Columbia Crossing redux

[Facts]

You are ate up an eagle view. One of the voice in the crowd's minions I'm guessing. Maybe the voise herself. Anyway, there was no minor disagreements. Columbia faulted on their end of the signed agreements. I see nothing monor about that. You just may have saved Columbia from any class developements in the future. And that's okay. Dupo appreciates everything that you have done. Their developement plans are moving forward. Good job.

[Fact]

Wrong, found out this week that Dupos plans are not going forward...lol nice try.

Facts wrote:

You are ate up an eagle view. One of the voice in the crowd's minions I'm guessing. Maybe the voise herself. Anyway, there was no minor disagreements. Columbia faulted on their end of the signed agreements. I see nothing monor about that. You just may have saved Columbia from any class developements in the future. And that's okay. Dupo appreciates everything that you have done. Their developement plans are moving forward. Good job.

[Uncle Rico]

Looking forward to this progressing. It will keep my sales tax in Illinois and Monroe County and not going to Missouri. Not to mention any property tax that is generated and payroll taxes. Not to mention the savings on gas for the shorter drive. Please Mr. Grewe and Columbia high powers lets get the ball rolling on this it is long over due! Devevelop and Prosper!

[an eagle view]

Facts wrote:

You are ate up an eagle view. One of the voice in the crowd's minions I'm guessing. Maybe the voise herself. Anyway, there was no minor disagreements. Columbia faulted on their end of the signed agreements. I see nothing monor about that. You just may have saved Columbia from any class developements in the future. And that's okay. Dupo appreciates everything that you have done. Their developement plans are moving forward. Good job.

Fact's assertion that Columbia 'faulted' on the agreement with Grewe is nothing but a meaningless conclusion, oft repeated by PFC parrots. Claiming/screaming that an agreement has been violated and actually demonstrating that violation are two entirely different things.

Precisely what 'actions' by the previous City Council caused a 'breach of contract?' Can 'Facts'(or anyone else) articulate anything other than some minor disagreements, some of which were created by little more than the poor way Hutchinson (mis)handled agendas and meetings?

Grewe (and Hutchinson) used these disagreements first to threaten a lawsuit in an attempt to bully the Council. When that failed, Grewe then filed a lawsuit as a scare tactic designed to extort from the Council what he wanted.

And this repulsive approach is not limited to Columbia---just ask Fenton, Crestwood, or Shrewsbury. The taxpayers of Columbia would be well served by the City disassociating itself from any business involvement with Grewe.

[Sniffy]

200million in incentives to bring big box in? You go Kevin. Columbia would police protect and maintain, pretty cost effective. But at least govment and minmum wage jobs would bees created.

[Finally]

Just how in the world can a project in the bottoms mean that Columbia's streets will be riddled with crime and pollution? That just isn't sensible. We need the revenue. And, it would be nice to have some shopping close.

[Fair is Fair]

Finally wrote:

Just how in the world can a project in the bottoms mean that Columbia's streets will be riddled with crime and pollution? That just isn't sensible. We need the revenue. And, it would be nice to have some shopping close.

Are you kidding???? Where have you been? We don't even have this development yet and our streets are getting worse by the day! In the last few months here's what our community has dealt with....

- ATM stolen
- SEVERAL Home/Car Burglaries
- A High Speed Chase that ended with Gun Fire IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD...and the police seemed to have a problem hitting their target, and in return had stray bullets flying around the neighborhood
- Gas Station Robberies & Hold ups
- Drugs being dealt from the back room of a gas station

With development comes crimes. With development comes more traffic (pollution), Trash (pollution), Waste (Pollution), and CRIME! More crime...more police (MORE MONEY), More Police (HIGHER TAXES)....and the list goes on and on and on!

It's time to get real!

[Just Sayin]

If you have been voting for politicians (Kevin Hutchinson & CO) who promises to give you "Goodies" at someone else's expense (GJ Grewe), Then you have no right to complain when they take your money and give it to someone else...including themselves.

JUST SAYING!!!!!!!!!!

~Original Quote from Thomas Sowell

[an eagle view]

'Facts' has repeatedly accused the Council of 'defaulting' on the agreement with Grewe. Inept handling of Council matters by Hutchinson provides hardly a reason for Grewe's lawsuit, let alone a persuasive reason, yet 'Facts' continually maintains that Grewe was justified in suing the City. Others believe there was no such justification and the lawsuit was merely a ploy for Grewe and Hutchinson to get their way rather than to negotiate differences with the Council. As a result, the lawsuit was (is) an abuse of the court system, a wanton waste of taxpayer money, and a flashing red light warning about the perils of doing any business whatsoever with Grewe.

By referring to the 'home rule' issue, Facts only begs the question of what 'actions' of the Council constituted a 'default' of the agreement with Grewe. No such 'actions' have yet been identified....perhaps Fact's accusation of 'default' has no reality? This is not a surprise. Most of the information advocating for Columbia Crossing, especially any benefit to Columbia taxpayers, is totally bogus too.

[facts]

And, contrary to a previous post, Clayco's Frontier Park Developement in the bottoms is still moving forward. Prairie Dupont Crossing at I-255 has a nice ring to it. If Columbia doesn't want it, then someone else ill take it.

[an eagle view]

Thanx, Facts, but I don't claim to know it all....perhaps it only appears so in comparison, as it apparently takes little to know more than you. There was NO 'main dispute that caused the lawsuit.' That is precisely the point!! It is only the PFC parrots who claim otherwise and, as you have so beautifully demonstrated, that claim is utterly worthless.

Whether Grewe and Hutchinson intended to screw the City by filing an unwarranted lawsuit is not worth debating. They simply did not AND DO NOT CARE if the City and its residents were/are screwed.

What Grewe/Hutchinson intended was nothing less than the complete nullification of the will of the voters. In the 2007 election, Columbia voters said 'no' to the referendum on providing 'incentives' to the proposed development in the bottoms. These voters also said 'yes' to new Council members who promised to scrutinize carefully the massive subsidies being discussed ( a whopping $200 million dollars) rather than rubber stamp anything put before them, and to do so in the open, not behind closed doors.

This election result was catastrophic for Grewe and Hutchinson....threatening their Greweville dream...and something had to be done, hence the lawsuit.

The frivolous nature of the lawsuit against the City is exactly why doing business with Grewe has been and will continue to be an absolute disaster for the City and its taxpayers.

[Sniffy]

Smellen an interesting election, stay tuned to the Emancipation or The Orchestrated take down. Will the work for government forever Hinckler participate? Will voters follow the money mongers or have independent thought? Will any patriot actually run and why. Saw how the last shmucks got crucified. Cock crows three times. Big box swindle coming to a town near you.

[Pulitzer]

facts wrote:

You seem to know it all eagle. My comments are just an opinion based on what I experienced at the Columbia board meetings and a little research on my own. If you know the specifics, just what is the main dispute that causecd the lawsuit? It seems really weak to assume this lawsuit is some kind of end around for the Mayor and Grewe to somehow screw the city. I feel that the home rule was at the center. You maintain it's some sort of silent manipulation by the Mayor against his own city. Am I overstating my assessment? If not, do you care to elaborate on some factual information concerning your bogus information statement. When all taxing entities, including the school board agrees with the developement, what makes you so much smarter than all of them?

You keep saying the taxing bodies supported this tif. Too bad they don't understand it. The former school board pres Phelps who should have been run out and the other crook Rodenberg who just resigned say they supported TIF, makes me feel good. Was there at the Monroe County Taxpayers meeting when they stated they would only support the development if Grewe provided a 35% cut thru to the school. Sounds great doesn't it. Too bad TIF statute makes it illegal to give a cut thru to the schools. How come you never say that.

[Joe]

I read numerous articles in the local papers that all said the support was from all the taxing bodies, I'm not sure your opinion that some didn't understand it makes any sense, these are boards who have a fiduciary responsibility to whom they represent, you lost all credibility with that statement.
while i like Taxpayers Inc, they are not a taxing body, maybe that's why no mention of any cut through, legal or not, was brought up.
I have to admit, with all the tif bad mouthing on this site, it does not make sense that these board members, who would receive no individual personal gain, would favor something that is described on here as being bad for the community and the entities they represent, can someone please explain that to me?

[bill]

election donations. don't belive me? ask kevin.

[huge duhh]

Joe, you got my point and no you will never get an answer, watch. The losers have NO ANSWER to your question, I've asked at least 15 times.

bill, election donations are legal.

[bill]

I never said it was illegal to buy votes with election donations, I just said its what is done.
TIFs are a good idea for BLIGHTED areas. they are a disaster when everyone uses them.
steroids are wonderful tools for healing sick people. when every athlete starts pumping steroids its a disaster. when you say we need to offer TIFS just to compete with nother towns offering TIFS, you sound just like those athletes saying they used steroids just to compete with the other guys. spend less of your energy being a sheep and more fighting the widespread use of tifs. get the laws changed and then we get 100% of tye taxes 100% of the time!

[bill]

oh and ballwad, I've asked you at least 15 times to go back to your own towns topix page and leave this to columbians! we don't need meddling from your kind, mister "I own and rent historic columbian houses to section eights" and "I don't live in columbia but I voted for Kevin".
You are either a gigantic liar, or a criminal.

[huge duhh]

bill, bill, bill, pay attention. I lived in Columbia my entire life and yes I did vote for Kevin, I own many homes in Columbia and most are in the top 20% value wise. I have every right to discuss Columbia's fiscal issues as I pay as much or more tax than 90% of the other residents, now, do you have an answer for Joe?

Bill, stay focused as we are talking about COLUMBIA'S use of TIF, that is it, not any place else got it.

one thing we agree with is change ALL the state law to outlaw tif and I'm with you, but until you get that done, we have to deal with it.

[joe]

I've noticed they never answer any questions and they sure like to trash you ballwin, It seems they don't care if your correct or not, It's disgusting behavior.