Local Bar Sued Over Smoking Ban

For the first time, a Cuyahoga County bar is being taken to court in connection with Ohio's smoking ban. Full Story

“Non smoking freedom loving vet”

Since: Apr 08

Chicago

#21 Aug 25, 2010
pistoff wrote:
If they can pay the fines, let them keep violating and paying. Perhaps smokers will line up to help pay some of the fines.
The bars in my area pay the fine on time so that they don't snowball. The "fine kitty" is generously supported.

“Non smoking freedom loving vet”

Since: Apr 08

Chicago

#22 Aug 25, 2010
Just adding a "smoking tax" would have saved a lot of confusion. Unfortunatly, starving lawyers would be deprived of work.
whatever

United States

#23 Aug 25, 2010
Your Kidding Right wrote:
Shut it down if they can't follow the law. I quite smoking 10 years ago and don't regret it, best thing I ever did. I smoked and chewed tabacco for 25 years, went cold turkey on both and have not touched a single tobacco product since.
Did you "Quite" SPELLCHECK also? Maybe you should start smoking again and "quite" writing. You were better at smoking from the way it sounds.
barowner

Cleveland, OH

#24 Aug 25, 2010
My husband and I have owned our bar for ten years. I support the smoking ban 100%. Business has not decreased as a result of the ban. As a matter of fact our sales are up. We do have patio space that allows patrons to smoke while drinking. Oh, and both me and my husband are smokers.

Since: Jan 10

Bolivar, OH

#25 Aug 25, 2010
This is a bunch of crap about smoking. I have been smoking since I was 16 yrs., old and after the last x-ray I had 2 years ago my lungs are perfect.,( I am now 64 yrs., old and show no sign of damage to my lungs ). I still smoke and no problems. If you don't like my smoke then go drink somewhere else. Do these lawmakers realize that they are putting bars out of business? I don't drink any more but that is my choice. I hope the bar wins it's fight. What ever happened to our rights. We have to stick together on this or we will never win. Good luck in court. I wish I could be there to help you in your cause.
observationdude

Alliance, OH

#26 Aug 25, 2010
You smokers have smoked so much your brain is clouded with smoke. You idiots, if I go to a public bar to have a drink and you are sitting next to me. My drinking beer does not affect you. Or if you are drinking whiskey it does not affect me. BUT, if you smoke next to me, I smell it, I breathe it in, it's disgusting. So, your smoke goes up my nose. I didn't go to the public bar to drink a beer AND smell your cigarette. I went to the bar to drink a beer. So, guess what, I understand, my parents smoked for 25 years-it's bad and it's addicting and YOU THINK you have the right to smoke, you do, just not in public. This is not abou rights, it's about health and my health. I get it, but I don't want to smell your smoke. My parents smoked around us and my grandfather had emphysema, coughed up loogies every 10 minutes. I have seen it first hand-the stupidity finally my parents quit and realized it's just a terrible habit, they should have not started, legal or not, it's not good. Fine, then have a private smoking bar and you can all choke yourself to death but stay away from the general non-smoking public and that includes me.
observationdude

Alliance, OH

#27 Aug 25, 2010
PS Keith 1946--you are lucky and go eff yourself.
tired of jerks

United States

#28 Aug 25, 2010
Take their license away from them and shut their doors
bob

Akron, OH

#29 Aug 25, 2010
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you "Quite" SPELLCHECK also? Maybe you should start smoking again and "quite" writing. You were better at smoking from the way it sounds.
I was wondering how do you hear what this person is typing in the forum? "You were better at smoking from the way it sounds." Maybe you should relax, jerkoff.
Monica

Cleveland, OH

#30 Aug 25, 2010
As far as the smoking ban goes, I think bars should be able to decide if they want to allow smoking in their bar or not. If they choose to, the bar should have to carry a smoking license and have a notice posted outside stating it is a smoking bar. As far as smoking in bars that serve food (restaurants too), it should be banned-nobody wants to choke on smoke while they're eating because to people that don't smoke, it is suffocating.

“Non smoking freedom loving vet”

Since: Apr 08

Chicago

#31 Aug 25, 2010
tired of jerks wrote:
Take their license away from them and shut their doors
Thats what smoking bans are all about.

Since: Dec 09

United States

#32 Aug 25, 2010
Monica wrote:
As far as the smoking ban goes, I think bars should be able to decide if they want to allow smoking in their bar or not. If they choose to, the bar should have to carry a smoking license and have a notice posted outside stating it is a smoking bar. As far as smoking in bars that serve food (restaurants too), it should be banned-nobody wants to choke on smoke while they're eating because to people that don't smoke, it is suffocating.
Good point on the restaurant. I recently went out of state, had to eat in a place with smokers, and had forgotten how unpleasant that was. Smokers usually insist that it is my right to go somewhere else if I don't like their smoke. What about my right to not be subjected to second hand smoke. The right of a self destructing minority supersedes mine? How come?
bob

Akron, OH

#33 Aug 25, 2010
It really doesn't matter to me personally. But I could see if they lifted the ban and just had a completely closed off (yet ventilated of course) smoking area. Just saying.

Since: Mar 10

Cleveland, OH

#34 Aug 25, 2010
tranpsosition wrote:
Wonderful! All the bars out here are smoke free and it's resulted in better nights out and healthier, more attractive young people going into the bar trade
I'm sure they want to keep the more attractive young people coming in, so maybe you should just stay away.
ksizzle

New York, NY

#35 Aug 25, 2010
the place is a dump and an eyesore in an otherwise great city. Laws are laws, no smoking means no smoking. I get sick to my stomach every time I see a smoker throw another cancer stick out of their car window and onto the ground, disgusting. Smokers chose to smoke and non smokers not to. Non smokers do not need to sit in their second hand smoke, period. Their may or may not be an issue with second hand smoke and illness but I am not a doctor and do not know. I do know that if I choose to eat out somewhere or go grab a beer, it is very refreshing not having someone's exhale blowing in my face as I am taking a bite of a burger. Yellow fingers, bad breath, stinky clothes and hair and not to mention an all around disgusting habit. My favorite is seeing a parent driving with the windows rolled up and a kid in the car as they fire back another heater. That grime building up on your windows is really a sweet look. Smoker's, you should quit for a month and then kiss a smoker....TASTY
Loving Mother of TWO

Beachwood, OH

#36 Aug 25, 2010
joe wrote:
I hope they fight this to the end. It is a crazy law and taxpayers have to start standing up for what they feel is right. I give the owner credit for allowing smoking in his bar, it is his business and should be able to run it like he wants. If people do not like smoking there then go to another bar and quit bitching about his bar.
I agree,people especially adults should be able to do what they want, as long as they are not hurting anyone, if they don't like the smoke..then keep it moving!

“[type a headline here]”

Since: Apr 10

Strongsville, OH

#37 Aug 25, 2010
Hey! Lets ban taxes on Gasoline, they're bad for my checking account. Let's ban strippers (oops, already did). Let's ban motorcycles since they're bad for your health... Oh the list could go on forever.... They start small and work thier way up the line...

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
urcrazy

Solon, OH

#38 Aug 25, 2010
Your Kidding Right wrote:
Shut it down if they can't follow the law. I quite smoking 10 years ago and don't regret it, best thing I ever did. I smoked and chewed tabacco for 25 years, went cold turkey on both and have not touched a single tobacco product since.
You reformed smokers are the worst complainers...get over it already. Good for you for quitting but keep quiet.
Drew

Independence, MO

#39 Aug 25, 2010
barowner wrote:
My husband and I have owned our bar for ten years. I support the smoking ban 100%. Business has not decreased as a result of the ban. As a matter of fact our sales are up. We do have patio space that allows patrons to smoke while drinking. Oh, and both me and my husband are smokers.
The anti's will be coming after your patio space before too long.
james

AOL

#40 Aug 25, 2010
If you don't like to be around, then go to a different bar or club.
Is that a hard thing to do?

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