'So help me God' optional in Air Forc...

'So help me God' optional in Air Force honor oath

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#1 Oct 27, 2013
That has been merely a tradition. The actual text of the Presidential Oath of Office doesn't have it. It's purely optional.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#2 Oct 27, 2013
snyper wrote:
That has been merely a tradition. The actual text of the Presidential Oath of Office doesn't have it. It's purely optional.
This is about the USAF oath. Not the Presidential oath.

TomInElPaso

“Impeach the reality show actor”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#3 Oct 27, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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This is about the USAF oath. Not the Presidential oath.
And no federal or state oath should require anyone to accept any religious figure. Period.

TomInElPaso

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Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#4 Oct 27, 2013
Beyond that the Air Force academy was, for decades, a hotbed and playground of rightwing religious fanatics. That is slowly changing and for that we should all be grateful.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#5 Oct 27, 2013
TomInElPaso wrote:
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And no federal or state oath should require anyone to accept any religious figure. Period.
What ???

“Where's my fairy wand!”

Since: Apr 08

Reading PA

#6 Oct 27, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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What ???
What "What" Foxy?

Are you suggesting that I am somehow required to believe in a higher power to serve my country? I think not.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#7 Oct 27, 2013
KirkW wrote:
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What "What" Foxy?
Are you suggesting that I am somehow required to believe in a higher power to serve my country? I think not.
I didn't say that. Your post just didn't make any sense.

The federal government, and state government oaths required when taking office do NOT have any religious references, Christian or otherwise.

The Presidential Oath does NOT have "so help me God" in it, but rather POTUS'es say "so help me God" solely by tradition because George Washington said it when taking the oath. Perhaps he shouldn't have done so, but he did.

And if a POTUS did NOT say it when taking the oath, you can sure the press would be playing that up constantly for 7 or 8 weeks questioning whether an atheist was just elected to office.
Chance

Grove City, PA

#8 Oct 27, 2013
The slippery slope begun with "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is accelerating.

“Where's my fairy wand!”

Since: Apr 08

Reading PA

#9 Oct 27, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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I didn't say that. Your post just didn't make any sense.
The federal government, and state government oaths required when taking office do NOT have any religious references, Christian or otherwise.
The Presidential Oath does NOT have "so help me God" in it, but rather POTUS'es say "so help me God" solely by tradition because George Washington said it when taking the oath. Perhaps he shouldn't have done so, but he did.
And if a POTUS did NOT say it when taking the oath, you can sure the press would be playing that up constantly for 7 or 8 weeks questioning whether an atheist was just elected to office.
It seems, if you read the thread, you were disagreeing with someone who agrees with what you wrote here.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10 Oct 27, 2013
Chance wrote:
The slippery slope begun with "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is accelerating.
Except of course that it's not.

This has nothing to do with gays & lesbians serving openly.
Chance

Grove City, PA

#11 Oct 27, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Except of course that it's not.
This has nothing to do with gays & lesbians serving openly.
I believe it does.
Hansel Currywurst

Houston, TX

#12 Oct 27, 2013
Chance wrote:
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I believe it does.
You are free to believe what you want; you're not free to require others to believe it too.

It's funny how your comment is so similar to the news item but you're completely oblivious to that.

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#14 Oct 28, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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This is about the USAF oath. Not the Presidential oath.
It's the Civil Service Oath of Office, too, and are the words provided in the Constitution.

The addendum is mere tradition and not required by Law.

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#15 Oct 28, 2013
Chance wrote:
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I believe it does.
That's a strange belief. Many gay folks are religious, and would have no problem with that oath. Many straight soldiers are atheists or agnostics, and should not be forced to lie in their oath. It's pretty simple.

Orientation has nothing to do with it.

No one should ever be forced to swear to a God they do not believe in by our government.
BS Detector

Sherman Oaks, CA

#16 Oct 28, 2013
TomInElPaso wrote:
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And no federal or state oath should require anyone to accept any religious figure. Period.
For once, I agree with you entirely.
TomInElPaso wrote:
<quoted text> Beyond that the Air Force academy was, for decades, a hotbed and playground of rightwing religious fanatics. That is slowly changing and for that we should all be grateful.
Okay, this was just your usual prejudiced not-knowing-what-the-hell-you' re-talking-about stupid. True, USAFA is a hotbed of highly intelligent, patriotic individuals dedicated to serving their country and their fellow Americans.

For that, you should all be grateful.
BS Detector

Sherman Oaks, CA

#17 Oct 28, 2013
Chance wrote:
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I believe it does.
What you believe is irrelevant, as are you especially in light of experience, fact, and reason indicating otherwise.

Some people also believe that Elvis is still alive. Such people, too, are called nut jobs.

Since: Mar 09

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#18 Oct 28, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> For once, I agree with you entirely.
<quoted text> Okay, this was just your usual prejudiced not-knowing-what-the-hell-you' re-talking-about stupid. True, USAFA is a hotbed of highly intelligent, patriotic individuals dedicated to serving their country and their fellow Americans.
For that, you should all be grateful.
Apparently you missed the foofoorah about all that.

Here's one old report and discussion that comes to mind.* It's just one out of a great many in the mainstream media on the issue.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...

*It's the last of a four-part series on Dominionism, Christian Reconstructionism, and "The C-Street Family".

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#19 Oct 28, 2013

TomInElPaso

“Impeach the reality show actor”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#21 Oct 28, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> For once, I agree with you entirely.
<quoted text> Okay, this was just your usual prejudiced not-knowing-what-the-hell-you' re-talking-about stupid. True, USAFA is a hotbed of highly intelligent, patriotic individuals dedicated to serving their country and their fellow Americans.
For that, you should all be grateful.
You, quite obviously know nothing about Colorado Springs and the religious rights history of involvement with the Air Force Academy.

TomInElPaso

“Impeach the reality show actor”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#22 Oct 28, 2013
For Sure wrote:
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You queers are fking IDIOTS. If you don't believe in God, then what does it matter to say the words?. If you go to court and testify under oath as you have to, do you refuse? I think not. Just another way Queers and atheist, as most are the same, are working to tear down this great nation, with the help of Obama.
Would you like some cheese with your whine?

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