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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 156581 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#99698 Apr 14, 2013
do whut wrote:
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There was no point in doing it in that manner though.
Obviously I was trying to be comical with my analogy, but my point still stands. It is only insulting to the believers when you try to make their beliefs sound silly, it doesn't prove any validity or lack of. It only proves to insult. Calling God a sky fairy, invisible daddy, in a suit, etc etc, and calling believers sheep, ignorant, illogical, etc. is only meant to ridicule. It reminds me of a middle school bully.
If you don't want believers getting in your face, don't throw rocks by treating them this way. The ones that come at you telling you that you are going to hell deserve everything you got. But don't lump all believers in this bucket and attack us all. It's prejudice at its finest and insulting to the ones that are respectful and want to carry on a real conversation.
No dice. Christians are about 85% of the country. That persecution nonsense carries no weight with me. You are in control of this country. To put that to the test, imagine two candidates for the Presidency. One is openly atheist and the other is openly Christian. All other things being equal, which candidate do you think will get the nod?

That's a rhetorical question. We all know the answer.

Anyway, facts are facts. You believe in a magic man who sent his son to die so he could pay a debt we owed his father (who is also him). Now we can all live forever. And there was a talking snake too.

I'm sorry that it sounds silly when you say it out loud. But that's the way it is. I can't help what the Bible says. If it quacks like a duck...
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#99699 Apr 14, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Why don't you rephrase and summarize the missing information instead of getting PO'ed at people
I will take you suggestion and rephrase and summarize the missing information,for those who may be interested and have questioned it(Yiago,Spektakal, Spektales,Satan Priest among pthers)

These are 2 separate and unrelated events,taking place on the same day,within the same time frame. 8;30 AM and 9;00AM
These 2 separate and unrelated events,will lead ,to my finding my dog
Event 1)I am in a church,praying to a God of whose existence,I am highly skeptical. I am asking this God to prove his existence by helping me find my lost dog.Specifically i am asking that,when I walk out the church door,my dog will be standing outside,if that occurs,I will believe in him.
I look at my watch,it is 9;00 am.
I walk out the door,the dog is not there...I concluded that,prayer was not answered,Either God does not exist or he refused to answer.

Event 2)A lady is sitting at home readind the morning paper.
About 2 weeks prior,her neighbor had found a stray dog,brought it home and her girlfriend adopted it.
After neighbor told her she had found a home for the dog,she never gave that event a second thought.
While she is reading the paper,for some unknown reason,she decided to look at thr Lost pets section of the paper,that section contained a ad I had placed with a description of my dog.
She read the ads,and according to her,based on her recollection of the dog,none of the descriptions in the ads,seemed to fit her recollection of the dog,including the description in my ad.
In spite of that,she decided to call me anyway.
Logically,that does not make sense.

She informed me that she called me at home at about 9;am,and that no one answered the phone ,which is just about the time when I was leaving the church,therefore,No one was home
Up to that time,during our conversation,I was highly skeptical of her explanations,which she could not logically explain.

Those events are explained in the part that was deleted,which I have subseqyently reposted.
When she mentioned 9;00 o'clock,that aroused my curiosity,
At 9;00 o'clock,I walked out of the church and ,not finding my dog,as I had prayed FOR,CONCLUDED,,God either does not exist or had been unable or unwilling to answer my prayer.
The 9;00 o'clock time frame aroused my curiosity
She provided me with the phone number of the lady who had the dog,I called her and IT was my dog.
Note; These events do not prove God's existence or that he answers prayers.
What I do know is that I prayed for a solution to my problem and a solution was provided.Question is Who provided that solution?
Were all those events that took place,improbable as they may seem.coincidental? What are the probabilities of those events happening by coincidence?
A lady reads the paper,for reasons she can not explain,turns page to Lost Pets,reads 10 or 15 ads about lost pets,determines that description in these ads,including mine , do not match up with what she remembers about the dog
For reasons she could not explain,she selects my ad,calls my number,while not really believing that the dog in the ad and the dog found ,are one and the same.
The lady calls me at9;00 o'clock ,which unbeknownst to her,will provide me with the necessary information,which will lead me to my dog.
That is exactly the same time,when I believed,my prayer had not been answered.
posts 99408 ,99409 and 99411 can be found back about 7 or 8 pages.
No one may be interested in responding to this,But,if you have a constructive comment or question,let me know.
Nonsense and gibberish,I will not respond to

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99700 Apr 14, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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No dice. Christians are about 85% of the country. That persecution nonsense carries no weight with me. You are in control of this country. To put that to the test, imagine two candidates for the Presidency. One is openly atheist and the other is openly Christian. All other things being equal, which candidate do you think will get the nod?
That's a rhetorical question. We all know the answer.
Anyway, facts are facts. You believe in a magic man who sent his son to die so he could pay a debt we owed his father (who is also him). Now we can all live forever. And there was a talking snake too.
I'm sorry that it sounds silly when you say it out loud. But that's the way it is. I can't help what the Bible says. If it quacks like a duck...
More than half of those 85% say they are christian because they want people to see them as good people but than they say how they dont want to hear the preaching from the holy rollers and bible thumpers, calling them jesus freaks. They drink, go to bars, have sex with out being married, look at a little porn and play WOW and COD.
The number of people who go to church with a religious fever and talk about jaysas are very few

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99701 Apr 14, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I will take you suggestion and rephrase and summarize the missing information,for those who may be interested and have questioned it(Yiago,Spektakal, Spektales,Satan Priest among pthers)
These are 2 separate and unrelated events,taking place on the same day,within the same time frame. 8;30 AM and 9;00AM
These 2 separate and unrelated events,will lead ,to my finding my dog
Event 1)I am in a church,praying to a God of whose existence,I am highly skeptical. I am asking this God to prove his existence by helping me find my lost dog.Specifically i am asking that,when I walk out the church door,my dog will be standing outside,if that occurs,I will believe in him.
I look at my watch,it is 9;00 am.
I walk out the door,the dog is not there...I concluded that,prayer was not answered,Either God does not exist or he refused to answer.
Event 2)A lady is sitting at home readind the morning paper.
About 2 weeks prior,her neighbor had found a stray dog,brought it home and her girlfriend adopted it.
After neighbor told her she had found a home for the dog,she never gave that event a second thought.
While she is reading the paper,for some unknown reason,she decided to look at thr Lost pets section of the paper,that section contained a ad I had placed with a description of my dog.
She read the ads,and according to her,based on her recollection of the dog,none of the descriptions in the ads,seemed to fit her recollection of the dog,including the description in my ad.
In spite of that,she decided to call me anyway.
Logically,that does not make sense.
She informed me that she called me at home at about 9;am,and that no one answered the phone ,which is just about the time when I was leaving the church,therefore,No one was home
Up to that time,during our conversation,I was highly skeptical of her explanations,which she could not logically explain.
Those events are explained in the part that was deleted,which I have subseqyently reposted.
When she mentioned 9;00 o'clock,that aroused my curiosity,
At 9;00 o'clock,I walked out of the church and ,not finding my dog,as I had prayed FOR,CONCLUDED,,God either does not exist or had been unable or unwilling to answer my prayer.
The 9;00 o'clock time frame aroused my curiosity
She provided me with the phone number of the lady who had the dog,I called her and IT was my dog.
Note; These events do not prove God's existence or that he answers prayers.
What I do know is that I prayed for a solution to my problem and a solution was provided.Question is Who provided that solution?
Were all those events that took place,improbable as they may seem.coincidental? What are the probabilities of those events happening by coincidence?
A lady reads the paper,for reasons she can not explain,turns page to Lost Pets,reads 10 or 15 ads about lost pets,determines that description in these ads,including mine , do not match up with what she remembers about the dog
For reasons she could not explain,she selects my ad,calls my number,while not really believing that the dog in the ad and the dog found ,are one and the same.
The lady calls me at9;00 o'clock ,which unbeknownst to her,will provide me with the necessary information,which will lead me to my dog.
That is exactly the same time,when I believed,my prayer had not been answered.
posts 99408 ,99409 and 99411 can be found back about 7 or 8 pages.
No one may be interested in responding to this,But,if you have a constructive comment or question,let me know.
Nonsense and gibberish,I will not respond to
If you are saying this is why YOU believe that prayer has power than that is your right.
It does not convince me of anything, but than you know that.
Anne Romney has been praying to be cured of MS..........

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99702 Apr 14, 2013

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#99703 Apr 14, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Haha, so you're saying in order for that miracle to have been valid, he needs to invite friends, family, and the media over to redo it? Haha. That's absurd. Hang on son, let me cut your ear off again so they can see this for themselves.
Not everything is repeatable, and not everything can be tested. Just as macro evolution. There is no way to test that. And the leaps that are assumed in many cases are no more plausible than the eyewitnesses in my story and the bloody clothes and the EMT's showing up minutes later.
How do you know Hebrews were never in Egypt?
I didn't say Hebrews were never in Egypt. Or if I did that isn't what I meant to say, sorry. My point was just that the Exodus didn't happen. Just isn't any evidence for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus#Histo...

All I'm saying is that when we make extraordinary claims about reality we have to provide proportional evidence for them. A man comes up to you and says he was abducted by aliens last night and taken to Alpha Centauri. Do you believe him on the face of it or do you withhold belief until good evidence is given?

Same with your story. From what I can tell you only have second hand accounts. Eyewitness evidence is the worst kind, according to all the literature on that topic. Memory is far more fallible than we like to accept. A claim about miracle healing should be viewed with intense skepticism, regardless of who saw it or who is telling the story.

It would be different if these types of events were well documented. If there was a lot of documentation and literature on the subject providing good evidence for it then you'd be justified in accepting your friends' claims. You would have sufficient reason for trust. But there isn't, and you don't.

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#99704 Apr 14, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I will take you suggestion and rephrase and summarize the missing information,for those who may be interested and have questioned it(Yiago,Spektakal, Spektales,Satan Priest among pthers)
These are 2 separate and unrelated events,taking place on the same day,within the same time frame. 8;30 AM and 9;00AM
These 2 separate and unrelated events,will lead ,to my finding my dog
Event 1)I am in a church,praying to a God of whose existence,I am highly skeptical. I am asking this God to prove his existence by helping me find my lost dog.Specifically i am asking that,when I walk out the church door,my dog will be standing outside,if that occurs,I will believe in him.
I look at my watch,it is 9;00 am.
I walk out the door,the dog is not there...I concluded that,prayer was not answered,Either God does not exist or he refused to answer.
Event 2)A lady is sitting at home readind the morning paper.
About 2 weeks prior,her neighbor had found a stray dog,brought it home and her girlfriend adopted it.
After neighbor told her she had found a home for the dog,she never gave that event a second thought.
While she is reading the paper,for some unknown reason,she decided to look at thr Lost pets section of the paper,that section contained a ad I had placed with a description of my dog.
She read the ads,and according to her,based on her recollection of the dog,none of the descriptions in the ads,seemed to fit her recollection of the dog,including the description in my ad.
In spite of that,she decided to call me anyway.
Logically,that does not make sense.
She informed me that she called me at home at about 9;am,and that no one answered the phone ,which is just about the time when I was leaving the church,therefore,No one was home
Up to that time,during our conversation,I was highly skeptical of her explanations,which she could not logically explain.
Those events are explained in the part that was deleted,which I have subseqyently reposted.
When she mentioned 9;00 o'clock,that aroused my curiosity,
At 9;00 o'clock,I walked out of the church and ,not finding my dog,as I had prayed FOR,CONCLUDED,,God either does not exist or had been unable or unwilling to answer my prayer.
The 9;00 o'clock time frame aroused my curiosity
She provided me with the phone number of the lady who had the dog,I called her and IT was my dog.
Note; These events do not prove God's existence or that he answers prayers.
What I do know is that I prayed for a solution to my problem and a solution was provided.Question is Who provided that solution?
Were all those events that took place,improbable as they may seem.coincidental? What are the probabilities of those events happening by coincidence?...(trimmed)
1) This happened in the morning. People read their papers in the morning. She sees a classified about a missing dog, she knows someone who found a dog. Maybe didn't sound like the right one, but not that illogical. I don't understand why you think that is weird. The date is within a two week period, right? From the time she heard about her friend finding a dog. So that's a 1/14 chance that it would be this day. Not bad odds.

2) You are phrasing this in a way that assumes prayers are answered. But you already said this does not prove it. What happened was you lost your dog, it upset you, and a few weeks later you got it back. The series of events you describe are simply not that crazy. Nothing in your story is that weird or improbable.

Once when my wife and I were young we lost a small pet. It was gone for one month, in the city where we lived. One night we're leaving at dark to go someplace and my wife says she sure misses Fluffy. We hear a crinkling sound. In the yard is an empty chip bag. In it...Fluffy. Alive and well.

What are the odds? And I didn't even have to pray.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#99706 Apr 14, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>If you cannot explain it, then I walk away with what I feel it says.
Mike,I found this interpretation,by a former Atheist,that I found to be rather interesting He makes some observations,regarding the meaning of a Fool,that I found very interestig. Made some other good points,that would have never occurred to me
I would have interpreted some verses differently and his gives what I feel is a better interpretation.....See what you think
Will have to use 2 posts,because of restrictions

by Matt Wallace

I have been an open, avowed atheist since soon after my thirteenth birthday in 1974. Quite frequently, Christians have responded to my profession of atheism with an immediate citation of Psalm 14:1:“The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God”(KJV). They deployed this verse to imply that I was some sort of idiot, thus any argument I might offer against the existence of God was obviously without merit. Worse was the arrogant “God said it, I believe it, that settles it” attitude exuded by these Christians. From my conversations with other atheists over the years, this experience is nearly universal, at least for American atheists, especially those living in the Bible Belt. The problem is that nothing in the rest of the psalm clearly deals with atheism. Does Psalm 14 repudiate atheists or does it serve another purpose?

Understanding the true purpose of the psalm requires first getting past the prejudicial language of the first verse. A footnote for Psalm 14 in the New International Version (NIV) notes that “[t]he Hebrew words rendered fool in Psalms denote one who is morally deficient.” A “fool” is a wicked or evil person, not a mentally deficient person. Additionally,“heart” is used as a symbol for a person’s innermost self or moral core, so “saying something in the heart” is a metaphor for moral agency. Finally, in the quote “There is no God,”“God” personifies righteousness, so the quote is a metaphor for a lack of righteousness, not a metaphysical statement on the existence of God. Paraphrasing the first sentence yields,“The evil man lives as though righteousness does not exist.” This rendering conforms to the rest of the psalm.

The psalmist, identified as David, begins Psalm 14 with an acknowledgement that evil men exist and that they lead unrighteous lives. Such people are wicked and their actions are immoral; none of them does what is right. The negative tone of the verse and the intensity of its delivery clearly indicate that unrighteousness is not the ideal condition.

In the second verse, God in Heaven looks down upon humanity seeking the righteous, those who are wise and seek Him. The psalmist uses this anthropomorphism to demonstrate the importance of righteousness to God, thus stressing it as an ideal to be striven for by men.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#99707 Apr 14, 2013
In the third verse, God finds that all men have turned away from Him. Without exception, they are wicked and none of them does what is right. The psalmist suggests that righteousness is to be found only with God.

In the fourth verse, the psalmist asks a rhetorical question which partially identifies his “evildoers” with a striking simile/metaphor compound:“those who devour my people as men eat bread and who do not call on the LORD.” They are those who derive their sustenance, their livelihoods, by abusing the righteous while deliberately living unrighteously.

In the fifth verse, the unrighteous are pointed out as they cower in fear before God as He stands with the righteous. With this second anthropomorphism, the psalmist suggests both the inherent weakness of worldly power versus Godly power and the inferiority of unrighteousness as compared to righteousness.

In the sixth verse, the “evildoers” are addressed directly and condemned for frustrating “the plans of the poor” for whom “the LORD is their refuge.” The “poor” symbolize the abused righteous. Their “plans” are a metonymy for their desire to live righteously. The “evildoers” ultimately fail as the “poor” have a metaphorical refuge in God. The psalmist suggests that the righteous are protected from evil by their righteousness, by their faith in their God.

In the seventh and final verse, a plea for deliverance from oppression is made:“Oh, that salvation for Israel would come out of Zion!” Also, a promise of rescue is given:“When the LORD restores the fortunes of his people, let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad!” Israel is used emblematically for the Jewish people. Zion is used similarly for the idealized Jewish state which stands righteous before God. Accordingly, the psalmist suggests that the Jews, even while in bondage, can liberate themselves by being faithful to their God. Ultimately, God will reward their faithfulness. Freedom from oppression, by both the wicked and wickedness itself, is achieved by living righteously. Freedom is the ultimate reward of righteousness.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#99708 Apr 14, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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1) This happened in the morning. People read their papers in the morning. She sees a classified about a missing dog, she knows someone who found a dog. Maybe didn't sound like the right one, but not that illogical. I don't understand why you think that is weird. The date is within a two week period, right? From the time she heard about her friend finding a dog. So that's a 1/14 chance that it would be this day. Not bad odds.
2) You are phrasing this in a way that assumes prayers are answered. But you already said this does not prove it. What happened was you lost your dog, it upset you, and a few weeks later you got it back. The series of events you describe are simply not that crazy. Nothing in your story is that weird or improbable.
Once when my wife and I were young we lost a small pet. It was gone for one month, in the city where we lived. One night we're leaving at dark to go someplace and my wife says she sure misses Fluffy. We hear a crinkling sound. In the yard is an empty chip bag. In it...Fluffy. Alive and well.
What are the odds? And I didn't even have to pray.
You are not stating the facts as I posted them.You failed to address any of the specifics that I posted.
Thereby your analysis is invalid

you wrote,I fail to comprehend It's meaning
"The date is within a two week period, right? From the time she heard about her friend finding a dog. So that's a 1/14 chance that it would be this day. Not bad odds."
What date are you alluding to?

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#99709 Apr 14, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you take it on blind faith that leaving the writing to various men with vague and sometimes contradictory word is what Jesus wanted? I see this as discarding any critical thinking.
You see, we atheists use critical thinking to determine likelyhoods of truth. We do not use blind faith to rule us as you seem to do.
I am simply pointing out one of the reasons, many atheists and I do not believe Jesus was a deity.
I am simply pointing out that the bible leaves many into conflict and confusion due to poor detail.
Note my statements on the passage about non believers being claimed as fools and doing no good.
No I do not practice blind faith. My faith is tested frequently. Luckily I can pray about things that I do not understand and I usually get an answer. I don't live in confusion. Quite the opposite actually. I feel totally at peace in my beliefs.

Since: Aug 10

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#99710 Apr 14, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Well leading by example is a good way to teach. To bad the god of the old testament did not know of this.
Problem is, if Jesus example clearly was not enough for most who believe he was a deity. Note how many Christians are pro war and pro death penalty. Look how many judge harshly and throw the first stone.
I do not see your excuses making one single difference in why the Jesus did not write anything down. So what if some then did not believe? What does that have to do with anything?
Why are you asking me what I would have Jesus do differently when I am telling you over and over again? He should have wrote down what he wanted us to do. That is what I think he should have done differently. He should have written it in multliple languages as to avoid translation confusion. He should have written it in a way that is clear and concise as to avoid so many various interpretations.
These would have made a world of difference. It would likely have prevented so many wars and atrocities committed due to interpretations of what Christians believe Jesus wished for.
He could have mentioned there would be a living prophet as you claim, if this is really even true. There are strong reasons so many are not Mormon.
He did tell us that there would be a restoration. And Isaiah even talked about the restoration.
Holding fast to tradition is why most are not Mormon. If they listened to their own founders they would know their church is not the actual church that Christ set up. They did the best they could with what they had.

Again, I don't see when Jesus would have written all this down. His actual ministry did not last long at all. And if He would have written it all down before gathering His disciples, no one would have cared what He wrote because no one knew Him. And He couldn't have written it once He began to preach and perform miracles because in every place He offended someone because He called them out in their sins, so He kept moving. He had to fulfill every prophesy made about Him as well. Again, no time and that's what the apostles were supposed to do: teach His word.
Even if He had written everything down, you still wouldn't believe it.

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#99711 Apr 14, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Well you just publicised it against their wishes.
You really cannot even know what reason they made the claim. They might not be telling a lie. They might just be mistaken of how deep the cut was. Their are various possibilities of the story being told wrong. You just assume the story is perfect as happened. Sorry, but I call that gullible.
So you witnessed after the fact? Then you really were not a witness to how deep the cut was at all.
Again, you put one hundred percent trust in the words of men. Sorry, but I do not do this, expecially when the claim is the large and out of reason.
If your friends told you they were abducted by aliens, would you take their word?
You aren't going to be able to witness everything for yourself. You haven't seen one single specie evolve, but yet you believe in macro evolution. You are trusting the words of men and the claim that species began live birth from eggs is large and out of reason as well and you have no evidence, but you believe it.
I'm much closer to this situation than you are to the scientists proposing these things. This was no cut. His father had to turn the dangling ear nearly 180 degrees. It was only attached at the back near the lobe. I suppose if he would have stopped to take a picture you'd still claim it a fake and him a liar.

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#99712 Apr 14, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>"God could make..." Yes, such a hypothetical entity could make poodles poop popsicles, too - but at least we would find the sticks in our yards.
There are many who believe the Bible is inerrant - regardless of the overwhelming evidences to the contrary.
As has been hashed and rehashed, the Bible states that all the Earth under the entire heavens was flooded covering the mountains. 4500 years ago the regular trading routes extended across parts of 3 continents.
The most recent identifiable genetic bottleneck coincides with the Toba event - 50,000 years ago, not a Noahic event within 5,000 years ago.
How do we know 4500 years is correct? I never said this.
And the Toba hypothesis doesn't seem overly supported to me. Nor does it look like there is even a small consensus on a bottleneck. How do they know how many people existed back then anyway?

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#99713 Apr 14, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>"Noah bottleneck"? What year was the claimed flood and is their a DNA bottleneck that coincides? I have not heard of any.

So you claim the words of the bible were "inspired". So just what does that mean?

If the bible has some human error, how can one know what is error and what is not? So many Christians cling to every word as if it is perfect.
The bottleneck part was not my words. It was me asking for clarification.

I believe the Bible to be close to perfect but not inerrant. There are too many books missing and too many hands that touched the translations from ancient prophets' mouths to my ears. But I believe it to be close enough to base a belief system around. Again, there is a need for a modern prophet to clarify the things that have been lost, or lost in translation, as well as bridge the cultural gap between ancient times and now.
what

Pikeville, KY

#99714 Apr 14, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
You aren't going to be able to witness everything for yourself. You haven't seen one single specie evolve, but yet you believe in macro evolution. You are trusting the words of men and the claim that species began live birth from eggs is large and out of reason as well and you have no evidence, but you believe it.
I'm much closer to this situation than you are to the scientists proposing these things. This was no cut. His father had to turn the dangling ear nearly 180 degrees. It was only attached at the back near the lobe. I suppose if he would have stopped to take a picture you'd still claim it a fake and him a liar.
its just funny that all the miracle stories never have any proof other than one or two ppl that saw it. never any hard evidence. and if the father was one of the higher up guys in the church he had many reasons to lie about it all. for one it helps to give him credibility that god looks over him and answers his prayers so therefore he must be part of the true religion. there are reasons u cant convict ppl in court just on hearsay. it takes real evidence in the real world and thats what some ppl expect from miracles and gods as well. we dont just give in to the god is good thing so its true.

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#99715 Apr 14, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>If god could have flooded the whole earth, then why would it have been unreasonable for him to produce a book written in his own hand in all languages?
It isn't, as I said, I don't know why this doesn't exist for you. Other than maybe because of this scripture:
Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Even if you witnesses something from God that man is not capable of, you would still question it. So what if God the Father had penned a book thousands of years ago. Would you then believe?

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#99716 Apr 14, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>A god can flood the earth but cannot write a few books? Come on, if Jesus was any sort of deity, he could knock out these books in days or at least a few weeks. He lived thirty three years. Again, I see no good excuses as of yet.
Who required this of Him? This was not the work His Father assigned Him.

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#99717 Apr 14, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Well we would know if it was at least from a single person. As it is now, we do not know the actual number of people who wrote what books of the bible.

Of course there was no knowledge of DNA in that day, so it was pretty easy to make claim Joseph was not the father.
I think it was pretty easy to make up stories back in those days, as it was hard to prove them false. But for some reason Christians think all those claims were perfectly honest and could not have been exaggerated.
True, like evolution from eggs to live birth. It's easy to say something happened when there's no way to prove whether it did or not.
me ofcourse

Ashland, KY

#99718 Apr 14, 2013
well heres a list of some religions if one is taken into a public school shouldnt all of them be i mean really this is silly right can u imagin a school teaching from the bible when you have so many others that may have a different beliefe and is forced to belive your way pray if you want but damn people give it up i for one think if the bible is tought in school every bible and religion should be school would never end people wouldnt see there kids its stupid
Wicca
Satanism
Islam.
Judaism.
Hinduism.
Buddhism
Sikhism.
Confucianism
Taoism.
Shintoism
Zoroastrianism
Manicheeism
Catharism
Jainism

The Ancient Egyptian religion.
The Ancient Canaanite religion
The Ancient Celtic religion.
The Ancient Greek religion
The Norse religion.
The Aztec religion
Neo-Paganism

Animism

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