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Resident

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Feb 11, 2013
 

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The roads around the Market Place are just an embarrassment.
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do what I did...stop shopping there. also tell all the other stores you are going somewhere else unless the owner fixes them.
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Feb 11, 2013
 

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They make great speed bumps.
I saw some bozo screaming about 40mph from Mcdonalds to the post office. He hit the holes sooo hard 2 tires popped. HA HA HA....it's true.
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As for the roads at Market Place, it is private property. The owner is responsible for the upkeep of these craters on his property. Once he makes his millions on the food and rent prices maybe he might spend a couple of thousand dollars to make it right. But what about the roads surronding the Market place complex, they suck and have leaking water on just about every street North and West of the place. Iquess if someone would break up that Eucher game at the Public works maybe something would get done.
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The road by firestone and taco bell are owned by then. They dont want to spend the money to fix it. I talk to the asst enginer of columbia and he said its up to them to fix the road.
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beth wrote:
The road by Firestone and taco bell are owned by then. They dont want to spend the money to fix it. I talk to the asst engineer of Columbia and he said its up to them to fix the road.
I think you got some bad info, didn't know the City could afford an Assistant Engineer. Whom ever was pretending to be that, lied to you. If it is not own by Joe P. then it is a city owned asset. The city provides infrastructure for business's or else they would not be there. Do you really think that Taco Bell and Firestone built those roads out of their pocket just to have a business there? So here we go again about the city not owning up to taking care of their responsibility. Blame problems on someone else. By the way Beth, it says that you are from Waterloo, do you live in Columbia?
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Feb 12, 2013
 

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Fix the roads Joe.
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Yes the roads down there are bad. I don't know who's responsible for them but if it's the city maybe they should fix those roads before they do Cherry Street
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Go to the City website. The Assistant City Engineer is Tim Ahrens.

The City never accepted the roads because they were not built to City standards. This is obvious because now they are deteriorating. Look at the other roads in the subdivision behind Market Place. Built around the same time...different standards...city accepted and now maintains.

Joe K. owns the development. He...or his owners and renters down there...is/are responsible.
Permits

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Jude wrote:
Go to the City website. The Assistant City Engineer is Tim Ahrens.
The City never accepted the roads because they were not built to City standards. This is obvious because now they are deteriorating. Look at the other roads in the subdivision behind Market Place. Built around the same time...different standards...city accepted and now maintains.
Joe K. owns the development. He...or his owners and renters down there...is/are responsible.
Amazing how the City can say, "Naw, we don't accept those roads, because they are not up to our standards."Tell me, who signed off the Permits according to code. We do have a code enforcer in the City. He has the right to enforce code on your private property, why not the Market Place?
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Feb 12, 2013
 
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<quoted text>I think you got some bad info, didn't know the City could afford an Assistant Engineer. Whom ever was pretending to be that, lied to you. If it is not own by Joe P. then it is a city owned asset. The city provides infrastructure for business's or else they would not be there. Do you really think that Taco Bell and Firestone built those roads out of their pocket just to have a business there? So here we go again about the city not owning up to taking care of their responsibility. Blame problems on someone else. By the way Beth, it says that you are from Waterloo, do you live in Columbia?
i live in columbia but it seams you dont even no we have a assistant engineer so where do u live?
Jude

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Feb 12, 2013
 
Many subdivisions are built and the roads remain private. If the developer wanted the City to take them over, he should have built them to the City standards.
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It just amazes me that those that grew up here seem to accept the fact that this City did not and will not enforce codes to build roads and homes in this town. Codes are meant for the safety of it's citizens. It seems we will just have to take our lives in our own hands when we buy a house or drive down sub standard roads, because of the Good Ole Boy Club.
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Feb 13, 2013
 
Permits wrote:
<quoted text>Amazing how the City can say, "Naw, we don't accept those roads, because they are not up to our standards."Tell me, who signed off the Permits according to code. We do have a code enforcer in the City. He has the right to enforce code on your private property, why not the Market Place?
I'm going to make some educated guesses. A private drive in the city limits likely only has to be solid, not gravel or dirt, so the roads there likely passed initial inspection, if there even is one for private roads, usually a grace period is given then warnings then citations, that's common in smallish towns. As for the city not accepting responsiblity for continung upkeep, if the road isn't done sufficiently and the city begins maintaining it, they can become responsible through deafault. On a poorly lain road that can basically mean almost starting over at much greater expense than taking over upkeep maintenance. Of course you have code enforcement, but if that road isn't creating a nuisance for neighbors(dust), its probably meeting code requirements. No one is required to drive there, its optional, the only thing that can be done is for tenants to complain, leave, or sue if they can find a leg to stand on. The last 2 sentences iknow are correct, the rest is like I said, an educated guess. Blaming the city for a crap private road is pointless. Now, someone damaging their vehicle while driving reasonably would have grounds to sue. They're operating business' there, the landlords have an obligation to customers and to tenants.
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I will say this, if the cops enforce any traffic law whatsoever down there, they HAVE accepted that road, and are as responsible for its upkeep as they are for enforcing speed limits or any other traffic law, which only applies on public roads and vehicles operating adjacently(entering, leaving, roadside, and the right of way). That means if anyone can show a speeding ticket on the road that passes in front of the bank, the city is obligated to maintain in front that passes in front of the bank. If the city has taken the legal point of view, in writing, that they are not responsible for that road, then tickets should be thrown out and old ones expunged, along with any resulting prosecution from any ruitine traffic stop for any alleged infringement on that same road. For as far back as the city has denied responsibility, ANY charges. That means if you had a pound of cocaine or a murdered corpse and the cop found it while you were stopped for speeding on private property, you get off free, he had no right to stop you. Then you can sue.
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I will say this, if the cops enforce any traffic law whatsoever down there, they HAVE accepted that road, and are as responsible for its upkeep as they are for enforcing speed limits or any other traffic law, which only applies on public roads and vehicles operating adjacently(entering, leaving, roadside, and the right of way). That means if anyone can show a speeding ticket on the road that passes in front of the bank, the city is obligated to maintain in front that passes in front of the bank. If the city has taken the legal point of view, in writing, that they are not responsible for that road, then tickets should be thrown out and old ones expunged, along with any resulting prosecution from any ruitine traffic stop for any alleged infringement on that same road. For as far back as the city has denied responsibility, ANY charges. That means if you had a pound of cocaine or a murdered corpse and the cop found it while you were stopped for speeding on private property, you get off free, he had no right to stop you. Then you can sue.
Yeah, good luck with that.
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Admittedly a good attorney would have to get the case moved out of monroe county to a venue where the actual law would be sure to prevail over the local constabulatory, or wait and appeal where a panel of state judges would follow the law. Not to mention it would take one who cared enough and was smart enough. Most don't and aren't. Bad stops get evidence tossed every time in districts where there are more than one or two judges. I find it impossible to believe the police have maintained a hands off approach to traffic stops in there, and I'm sure there are also people who have gotten duis, possession charges, all kinds of things, none legal because they were on private property, not violating any traffic laws, only rules. I suppose they could be stopped for ipso facto tresspassing(violating rules so not supposed to be there), but that means a complaint by landlords against things like people leaving the bowling alley after drinks. More stuff that's not good for business.
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Feb 14, 2013
 
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They make great speed bumps.
I saw some bozo screaming about 40mph from Mcdonalds to the post office. He hit the holes sooo hard 2 tires popped. HA HA HA....it's true.
The bozo was probably the bank robbers trying to get away! ha
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Feb 14, 2013
 
Your posts were so long winded I fell asleep. Simple solution....don't drive on those substandard roads. If you think they are so bad, avoid them.

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Feb 15, 2013
 
...Your posts were so long winded I fell asleep... so says the Twitter generation - help I can understand anything without a hashtag

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