education

United States

#22 Jan 18, 2013
question wrote:
Why do catholics pray to Mary?
She's not God.
They do not pray TO Mary, we ask Mary to pray for us. Big difference. Please educate yourselves catholic bashers! The Internet is at your fingertips, it's easier than ever.
education

United States

#23 Jan 18, 2013
bass ackwards wrote:
The Associated Press estimated the settlements of sex abuse cases from 1950 to 2007 totaled more than $2 billion. BishopAccountability puts the figure at more than $3 billion in 2012. Addressing "a flood of abuse claims" five dioceses got bankruptcy protection.[21] Eight Catholic dioceses have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from 2004-2011"

How many millions of the Catholic's "largest non governmental charitable organization in the universe" were paid out to families that were raped by the men of your religion? Does that count as charity?
I don't recall anyone ever claiming that the Catholic Church is perfect - far from it. Fact is, nothing driven and run by imperfect human beings is perfect. Nothing. Secular or non secular. It's a massive scandal that was handled the wrong way - admittedly so. It doesn't erase the monumental contribution to GOOD that the church does every minute of every day. You can try to find another denomination that measures up in that capacity, but you will fail.
my religon

Waterloo, IL

#24 Jan 18, 2013
local wrote:
so glad to see so many informed people commenting on here. good, old topix.
the catholic parish here in columbia has been facing a list of issues that has lead to the building of a new church. one is that the current church was costing a great deal to maintain because of its considerable age. another is that the congregation had quite simply outgrown the building. third, there was no more real estate to expand the growing community. the school is utilizing not only the main school building, but the old convent building, as well, and if there were ever any hope of growing the school, there would either need to be a whole new building on whole new land, or eat the already cramped parking lot and playground.
so the solution reached was to build a new, larger church. there's enough land to eventually build a new school on the property. is it expensive? sure. they've been raising money for it for a decade. but it wasn't done at the expense of charity. if you were involved in the church you are criticizing, you'd know that.
Good for you . If thats what you want to spend your money on , thats what you should do. What about the churches that are 150 years old or older ? I think the history of these churches are important. What will become of the old church ? Just my opinion but I think that particular school is not better than the public schools. I think the education is not as good and the social skills are behind. Sports , not even close. The principal is out date and his educational style is over.
treehugger

Millstadt, IL

#25 Jan 18, 2013
my religon wrote:
<quoted text>Good for you . If thats what you want to spend your money on , thats what you should do. What about the churches that are 150 years old or older ? I think the history of these churches are important. What will become of the old church ? Just my opinion but I think that particular school is not better than the public schools. I think the education is not as good and the social skills are behind. Sports , not even close. The principal is out date and his educational style is over.
You are so uninformed.... The academic success of the catholic school in Columbia is outstanding. Each year, approximately 30% of previous 8th grade classes are named Illinois State Scholars in their senior year in high school. Those are facts that cannot be argued. ICS is an incredible school, with advanced technology and approaches to teaching.
bass ackwards

Waterloo, IL

#26 Jan 18, 2013
education wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't recall anyone ever claiming that the Catholic Church is perfect - far from it. Fact is, nothing driven and run by imperfect human beings is perfect. Nothing. Secular or non secular. It's a massive scandal that was handled the wrong way - admittedly so. It doesn't erase the monumental contribution to GOOD that the church does every minute of every day. You can try to find another denomination that measures up in that capacity, but you will fail.
The "good" that the church has done, doesn't measure up to the harm they have done either. I have no interest in finding another denomination to measure up, I prefer to think freely, rather than being told how and what to think.

A massive scandal? Priests are not allowed to marry, so they take their human sexual urges out on young children. That's no scandal, that's reality. The reality is that billions of the Catholic dollars have gone out to "cover up" the damage they've done.

Why are you getting so upset? Doesn't Jesus teach you not to judge, and to look the other way?
bass ackwards

Waterloo, IL

#27 Jan 18, 2013
20 facts about the Roman Catholic Church that most Catholics donít know

There is no implied order or priority in this list.

1.The culture of celibacy provides an effective hiding place for many sexually dysfunctional men.
2.Church leaders hate democracy; they donít believe in freedom, equality, or free speech.
3.Unlike the Mafia, Church leaders (bishops, pope) donít protect women and children.
4.Bishops swear complete loyalty to the pope; they are in effect kept men.
5.Money buys influence in the Church, just like everywhere else.
6.The pope is the absolute monarch. Nothing of import happens without his approval.
7.All sex outside of marriage is mortally sinful (provided the conditions for a sin to be mortal are present). There is no parvity of matter in sexual sin, that is, there is no gradation of severity when it comes to sexual, mortal sins.(Donít try to look up ďparvityĒ in the dictionary because it isnít there; to find out what the word means call up your local theologian). For example, masturbation and child rape are equally sinful in the eyes of the men who run the Church. All sexual sin will land you in hell unless a priest absolves you through the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
8.The bottom line in the Church is power, control, and money, just like it is in all worldly institutions.
9.The Church is in reality an insurance company selling insurance against being damned to hell. The premiums are deposited in the collection plate every Sunday.

10. Celibacy and chastity are two entirely different things.

11. The glue that holds the whole dysfunctional Catholic family together is fear.

12. Jimmy Breslin had it right years ago: the Roman Catholic Church is the church that forgot Christ. Or, as Jimmy might say, forgetabouthim.

13. Countless priests who have abused children are still in ministry notwithstanding bishopsí claims to the contrary (bishops and the pope lie a lot).

14. One out of every three baptized Catholics in America has left the Church.

15. There are many good men in the priesthood, but the number of good bishops is microscopically small.

16. The Catholic Church is rich beyond imagination. Just how rich the Church is is a matter of speculation because the Church is very, very secretive about its real estate and financial assets.

17. The majority of priests have a homosexual orientation; the scope of gay sex participated in by priests and bishops is staggering.

18. The Church hires the very best lawyers and PR firms and pays them very high fees to fight victims of sexual abuse by clerics and to lobby against changes in statutes of limitations in state legislatures.

19. The vast majority of regular Mass-going Catholics are like sheep; they do whatever their priests, bishops, and the pope tell them; they are not critical thinkers; they are passive like sheep or children.

20. When it comes to gospel values (compassion, justice, love) priests and bishops, like most people, talk a good game, but their actions speak louder than their words.
local

Columbia, IL

#28 Jan 18, 2013
so, in summery from this thread, it's not so much a problem with the new church, but that catholics exist in general? if i had known we just wanted to bash a faith i'd have saved my time and energy and left you ignorants to your fun.

i'm catholic. do i love everything about my church? nope. i think you'll be hard pressed to find one of us who is not highly disturbed by what some of our religious have done. does that change what i believe? absolutely not. more importantly, does being catholic make me care, in any way, what YOU think about MY church? you must be kidding yourself.

so, do as i shall, and waste your time elsewhere. perhaps you can go pray, since you are obviously so much holier than we are.
education

Waterloo, IL

#29 Jan 18, 2013
bass ackwards wrote:
<quoted text>
The "good" that the church has done, doesn't measure up to the harm they have done either. I have no interest in finding another denomination to measure up, I prefer to think freely, rather than being told how and what to think.
A massive scandal? Priests are not allowed to marry, so they take their human sexual urges out on young children. That's no scandal, that's reality. The reality is that billions of the Catholic dollars have gone out to "cover up" the damage they've done.
Why are you getting so upset? Doesn't Jesus teach you not to judge, and to look the other way?
First off, I'm not the least bit "upset". Catholic bashers are all the same - bitter and extremely ill-informed with no inclination to inform themselves. It's actually laughable. To blame pedophilia on priests not being able to marry is about as ignorant as it gets. The OVERWHELMING majority of pedophiles in the world are men who have full access to sex and marriage any time they want it. A more logical explanation is that men who felt urges to harm children went into the priesthood to either hide, have access to children or "fix" their problem. As for your second entry down below, please state your source or I will assume that you made up every single word.
bass ackwards

Waterloo, IL

#30 Jan 18, 2013
education wrote:
<quoted text>
First off, I'm not the least bit "upset". Catholic bashers are all the same - bitter and extremely ill-informed with no inclination to inform themselves. It's actually laughable. To blame pedophilia on priests not being able to marry is about as ignorant as it gets. The OVERWHELMING majority of pedophiles in the world are men who have full access to sex and marriage any time they want it. A more logical explanation is that men who felt urges to harm children went into the priesthood to either hide, have access to children or "fix" their problem. As for your second entry down below, please state your source or I will assume that you made up every single word.
You should honestly open your eyes and look around. Oh but wait, unless the Church tells you so, you won't. If you didn't care, you wouldn't keep coming back to try and explain to me anything.

Where exactly would you place blame on the pedophilia that is happening EVERYDAY by your religion's men? Is that part of God's plan too? I know how many sick and twisted people are out there, in and out of the church. But the fact remains that the Catholics are well known for their rapist. Why didn't Jesus lead them away from it? What's your excuse for them????

You keep telling me to "educate myself", and the more I keep reading about the Catholic church just keeps proving what I already know even more.

education

Waterloo, IL

#31 Jan 18, 2013
bass ackwards wrote:
<quoted text>
You should honestly open your eyes and look around. Oh but wait, unless the Church tells you so, you won't. If you didn't care, you wouldn't keep coming back to try and explain to me anything.
Where exactly would you place blame on the pedophilia that is happening EVERYDAY by your religion's men? Is that part of God's plan too? I know how many sick and twisted people are out there, in and out of the church. But the fact remains that the Catholics are well known for their rapist. Why didn't Jesus lead them away from it? What's your excuse for them????
You keep telling me to "educate myself", and the more I keep reading about the Catholic church just keeps proving what I already know even more.
First off, I didn't say I "didn't care", I said I wasn't "upset" as you suggested I was. Secondly, my eyes are wide open - I look around and see and judge for myself every single day. Regardless of what you think happens in the Catholic Church, they do not dictate what we think and say. If you look for bad things about the Catholic Church, you will find them. If you look for good things, you will find those as well. You seem to have more of a problem with religion in general, so I will just leave you with your personal issue and wish you good luck.
bass ackwards

Waterloo, IL

#32 Jan 18, 2013
education wrote:
<quoted text>
First off, I didn't say I "didn't care", I said I wasn't "upset" as you suggested I was. Secondly, my eyes are wide open - I look around and see and judge for myself every single day. Regardless of what you think happens in the Catholic Church, they do not dictate what we think and say. If you look for bad things about the Catholic Church, you will find them. If you look for good things, you will find those as well. You seem to have more of a problem with religion in general, so I will just leave you with your personal issue and wish you good luck.
Nicely Said. But..

You can't speak for all Catholics. You personally may think for yourself, but you can not speak for all of the other Catholics. You'd be amazed at how many do not think, speak or feel unless the church tells them so.

I don't have a personal issue with religion, just the hypocrisy and lies they try to feed the world. Good luck to you as well.
Gone

Duluth, GA

#33 Jan 18, 2013
bass ackwards wrote:
20 facts about the Roman Catholic Church that most Catholics donít know
There is no implied order or priority in this list.
1.The culture of celibacy provides an effective hiding place for many sexually dysfunctional men.
2.Church leaders hate democracy; they donít believe in freedom, equality, or free speech.
3.Unlike the Mafia, Church leaders (bishops, pope) donít protect women and children.
4.Bishops swear complete loyalty to the pope; they are in effect kept men.
5.Money buys influence in the Church, just like everywhere else.
6.The pope is the absolute monarch. Nothing of import happens without his approval.
7.All sex outside of marriage is mortally sinful (provided the conditions for a sin to be mortal are present). There is no parvity of matter in sexual sin, that is, there is no gradation of severity when it comes to sexual, mortal sins.(Donít try to look up ďparvityĒ in the dictionary because it isnít there; to find out what the word means call up your local theologian). For example, masturbation and child rape are equally sinful in the eyes of the men who run the Church. All sexual sin will land you in hell unless a priest absolves you through the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
8.The bottom line in the Church is power, control, and money, just like it is in all worldly institutions.
9.The Church is in reality an insurance company selling insurance against being damned to hell. The premiums are deposited in the collection plate every Sunday.
10. Celibacy and chastity are two entirely different things.
11. The glue that holds the whole dysfunctional Catholic family together is fear.
12. Jimmy Breslin had it right years ago: the Roman Catholic Church is the church that forgot Christ. Or, as Jimmy might say, forgetabouthim.
13. Countless priests who have abused children are still in ministry notwithstanding bishopsí claims to the contrary (bishops and the pope lie a lot).
14. One out of every three baptized Catholics in America has left the Church.
15. There are many good men in the priesthood, but the number of good bishops is microscopically small.
16. The Catholic Church is rich beyond imagination. Just how rich the Church is is a matter of speculation because the Church is very, very secretive about its real estate and financial assets.
17. The majority of priests have a homosexual orientation; the scope of gay sex participated in by priests and bishops is staggering.
18. The Church hires the very best lawyers and PR firms and pays them very high fees to fight victims of sexual abuse by clerics and to lobby against changes in statutes of limitations in state legislatures.
19. The vast majority of regular Mass-going Catholics are like sheep; they do whatever their priests, bishops, and the pope tell them; they are not critical thinkers; they are passive like sheep or children.
20. When it comes to gospel values (compassion, justice, love) priests and bishops, like most people, talk a good game, but their actions speak louder than their words.
As 1 of the 3 who have left the church nationally I agree with much of what you said here. Hypocrisy is the hallmark of most Catholics and it disgusted me enough that I chose to leave once I was older. Most Catholics are truly clueless about the bible and the underbelly of ICS in particular is pretty bad. Some of the "big families" in this particular parish have the biggest issues. I could never understand how some spouses look the other way while their partners openly cheat on them, the drunken debauchery that occurs here is unreal, and the fact remains that most don't seem to care. Not all members are like this here, but it's very rampant here nonetheless with some who have a deserved bad rep.

Good news though. Some of you ICS people (and you know who you are) can play Sadam and Gomorreah again soon after the auction so have fun. You can always blame it on the liquor.
Mikejr148

Waterloo, IL

#34 Jan 18, 2013
Mosque is next to be built in Monroe County. Look out you haters!
bass ackwards

Waterloo, IL

#35 Jan 18, 2013
Mikejr148 wrote:
Mosque is next to be built in Monroe County. Look out you haters!
It will be built in the plaza with the porn store, the gun store and the tattoo shop. Oh the variety it will bring.
Mark

Waterloo, IL

#36 Jan 19, 2013
Get use to it priest or gay its just sad people do not see this. All they wont is your money so they can go have sex with litte boys. Thre hole church is just sick.
Out of towner

Kansas City, MO

#37 Jan 20, 2013
bass ackwards wrote:
<quoted text>
The "good" that the church has done, doesn't measure up to the harm they have done either. I have no interest in finding another denomination to measure up, I prefer to think freely, rather than being told how and what to think.
A massive scandal? Priests are not allowed to marry, so they take their human sexual urges out on young children. That's no scandal, that's reality. The reality is that billions of the Catholic dollars have gone out to "cover up" the damage they've done.
Why are you getting so upset? Doesn't Jesus teach you not to judge, and to look the other way?
Bass, you should be living in Cahokia. You would fit right in!
Bass Ackward

Waterloo, IL

#38 Jan 21, 2013
Out of towner wrote:
<quoted text>
Bass, you should be living in Cahokia. You would fit right in!
What's that supposed to mean? Go say that in front of people that live in Cahokia, and go explain to them your racist and ignorant comment. Oh but wait, no, I'm sure you'd be too much of a p^ssy to ramble your mouth off to another man, and Jesus won't save you when some big huge dude wants to pummel your face.

Did I hurt your feelings about your church? Thinking freely usually tends to spook the sheep!

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#39 Jan 21, 2013
Say Three Hale Mary's and light four candles to that!!!

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#40 Jan 21, 2013
Principal of immaculate conception, Mike Kish attends Obama inauguration.
local

Columbia, IL

#43 Jan 22, 2013
Smithnwesson wrote:
Principal of immaculate conception, Mike Kish attends Obama inauguration.
Not sure what you are trying to say here, but I can assure you that mike kish would attend any event that he deemed historically relevant.

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