Social Security in not an Entitlement!!

Social Security in not an Entitlement!!

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Question 4 U

Columbia, IL

#1 Nov 7, 2012
Why does the media, and the government classify Social Security as an entitlement? They don't give me a choice if I want my money taken out for Social Security they just take it, no questions asked. Entitlements are Welfare recipients, medicaid, Snap, recipients they just get free money. I am paying into this program unwillingly and they want to reform social security??
Question 4 U

Columbia, IL

#2 Nov 7, 2012
Question 4 U wrote:
Why does the media, and the government classify Social Security as an entitlement? They don't give me a choice if I want my money taken out for Social Security they just take it, no questions asked. Entitlements are Welfare recipients, medicaid, Snap, recipients they just get free money. I am paying into this program unwillingly and they want to reform social security??
Same as medicare, you paid for it. Medicaid is free. They go after the programs that the hardworkers have paid into.
Okkkkk

Millstadt, IL

#3 Nov 11, 2012
MedicAID and Social Security benefits include non working welfare mothers (SSI) who receive monies for sitting at home and having kids. It also includes all the disability people who are depressed, have chronic fatigue disorders, a hand that didn't heal right from an injury and now they can make more sitting at home than working and being an actual productive member of society. One thing the Clinton qdministration did was to work on welfare eeform (didnt address disabilities/requalifications) but the Obama administration relaxed those rules. Hmmmmm. The baby boomers are aging and collecting. Most of them have been productive and worked, a larger percentage than people today and our lazy liberal youth who feel entitled to American jobs that no longer exist largely due to the HUGE imbalance in trade with countries like China, Mexico,etc. in short, our liabilities are greater than our assets/income. Aren't you so glad you voted for Obama?
An idea

Millstadt, IL

#4 Nov 11, 2012
Maybe he can work with our rep, Jesse Jackson, Jr to get a balanced budget! Oh wait, we may have to wait until he is no longer depressed...since....June? Great representation from the Dems in our state! Wonder if he qualifies for disability?
sniffen gold guns gardens

Waterloo, IL

#5 Nov 12, 2012
none are taxed. the system will fail, just when? right now the voters say gimme is good. be prepared. whose motto is that. lotta boomers going to be starven, when the free money runs out.
fiat money printing leads to chaos.
boom

Millstadt, IL

#6 Nov 12, 2012
here's what i know about social security being an entitlement ...

i have this uncle who has worked all his life. he's very smart and worked as an engineer and made lots of money. his wife, my aunt, has never worked, not one day in her whole life. they had 3 kids and she stayed home with them. he's been retied for several years, but just recently hit the age where he can draw social security. he doesn't need it, but he put into it all his life so he decided to receive the money (which is the largest ss check i've ever seen, since he earned so much). and guess what? my aunt, who never worked, get's a check, too! yup, she gets 1/2 of the money he does. why? you tell me.

i can totally understand that you should get something back from a program you put money into, but isn't that entitlement? i am entitled to that money back, no matter how little i need or want it? and how is it justified that somebody who has never paid in should get a check?

i think the problems with social security aren't just with those wretched poor people moochinng the system. people abusing the welfare systems has never been the problem.
Huh

Millstadt, IL

#7 Nov 12, 2012
Re-read your last paragraph boomer because you just contradicted yourself. And I agree, if a couple chose for the spouse to stay at home, not work and contribute to the system, then they should have made plans (savings, pension, 401k, investments) to take them into retirement and alter their lifestyle if they can't afford it. Many people have to do is everyday with job loss, etc., so why should they be any different based on choices they have made. If a spouse dies, the non working spouse can claim on the one who worked so it isn't like they would've missed out on an income entirely.

The thing that burns me is that I nor my spouse stay home, we are responsible and are fortunate enough to save money, have paid off cars (older but we made the conscious decision to repair rather than assume debt), contribute OUR money to a 401k plan because we sadly are not going to count on pensions. Now along the way, we are helping our young adult children and also aging parents. We are one of those who are supporting multiple generations. Do you think that social security that we have paid in will be available to us? In all honesty, I would like a refund because personally I can manage it and my family and maybe have something more that I can control and count on. Right now, to allow more room for those who are not entitled to my money, this and any administration wants to increase our age before we can apply and if I've been responsible, reduce the amount I can receive based on my years of saving and the amount of assets I have. Again, redistribution of "wealth" at is finest or socialism. Or obamanation as one person put it. I say it should be put to a vote. However, the largest classes and races who will vote will continue to push and accept my handouts.
boom

Millstadt, IL

#8 Nov 12, 2012
there are problems with the system, but i don't think that's obama's fault. the system has been a dead stick for a long time.
Question 4 U

Columbia, IL

#9 Nov 12, 2012
Huh wrote:
Re-read your last paragraph boomer because you just contradicted yourself. And I agree, if a couple chose for the spouse to stay at home, not work and contribute to the system, then they should have made plans (savings, pension, 401k, investments) to take them into retirement and alter their lifestyle if they can't afford it. Many people have to do is everyday with job loss, etc., so why should they be any different based on choices they have made. If a spouse dies, the non working spouse can claim on the one who worked so it isn't like they would've missed out on an income entirely.
The thing that burns me is that I nor my spouse stay home, we are responsible and are fortunate enough to save money, have paid off cars (older but we made the conscious decision to repair rather than assume debt), contribute OUR money to a 401k plan because we sadly are not going to count on pensions. Now along the way, we are helping our young adult children and also aging parents. We are one of those who are supporting multiple generations. Do you think that social security that we have paid in will be available to us? In all honesty, I would like a refund because personally I can manage it and my family and maybe have something more that I can control and count on. Right now, to allow more room for those who are not entitled to my money, this and any administration wants to increase our age before we can apply and if I've been responsible, reduce the amount I can receive based on my years of saving and the amount of assets I have. Again, redistribution of "wealth" at is finest or socialism. Or obamanation as one person put it. I say it should be put to a vote. However, the largest classes and races who will vote will continue to push and accept my handouts.
So true, I want a refund, all the money that we have paid in given back. I will then save it myself and I won't mismanage the way the governemnt has. Now if they give it back to the rightful owners and they blow it, well sorry you can't be on assistance either.. They are going to try and rob us blind, and I am not going to stand for it!
Huh

Millstadt, IL

#10 Nov 12, 2012
Obama and his and his party's mindless spending (fiscal cliff) without sensible government restraint/cutbacks are a HUGE part of the problem. Do you not quite grasp that? Yeah, must not since you obviously re-elected him.

Lets not also forget about our annual United Way donations (whole other story) and all the people who work and generously give to support these programs, volunteer large amounts of time and countless other organizations who ON TOP of these "entitlement" programs provide TAX FREE many items including food, shelter, goods, services that again, you and I pay for and my adult children, who make "to much" but not enough to live, but still want more. More of my taxed money as an incentive for them to not work and/or look for a job. Well, I ,shouldn't feel entitled too? I guess not since it's my money and now I'm most likely going to be told that I have to wait until I'm 70 to receive full benefits. But oh yea, I won't get to actually VOTE on it. The "best" scenario is for me and my family to give up, go to the food bank, have the government pay for my housing and maximize my Social Security by living recklessly and spending everything I have worked hard to save, why shouldn't I get some time off and enjoy life too? Isn't this the ME attitude and not the WE of today? We are already way down the slippery slope wih one foot off the fiscal cliff at the bottom and the other one banana peel. Wake up.
Huh

Millstadt, IL

#11 Nov 12, 2012
One ore thing, when I leave my job at whatever age, I have to buy healthcare and when I retire (early or not) I have to buy healthcare and/or supplement at an additional cost unless I qualify for Medicaid (important part of word is AID). Why do our elected officials who may serve for only one term them get it for the rest of their life at my expense? And I never vote for raises for them. Don't recall that on the ballot. Shouldnt that be similar to any employees job performance and directely tied to including CEOs? you're so right in another topic, I'm so glad the Dems have majority and help push reform. What I am saying is if we are talking about true reform, then freaking reform by God. I am so sick of paying for everyone else. Put your big girl/boy panties on, suck it up, go to work, take care of your family and stay out of my pocketbook.
Huh

Millstadt, IL

#12 Nov 12, 2012
And so sorry Questions For U, but you will stand, sit and or kneel for it unless you lie or don't pay taxes then you go to jail, which we who are still working pay for, and when you get out have an even more difficult time finding a job and will likely end up in many of the programs just mentioned.. it's law and we vote for representation. sadly, we are getting exactly what the majority asked for. It should be a law not only to be a citizen to vote but to also prove paying taxes each year. Oops, that might be not PC and appear To be a bit discriminatory. After all, isn't that the majority who elected our current president? In any other world it would be a conflict of interest or unethical to receive payouts without contributing and be able to influence decision making for the whole. But that's politics! It's just lobbying on a much much grander scale and playing to the PC-ness of people. Well, I don't feel bad and would like to choose the programs my money is spent on.
Question 4 U

Columbia, IL

#13 Nov 12, 2012
Huh wrote:
And so sorry Questions For U, but you will stand, sit and or kneel for it unless you lie or don't pay taxes then you go to jail, which we who are still working pay for, and when you get out have an even more difficult time finding a job and will likely end up in many of the programs just mentioned.. it's law and we vote for representation. sadly, we are getting exactly what the majority asked for. It should be a law not only to be a citizen to vote but to also prove paying taxes each year. Oops, that might be not PC and appear To be a bit discriminatory. After all, isn't that the majority who elected our current president? In any other world it would be a conflict of interest or unethical to receive payouts without contributing and be able to influence decision making for the whole. But that's politics! It's just lobbying on a much much grander scale and playing to the PC-ness of people. Well, I don't feel bad and would like to choose the programs my money is spent on.
I totally agree with you and your take. The government penalizes people for working hard and saving their money. How do get enough attention to say NO we are not going to take it? I didn't vote for Obama and I know his plan of redistrubution of wealth. Who ever yells the loudest gets what they want, well I think the hardworking 45% of the taxpaying people not living on entitlements need to ban together and finally have a voice.
Huh

Millstadt, IL

#14 Nov 12, 2012
The complete irony of this thread is the ads at the top... How to apply for disability/SSI not to mention the daytime TV commercials for lawyers who can help people get on disability. It's a big, lazy, brokenness business with little incentive to work but individual pride, personal and social responsibility and well, maybe because it's simply the right thing to do. Seems many have forgotten or just never learned that. Our representatives responsibility to to create opportunity and growth in this country and is the incentive to work but instead provide assistance and handouts to various groups (why can't my child get free education unlike many illegal immigrants or foreign students here on a student visa?) by not providing incentives to export our raw materials to other countries and import it as junk. Our technology and resources that include people are being squandered and creating a government dependent society. No thank you but at this point we've already hit the iceberg and are taking on water. But. That's who we have some jubilantly elected... Yeah! More of ME Me me me me me me.
Xxxx

Waterloo, IL

#15 Nov 12, 2012
An idea wrote:
Maybe he can work with our rep, Jesse Jackson, Jr to get a balanced budget! Oh wait, we may have to wait until he is no longer depressed...since....June? Great representation from the Dems in our state! Wonder if he qualifies for disability?
Jesse Jr. Is not our Representative. He represents an area around Chicago. Oh, and its always a knee slapper to make fun of those with a mental illness. Especially if they are Democrats, right?
Xxxx

Waterloo, IL

#16 Nov 12, 2012
Okkkkk wrote:
MedicAID and Social Security benefits include non working welfare mothers (SSI) who receive monies for sitting at home and having kids. It also includes all the disability people who are depressed, have chronic fatigue disorders, a hand that didn't heal right from an injury and now they can make more sitting at home than working and being an actual productive member of society. One thing the Clinton qdministration did was to work on welfare eeform (didnt address disabilities/requalifications) but the Obama administration relaxed those rules. Hmmmmm. The baby boomers are aging and collecting. Most of them have been productive and worked, a larger percentage than people today and our lazy liberal youth who feel entitled to American jobs that no longer exist largely due to the HUGE imbalance in trade with countries like China, Mexico,etc. in short, our liabilities are greater than our assets/income. Aren't you so glad you voted for Obama?
I am glad I voted for Obama. If people like you had their way, all the groups of people you mentioned would be homeless. You have to qualify for disability. You cant just say my hand hurts and I cant work anymore. Do some people scam the system? Of course. They should be dealt with on an individual basis. We should not eliminate these programs just because of a few bad apples.
Xxxx

Waterloo, IL

#17 Nov 12, 2012
Huh wrote:
Obama and his and his party's mindless spending (fiscal cliff) without sensible government restraint/cutbacks are a HUGE part of the problem. Do you not quite grasp that? Yeah, must not since you obviously re-elected him.

Lets not also forget about our annual United Way donations (whole other story) and all the people who work and generously give to support these programs, volunteer large amounts of time and countless other organizations who ON TOP of these "entitlement" programs provide TAX FREE many items including food, shelter, goods, services that again, you and I pay for and my adult children, who make "to much" but not enough to live, but still want more. More of my taxed money as an incentive for them to not work and/or look for a job. Well, I ,shouldn't feel entitled too? I guess not since it's my money and now I'm most likely going to be told that I have to wait until I'm 70 to receive full benefits. But oh yea, I won't get to actually VOTE on it. The "best" scenario is for me and my family to give up, go to the food bank, have the government pay for my housing and maximize my Social Security by living recklessly and spending everything I have worked hard to save, why shouldn't I get some time off and enjoy life too? Isn't this the ME attitude and not the WE of today? We are already way down the slippery slope wih one foot off the fiscal cliff at the bottom and the other one banana peel. Wake up.
What was mindless about Obamas spending? Saving the auto industry and millions of jobs? Trying to stimulate the economy with those shovel ready jobs? Even Paul Ryan was begging for that stimulus money. Why? Because it created jobs. You want gov. restraints/cutbacks. Obama does too. He also wants to raise taxes on the wealthy. If you volunteer and give to the United Way, thats great. I believe your donations are tax deductable. You want welfare reciepiants to pay taxes on their checks? Think about that. Thats a little redundant. You complain that you dont get to vote on these things? You did vote on them Nov6th. You lost.
boom

Millstadt, IL

#18 Nov 12, 2012
why do republicans assume that people don't want to work? i have to assume it is out of pure jealousy at the idea of not working and getting this magical "free money". understand that many people on welfare ARE working, sometimes multiple jobs, and they still cannot afford to live. minimum wage is not a livable wage. i urge you to try to live on minimum wage and welfare - you wouldn't last a month.

and i am so tired of hearing baby boomers bitch about the younger generation, the one that they raised. understand that decisions YOU made caused the current economy and we are exercising our new rights to vote to fix your mistakes. you pushed us to go to college, and now we're stuck with a student loan debt and no jobs. but we work those min wage jobs, pay off our debt for our worthless degrees, and pay into the social security system that none of us are stupid enough to think will be there when we get older.

i have no illusions of retirement. i know that my future includes working until i die or physically cannot anymore. i am not on assistance, because we are working our asses off, but we are one swift kick from having nothing.
Huh

Millstadt, IL

#19 Nov 12, 2012
Wow. Did he really save the auto industry who were "shovel ready"? Who paid for that. It's equivalent to the Treasury now owning junk bonds for something unions will screw up. AnD what consolidations over time have been given by those companies other than seeking bankruptcy (our dime again) to reduce spending/union salaries for the whole, not the me, as well as balancing the enormous trade deficit to make those cars more competitive, hence "saving" American jobs? Give me the numbers of unwed/unemployed mothers receiving payments from our broken system that I am paying for and then we will talk. They exist in droves and are not only collecting SSI, Medicaid and handouts from well meaning people unabashedly,mother are also insisting for more while they're kids go to school free again on my dime. And yes, it really IS that simple to hire one of the advertised lawyers to get on disability for chronic depression or fatigue which is bullsh*t. Sadly, we ALL know someone who is screwing the taxpayer but I'm happy that you have exactly what you want. I have no problem donating and gladly deducting a small percentage from my taxes, after all, it is one of the very few deductions I have left.
And boomer, again, there are little incentives for people to work full time and make over the minimum needed t o qualify for benefits. Because just over is where a lot of people are struggling and relying in family members, like me, To get them through. I just cant support everyone especially pile who aren't willing to work. That doesn't mean Democrats don't work. It means that they approve laws that make it easier to live on the government, redistribute wealth, even if the middle class isn't wealthy, and do not encourage growth and incentive the people to be productive. Wow.
Huh

Millstadt, IL

#20 Nov 12, 2012
And honestly, it is laughable to say that Jessie Jackson has a mental illness. He is avoiding the scandal that is about to ensue and taking time off before he goes to jail. Pretty typical actually. And he is in our state. One of the total representatives that make up the House and can influence a vote/law.

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