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Article: ethanol blends get lower gas mileage too

There are 64 comments on the www.columbiatribune.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Article: ethanol blends get lower gas mileage too. In it, www.columbiatribune.com reports that:

When state law required Missouri petroleum dealers to switch last month to selling ethanol-blended E-10 fuel, the driving public barely uttered a peep. Most motorists were probably unaware they were filling their vehicles with fuel that was 10 percent grain alcohol.

But as the change settles in, some people are asking questions about ethanol and its fuel economy.

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Skeptic

Houston, TX

#63 Jun 26, 2008
Detroit News February 25, 2007
Forget ethanol; save corn for bourbon

NOLAN FINLEY

As a bourbon drinker and grandson of a moonshiner, I naturally perk up when talk turns to distilling corn.

Grandpa cooked corn into sour mash whiskey in a process nearly identical to the one used today to produce ethanol.

But while the feds chased Old Pap up hills and down hollers to stop him from running off a batch or two of home brew, the government this year will provide more than $7 billion in subsidies to encourage a massive expansion of ethanol production.

I think Jim Beam could do more good with that corn and money than the purveyors of E-85.

Ethanol is a fraud of an alternative fuel.

It's too costly to make. It can't be shipped economically It offers only a minimal impact on the greenhouse gasses linked to global warming, while creating other types of dangerous air and water pollution. And it won't break our addiction to foreign oil.

Even if every available acre of cropland in the United States were converted to growing corn, we'd still be about 20 percent short of what is needed for ethanol to replace gasoline.

Ethanol just ain't going to happen here.

But don't bother trying to explain that to the politicians.

They're too busy conning themselves and voters that spending truckloads of tax dollars to create an ethanol industry will free us from the oil sheiks and break the earth's rising fever.

Ethanol bites consumers

If this were nothing more than a waste of taxpayer money, I'd remain indifferent. Taxpayer money gets wasted by the billions every day, and we still manage to get up in the morning.

But as often happens when politicians meddle in markets, the anointment of ethanol will cost consumers in the pocketbook.

Corn prices shot up 55 percent last fall and are expected to double this year as ethanol plants gobble up more of the crop.

If you want to know how that affects you, take a look at the ingredients label on almost anything in your food pantry. Chances are you'll find corn syrup or another corn derivative on the list.

Already, riots have broken out in Mexico to protest the soaring price of tortillas. Corn flakes, too, cost more.

The weekly grocery bill will go up in equal measure with the output of ethanol.

If you're a corn farmer, you're loving this. Speculators have made corn ground hotter than Manhattan lofts.

But if you're a beef or dairy farmer, things arenít so swell.

With more of the corn crop diverted for ethanol production, the cost of feed is climbing. As is the price of beef and pork.

The corn boom inevitably will be followed by a corn bust when ethanol is exposed for its impracticality.

Taxpayers will see their "investment" in ethanol infrastructure evaporate.

Bourbon drinkers, however, may cash in. Something will have to be done with the glut of ethanol refineries.

Converting them to giant stills to make corn liquor would be a fine way to rescue this boondoggle from total ruin.
Skeptic

Houston, TX

#64 Jun 26, 2008
rick wrote:
everyone is just feeding off of eachother. become informed. it does not take 1.5 gallons of gas to make 1 gallon of ethanol. distilling ehtanol is where most of the, energy is used. anythign can be burned to distill the ethanol, including, and usually coal. the heat that is used to distill the ethanol is then used to create electricity. its called cogeneration. ethanol uses much less fossil fuels per gallon than gasoline. ethanol should cost alot more than 1.5 times the price of standard gasoline if 1.5 gallons of gas are used to make oen gallon of ehtanol. your logic is severely flawed
everyone says corn corn corn. corn is one of the many things that ethanol can be made from. most new systems can use any type of plant cellulose. so that means bamboo, swiftgrass, sugar cane or whatever.
Everyone is so concerned that people are listening to "the media" when in reality all of you are buyign into the negative publicity blitz fueled by oil companies.
Rick,

I agree with you that it doesnít take 1.5 gallons of gasoline to produce a gallon of ethanol but question you on cogeneration and believe you err re raw materials that can be fermented economically.

Sugar cane IS the ďbestĒ source of ethanol. Ethanol from cane IS cost competitive with gasoline NOW. Unfortunately it doesnít grow well in the U. S. It was tried here in Texas many years ago and there is a town just southwest of Houston named Sugar Land where Imperial Sugar had a plant. That folded long ago.

ANY CARBOHYDRATE can be fermented to ethanol (grapes to wine, potatoes to vodka, on and on) but fermentation of corn mash is lowest in cost here. We DONíT have technology to economically convert CELLULOSIC materials (bamboo, switchgrass etc) to ethanol YET but research on that is ongoing.

Iíve never seen a facility for distillation of alcohol from fermentation but doubt that even the largest uses cogeneration. IF coal is used the CO2 from burning the coal WOULD exceed the reduction in CO2 from using the ethanol in gasoline!

And you DO have to add the energy used in planting, cultivating and harvesting ANY crop to that used in distillation. Ethanol from corn IS NOT cost competitive with gasoline from crude without subsidies even now.

“Racin' Pagan”

Since: Oct 07

Columbia, MO

#65 Jun 27, 2008
http://www.hemp4fuel.com/

Henry Ford had a car that ran on hemp seed oil almost 100 years ago.

For bio mass fuels hemp is the word it's a weed and will grow anywhere.

Keep our food and feed grains for food and feed. weed for the gas tank.
Zoran

Skopje, Macedonia

#66 Jul 23, 2008
drive a bicycle

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