Episcopal Drama Rocks SC

Oct 17, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: FITSNews

The national Episcopal church has advised South Carolina Bishop Mark Lawrence that he has "abandoned" the church as a result of his refusal to accept its teachings on gay marriage and the ordination of gay and female clergy.

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Really? I wasn't aware ...
Clueless is your default setting.
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While I am more a MAN than you are Joe, I am not in the least bit butch.
Protesting too much, methinks.

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Clueless is your default setting.
If you keep saying so dear, but one of these days it would be nice if you could actually prove that claim to be even remotely true. Today hasn't been it.

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David, my little country pumpkin, you telling me that I am clueless is clear and convincing evidence that I'm not. Yes dear, I am more than happy to live in open rebellion to that thing you keep calling God. The prospect of an eternity spent with you is a pretty darn good reason to be.

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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>If you keep saying so dear, but one of these days it would be nice if you could actually prove that claim ...
Why as your posts are proof themselves?

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Why as your posts are proof themselves?
Are you asking me or telling me, sweetie? If you really want to believe that my posts are in and of themselves, "proof" of what you claim to be my cluelessness, that's on you, but I should point out that the only one who has agreed with you thus far is crazier than you are.

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"If Jesus ever said anything about homosexuality, it is not recorded in the Bible, even mistranslated. He did, however, speak extensively on God's unconditional love. Yet instead of dwelling on biblical love, Christians have historically been more concerned with obscure passages of Levitical cleanliness codes and Paul's misunderstood comments in Romans. Instead of focusing on the incredible injustice and hatred demonstrated by Christians and others, tying to deny homosexuals even basic civil rights, people appear more concerned with the specific homosexual acts between consenting adults who are naturally have a homosexual orientation. As James B. Nelson notes, the Bible more clearly advocates a "love ethic" rather than a "sex ethic."

I Cor 6:9, no way refers to homosexuality. The original Greek word often quoted as sexual immorality, Paul used was "porneia" which means "a harlot for hire". In Corinth in the temples of Venus, the principal deity of Corinth, where Christians went to worship, a thousand public prostitutes were kept at public expense to glorify and act as surrogates for the fertility Gods. This sex with the pagan Gods is what Paul was talking about - fornication is an admitted mistranslation and has nothing to do with gays or singles sex. This rendering reflected the bias of the translators rather than an accurate translation of Paul's words to a culture of 2000 years ago worshipping pagan sex gods.

Romans 1:26-27 mentions homosexual acts performed by people who are clearly described as heterosexual. The men in the NT patriarchal culture exerted dominance not only over women, but over younger males as well. The nature of homosexual acts in the Bible are so very different from what we know as homosexuality today that the passages have no application to today's homosexuality. Such practices as in NT times simply no longer exist. Alleged references to homosexuality in I Corinthians and I Timothy are the inventions of anti-gay translators. They are not in the original Greek texts." (Rev.Dr. Mel White)

The word "homosexual" wasn't even invented until 1869. When you see it in the bible, you know it is a modern mistranslation and misinterpretation of the original texts.

"What the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but no condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love. "On the other hand, the Bible pointedly celebrates instances of same-sex emotional intimacy, a fact often overlooked by fearful homophobic readers." James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary

Yet Jesus told us:

John 13:34: A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

John 15:17: This is my command: Love each other.

Matthew 7:1: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Luke 6:37: "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Matthew 7:12: So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Meanwhile, the irrational prejudice promoted by some who claim to be Christians, continues to cause needless suffering and death, here and around the world.

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Yeah, HE said something about marriage...DON'T GET DIVORCED! So find the ONE that you are to be with and STAY with them. If that is a man, fine, a woman fine...just be true to yourself and follow God's words.

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Phil McGroen wrote:
Those who assume that God is pleased with homosexual are simply in denial and blinded by their own iniquity and lust.
If that is what you want to believe, believe it to your little heart's content. sweetie, but you speak for nothing more than your choice of beliefs.
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"Sins of the flesh war against the soul."
Again hon, if that is what you want to believe about our homosexuality, believe, but that would be your problem, not ours.
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Sodom and Gommorrah's destruction was made as an example against them for future generations.
Too bad YOU didn't bother to learn what that lesson actually was and have just managed to come across as yet another Christian who has never read the Bible aside from a few bits and pieces that someone told you were important.
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God is not a Democrat.
Gee, I didn't know that God was even registered to vote.
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Christians today are ignorant of the scripture and justified in "their own eyes."
The pot calling the kettle black.
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That's why thay call it heaven, no sin or homosexuals.[/QUOTE}Honey lamb, any eternity spent with an assh*le such as yourself automatically disqualifies it as heaven.
[QUOTE who="Phil McGroen"]This Bishop is merely caught in the lust of his own heart.
You had better pray you are right, but at this point you've made it sadly clear that not only doesn't God not know you, he probably doesn't want to.
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Who knows maybe he's going to run for President next. Good luck with that one
Jesus save us from some of your so called Christians. Where are your bears when we really want them?

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Those who assume that God is pleased with homosexual are simply in denial and blinded by their own iniquity and lust. "Sins of the flesh war against the soul." Sodom and Gommorrah's destruction was made as an example against them for future generations. God is not a Democrat. Christians today are ignorant of the scripture and justified in "their own eyes." That's why thay call it heaven, no sin or homosexuals.
This Bishop is merely caught in the lust of his own heart. Who knows maybe he's going to run for President next. Good luck with that one
Yes, many Christians are ignorant of Scripture. Many even seem eager to use it to harm others, ignoring the many verses expressing the Golden Rule. The story of Sodom is misinterpreted to condemn same sex relationships. It was intended as a warning to treat others the way you want to be treated, rather than abusing and harming them.

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The use of the story of Sodom to label a sex act is a good example of a misinterpretation and misapplication of biblical verses to demonize and dehumanize.

"The primarily sexual meaning of the word sodomia for Christians did not evolve before the 6th century AD. Roman Emperor Justinian I, in his novels no. 77 (dating 538) and no. 141 (dating 559) amended to his Corpus iuris civilis, and declared that Sodom's sin had been specifically same-sex activities and desire for them. He also linked "famines, earthquakes, and pestilences" upon cities as being due to "such crimes", during a time of recent earthquakes and other disasters." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy

Sin of Sodom http://www.iwgonline.org/docs/sodom.html

There are about twenty references to the story of Sodom in the Bible, and none of them says homosexuality was the sin of Sodom. One of the most extensive references to Sodom is found in Ezekiel, which says,“This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it.”(Ezekiel 16:49-50 (See note 5.)) It is clear from this passage (and others like it (See note 6.)) that the abomination of Sodom, according to the Old Testament prophets, was that they behaved with callous indifference toward the weak and vulnerable — the poor, orphans, widows, and strangers in their midst." http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblica...

The point of Sodom was that you should love others, not abuse them. It was about harming them instead of treating them the way you want to be treated. It was about how you treat "the stranger at the gate." It had nothing to do with loving same sex relationships based on mutual respect and love between adults.

"Jesus and five Old Testament prophets all speak of the sins that led to the destruction of Sodom -- and not one of them mentions homosexuality. Even Billy Graham doesn't mention homosexuality when he preaches on Sodom."
"Ezekiel 16:48-49 tell us: "This is the sin of Sodom; she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were arrogant and this was abominable in God's eyes."

"It was common for soldiers, thieves, and bullies to rape a fallen enemy, asserting their victory by dehumanizing and demeaning the vanquished. This act of raping an enemy is about power and revenge,"

And it still happens today, most notoriously in prisons. It is not about love. It is about power, control, domination, and abuse. Rape is not love.

"The sexual act that occurs in the story of Sodom is a gang rape -- and homosexuals oppose gang rape as much as anyone. That's why I believe the story of Sodom says a lot about God's will for each of us, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today." ( quotes from: What the Bible says - and doesn't say - about Homosexuality)

Even the English versions of this story demonstrate there was nothing that can be honestly used to condemn gay people. Many other explanations including the Jewish versions of the this story agree the message is that you should not harm others but instead, treat them with love.

"In Sodom every one who gave bread and water to the poor was condemned to death by fire (Yal&#7731;., Gen. 83). Two girls, one poor and the other rich, went to a well; and the former gave the latter her jug of water, receiving in return a vessel containing bread. When this became known, both were burned alive."
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13827-...

So when you see verses that refers to Sodomites, they are addressing those who harm others needlessly, not same sex relationships based on mutual love and respect

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Romans 1:26-27 mentions homosexual acts performed by people who are clearly described as heterosexual ...
Heterosexuals don't perform homosexual acts because good trees don't produce bad fruit.

By their fruit, you will know them (Matt. 7:16).

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Heterosexuals don't perform homosexual acts because good trees don't produce bad fruit.
Sweetie, are you seriously suggesting that heterosexuals do not engage in either anal or oral sex or are you possibly suggesting that it is impossible for someone who is completely heterosexual to engage in same sex sexual acts? It really doesn't matter, either way, you are an idiot.
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By their fruit, you will know them (Matt. 7:16)
Joe dear, we know figs and we know thistles and we know the difference between the two and thus by your fruit we know you. Serious false prophet territory.

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Heterosexuals don't perform homosexual acts because good trees don't produce bad fruit.
By their fruit, you will know them (Matt. 7:16).
You must be one of the bad trees then.

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<quoted text>So why doesn't this apply to you, hypocrite?
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
Because it doesn't...does it apply to you?...living in open DENIAL.....

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Sweetie, are you seriously suggesting that heterosexuals do not engage in either anal or oral sex or are you possibly suggesting that it is impossible for someone who is completely heterosexual to engage in same sex sexual acts?...
Heterosexuals who also engage in same-sex acts are called bi-sexuals, the "B" in GLBT, Einstein.

Or have you forgotten your own "gay" little alphabet?

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Heterosexuals who also engage in same-sex acts are called bi-sexuals, the "B" in GLBT, Einstein.
Ah, you went with the heterosexuals can't engage in homosexual sexual behaviors stupidity option. Sweetie, heterosexuals who engage in same sex behaviors are only behaving as if they were bisexual, but if there was no same sex attraction connected to that behavior, they are still heterosexual, moron.

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Sweetie, heterosexuals who engage in same sex behaviors are only behaving as if they were bisexual ...
"... as if"?

You are just in denial; heterosexuals who engage in same sex behaviors ARE bi-sexuals: the "B" in GLBT means they're as "gay" as you, Ricky.

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You are just in denial; heterosexuals who engage in same sex behaviors ARE bi-sexuals: the "B" in GLBT means they're as "gay" as you, Ricky.
Sweetie, reality is laughing at you again. One has to have same sex attractions to be bisexual, said attractions however are not a prerequisite for those who engage in same sex sexual acts. The only denial here has been your own.
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Heterosexuals who also engage in same-sex acts are called bi-sexuals, the "B" in GLBT, Einstein.
Or have you forgotten your own "gay" little alphabet?
You are hopeless. Are you some kind of sexless blob?
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The kind of SEX a person engages in does not define sex orientation
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A person's sex orientation is an inborn characteristic; whether they have sex or not
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Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>So why doesn't this apply to you, hypocrite?
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
You will have to distance yourself from hostile religious extremism if you ever hope to 'save' anyone
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