trader

Waterloo, IL

#27 Mar 11, 2011
ritzel

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#28 Mar 11, 2011
Lawn guy wrote:
The reason those people have the big zero turns, trucks, trailers and all the equipment is because they are good at what they do, know the industry and operate at a profit to afford said equipment to keep up with demand because they are busy.
Lowballers operate at a min profit or a lose do that for a while until they realize it is not worth it then quit leaving their customers to find other means and drive down the price for those that do it for a living.
Certainly not saying don't try to go out and try to make $$$ just saying why do all the work and lose money! Know your industry, make sure you are insured and operate legal and you will be much happier.
. You're talking to a kid trying to make summer money, not a grown man with a mortgage, children, 3 car payments and a business loan. A big part of the reason there are so many successful lawn care busninesses around is because he's a dying breed; a kid who's willing to work and realises mcd's isn't the answer. Your advice is good long term advice for someone going into business and staying there, but as a kid whackin grass, he's fine for the summer.
Lawn guy

Chicago, IL

#29 Mar 11, 2011
No.....just talking about lowballers in general!

Only comment I made to the 17 year old is know the industry some. Why do the same work for less money and make sure you are insured that applies to anyone no matter what age or intentions in the business.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#30 Mar 11, 2011
Agreeable enough, if he's doing good, conscientious work he should be charging close to what the pros get. Close.
Lawn guy

Chicago, IL

#31 Mar 11, 2011
Exactly!
bigfordboy

Waterloo, IL

#32 Mar 31, 2011
word wrote:
<quoted text>I am intrested. I live in columbia and have a quarter acre of cuttable turf. What would you charge?
First of all, im not trying to cheat anyone out or lowball. Im just a kid who needs extra cash. sorry if that offends you? Id have to look at the lawn, because there are some places the zero turn cant get in and out of. I need to see how much weedeating needs to be done, how far of a drive, how accessable with my trailer and etc. E-mail me at [email protected] and we can set up a time for me to come look at it.
bigfordboy

Waterloo, IL

#33 Mar 31, 2011
Lawn guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Kinda my point....lowballing does no good for anyone, you, me, the next guy. No doubt you do a good job...you are working.... you are supposed to! but let me ask you this if we are in the same subdivision and I get $35 to mow a lawn and ten other on that street why would you want to do the same work for $20 when the going rate is $35? So for every lawn you do you lose $15. Let's say you now go lowball me on my accounts....great now you have $200 worth of work but what you don't understand is that you are losing $150 to make that $200. Pretty sure $150 is a good amount of money for a 17 year old.
Now take that $200 and take out gas for the truck, mowers, trimmers and the oil. Take out the cost of the equipment and most important take out your cost for minimum $1M worth of insurance and truck insurance and so on and that $200 can get used up pretty quick.
Yes you can get buy with no insurance BUT what happens, and it will happen, when you hit a rock, dog lease or Fido's chew toy and you throw it through a window? Hit the neighbors car? Or even worse the neighbor kid playing in the yard? Now you, your parents and the home owner are all responsible and that is not good.
Do yourself and everyone else a favor and know your industry, do good work and make the money you should be making for doing the same work. Make sure you are insured as well before you start!
Thanks for the advise, but even i, a 17 year old know that business is always about being cheaper than everyone else, especially in this economy. However, you need to cover your costs and pay your employees, but the most successful businesses are the ones that make the least profit per job! because slowly, more people realize that they can get the same work cheaper, more customers therefor more money for the business!
Mertz Lawn Care

United States

#34 Apr 17, 2011
need help wrote:
Can anyone recommend a reliable lawn care service? Needed for weekly mowing, blowing and trimming. Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks
If you happen to still be looking for a reliable and affordable lawn care company shoot me a email and i can get right back to you and discuss estaments.

Thank you mike
Mertz Lawn Care

United States

#35 Apr 17, 2011
[email protected]

thanks agian
columbian

Waterloo, IL

#36 Apr 17, 2011
BigFordBoy wrote:
Im a 17 year old kid with a truck trailer zero turn weedeater blower and a buddy we mow 4 lawns in the summer now and were looking for a few more to do. We'll do a good job just let me know if your looking for someone well do it for alot cheaper than lawn care companys
I have 6 houses in monroe county. all yards range from .75-3 acres of grass. would you be interested. Tired of the so called 'professionals' trying to get me on a costly monthly plan.
jed

Waterloo, IL

#37 Apr 17, 2011
Lawn guy wrote:
No.....just talking about lowballers in general!
Only comment I made to the 17 year old is know the industry some. Why do the same work for less money and make sure you are insured that applies to anyone no matter what age or intentions in the business.
It's called a 'free-market' or 'capitalism'. lets be honest, any fool can cut grass. Stop taking jobs away from kids and trying to get rich on it. Take a soil sample once in a while and apply fertilizer as needed. Apply some 2-4d amine (drift control) to kill weeds when necessary.
Lawncare

Smithton, IL

#38 Apr 17, 2011
Paul Mudd, great honest person. In the phone book
Whatever

Chicago, IL

#39 Apr 18, 2011
jed wrote:
<quoted text>
It's called a 'free-market' or 'capitalism'. lets be honest, any fool can cut grass. Stop taking jobs away from kids and trying to get rich on it. Take a soil sample once in a while and apply fertilizer as needed. Apply some 2-4d amine (drift control) to kill weeds when necessary.
That is the dumbest thing I have read on here. What a tool!
why

Waterloo, IL

#40 Apr 18, 2011
Whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
That is the dumbest thing I have read on here. What a tool!
what's the matter lawnman. Did all your simple secrets just get revealed. Youre the tool!
Yard Nazi

Waterloo, IL

#41 Apr 18, 2011
I will cut your grass for free one time. Then i will trim your bush. Will not work in yards with dog poop. free estimates , prefer to work at daybreak on week ends only, call me now.
1-800 lin a ritz root.
Whatever

Chicago, IL

#42 Apr 19, 2011
"why" you absolutely have no idea what you are talking about. You hang out at Rural King too much reading labels. Can you read a soil sample? You def don't just "fert" as needed. What "fert" do you use and why? What if you fert too much which is way too common? 2-4d controls only select weeds and is usaually just a AI in other products so what do you do for all the other weeds?

Certainly you are not saying that everyone can have a great lawn if they follow your steps right? Who takes care of the lawns for those that can't? Who takes care of the commercial accounts? School kids? Who takes care of them in the spring and fall when the school kids are in school? Are you suggesting these school kids take care of the lawn applications as well? That would be illegal if so.

Again no "secrets" are revealed all you have to do is just ask! And as far as anyone can mow, pretty sure the 17yr old will agree that all you have to do is drive around and see that 90% don't have a clue how to mow a lawn. More than just knocking down some grass.....but you knew that right?
why

Waterloo, IL

#43 Apr 20, 2011
Whatever wrote:
"why" you absolutely have no idea what you are talking about. You hang out at Rural King too much reading labels. Can you read a soil sample? You def don't just "fert" as needed. What "fert" do you use and why? What if you fert too much which is way too common? 2-4d controls only select weeds and is usaually just a AI in other products so what do you do for all the other weeds?
Certainly you are not saying that everyone can have a great lawn if they follow your steps right? Who takes care of the lawns for those that can't? Who takes care of the commercial accounts? School kids? Who takes care of them in the spring and fall when the school kids are in school? Are you suggesting these school kids take care of the lawn applications as well? That would be illegal if so.
Again no "secrets" are revealed all you have to do is just ask! And as far as anyone can mow, pretty sure the 17yr old will agree that all you have to do is drive around and see that 90% don't have a clue how to mow a lawn. More than just knocking down some grass.....but you knew that right?
Youre an idiot. I probably use more spray and different varieties of spray, herbicides and pesticides in one year than you ever have. That's why you take soil samples, so you know what to apply. READ what I posted! I'll bet in your world there are 4 basic fertilizers - potash, phosphorus, lime and nitrate. Probably have no idea what the difference is between 'actual' and 'available' fertilizer and how to control them. I wont even go into sulfur, mag., or salt content with you.

2-4D is a broadleaf killer. Kill about anything but a grass. It can be mixed with about anything. By the way tool, I don't buy it "premixed" I mix it as needed. I have to laugh when a lawn guy thinks he's fertilizer/herbicide expert. I had a true green guy try to tell me once how to and what to use, he was a trained idiot. Furthermore, you rape your customers on the prices you charge for the sprays and fertilizer. Any fool can get a chemical/applicator license. It had to become a law for two reasons, too many idiots using/mixing not having a clue and MONEY. Question, is the 2-4D amine or esther you spray in your yards? What is the difference? Get on google and find out! What can I use to control barnyard grass in my lawn without killing the fescue???
Whatever

Waterloo, IL

#44 Apr 20, 2011
Your the greatest, you know it all, you are never wrong.....people like you are not worth the time is what I have learned

No EVERY lawn is different and I take samples on almost every property so the correct process is in place. And yes you are very correct with the use of google it is a great tool for help as are those that have more experience. You should always ask questions when you are unsure. Those that just rattle off product names and stay inside the box and act as if they know all are fools!

Confused on why you say I "rape" MY customers? You don't know me, my company, my customers, my prices or how I manage my properties. Actually not sure why you piped up in the first place on this thread with your big attitude anyway???

As far as your barngrass why don't you just pull it out it has a very short root base and usually shows up in small patches. My first question would be why if you know so much about proper lawn maintenance why do you have the barngrass in the first place? If your lawn is thick and healthy you should be able to choke out your weed problem. Prevention should be your focus. Possibly a different Pre-Emergent applied at the right time, overseed your lawn at the proper rate and maybe a different fert program along with proper cutting techniques might solve your problem. Would be glad to help you get there if you need it!
why

United States

#45 Apr 23, 2011
Whatever wrote:
Your the greatest, you know it all, you are never wrong.....people like you are not worth the time is what I have learned
No EVERY lawn is different and I take samples on almost every property so the correct process is in place. And yes you are very correct with the use of google it is a great tool for help as are those that have more experience. You should always ask questions when you are unsure. Those that just rattle off product names and stay inside the box and act as if they know all are fools!
Confused on why you say I "rape" MY customers? You don't know me, my company, my customers, my prices or how I manage my properties. Actually not sure why you piped up in the first place on this thread with your big attitude anyway???
As far as your barngrass why don't you just pull it out it has a very short root base and usually shows up in small patches. My first question would be why if you know so much about proper lawn maintenance why do you have the barngrass in the first place? If your lawn is thick and healthy you should be able to choke out your weed problem. Prevention should be your focus. Possibly a different Pre-Emergent applied at the right time, overseed your lawn at the proper rate and maybe a different fert program along with proper cutting techniques might solve your problem. Would be glad to help you get there if you need it!
My yard looks great. No barnyard grass. The answer to the barnyard question would be a product like Bicep. 2 4D, amine is drift control, esther (agricultural)is not drift control. you wouldnt have to overseed all the time if you werent losing your grass in the first place. choking out weeds is a way to control them when you dont know what else to do. keep weeds under control and you wouldnt always have to overseed in the fall. apply the knowledge i just gave you and watch the dividends roll in...lol. Seriously, good luck!
Lawn-Butler Premier Lawn

Columbia, IL

#46 Aug 9, 2011
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