your friends got a leg up, but if they blew it and sat around doing nothing to fix the problem, then I say let them go hungry......that motivates by instinct bypassing lack of ambition or sheer laziness.
Republican 101

Van Wert, OH

#22642 Dec 5, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
safety nets are what wealthy nations of religious people do.
Generational welfare never was the intent.
a band aide to get your life headed in the right direction is reason for safety blanket.
I am glad your friends got a leg up, but if they blew it and sat around doing nothing to fix the problem, then I say let them go hungry......that motivates by instinct bypassing lack of ambition or sheer laziness.
Quick tip for ya, don't b!tch about laziness right after you tell everyone how dependent you are upon hired help.
Makes ya seem like a self important, deluded sissyboy.
Oh wait...
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#22643 Dec 5, 2013
Republican 101 wrote:
<quoted text>I already told you, MOST of my neighbors are out of touch, farmer welfare dependent conservative bigots.
I need their expert opinions on Jefferson quotes almost as much as I need your expert opinion on fuel emissions and undercover commies...
how cares what a parasite like you thinks?

when you going to pay your fair share?

let your excuses begin.
Republican 101

Van Wert, OH

#22644 Dec 5, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
how cares what a parasite like you thinks?
when you going to pay your fair share?
let your excuses begin.
Sorry, but I've NEVER taken any form of government assistance, I have a great paying job, I pay my taxes (unlike you whiny trust fund babies), and I don't need to pay other people to help me through my day to day life (also unlike you whiny trust fundies).
Sorry to ruin your little fantasy world there, comrade...
ROFLMAO

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