Authoritarian Police State Moves To Seize Camp Zoe

Posted in the Columbia Forum

Comments

Showing posts 1 - 20 of39
< prev page
|
Go to last page| Jump to page:

“David B. Mueller”

Since: Jul 10

Columbia, Illinois

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#1
Nov 17, 2010
 
DavidBMueller | November 17, 2010

In this clip, David B. Mueller expresses sadness and outrage after representatives of the authoritarian police state that has emerged in the United States, largely as a result of drug prohibition, has moved to seize Camp Zoe, the site of numerous schwagstock music festivals have been held. Mueller is especially saddened because he never actually got to attend any of the shows although he always had a desire to do so. However, the Internet contains many accounts that indicate that thousands of people attended these shows and enjoyed the events there very much. Jimmy Tebeau, a member of The Schwag, owned the property and tried to make it a place where people could enjoy psychedelic music and culture and also enjoy the natural beauty of the Ozarrks. The Controlled Substances Act must be repealed to stop these atrocious attacks on our culture. See video at http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“David B. Mueller”

Since: Jul 10

Columbia, Illinois

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#2
Nov 17, 2010
 
DavidBMueller wrote:
DavidBMueller | November 17, 2010
In this clip, David B. Mueller expresses sadness and outrage after representatives of the authoritarian police state that has emerged in the United States, largely as a result of drug prohibition, has moved to seize Camp Zoe, the site of numerous schwagstock music festivals have been held. Mueller is especially saddened because he never actually got to attend any of the shows although he always had a desire to do so. However, the Internet contains many accounts that indicate that thousands of people attended these shows and enjoyed the events there very much. Jimmy Tebeau, a member of The Schwag, owned the property and tried to make it a place where people could enjoy psychedelic music and culture and also enjoy the natural beauty of the Ozarks. The Controlled Substances Act must be repealed to stop these atrocious attacks on our culture. See video at http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Please forgive grammatical errors I made in my original post. I have revised the post below.
DavidBMueller | November 17, 2010

In this clip, David B. Mueller expresses sadness and outrage after representatives of the authoritarian police state that has emerged in the United States, largely as a result of drug prohibition, have moved to seize Camp Zoe, the site of numerous Schwagstock music festivals. Mueller is especially saddened because he never actually got to attend any of the shows although he always had a desire to do so. However, the Internet contains many accounts that indicate that thousands of people attended these shows and enjoyed the events there very much. Jimmy Tebeau, a member of The Schwag, owned the property and tried to make it a place where people could enjoy psychedelic music and culture and also enjoy the natural beauty of the Ozarks. The Controlled Substances Act must be repealed to stop these atrocious attacks on our culture. See video at http://www.youtube.com/watch...
America the Beautiful

Saint Louis, MO

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#3
Nov 19, 2010
 
The attempt at seizing Camp Zoe is a classic example of why America is no longer the greatest country in the world.
We are allsuch Hypocrites

United States

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#4
Nov 19, 2010
 
Our forfeiture laws at work. It can happen to anyone on alligations alone. Thats the law. Brought to you by our longest running war. The war on Marijuana.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#5
Nov 19, 2010
 

Judged:

1

Its not the pot that caused this debacle, its the cocaine, mushrooms, mdma, and meth that brought it about. The massive dealing that pervaded and overshadowed the music and naturality of the events warranted it. Jerry garcia himself would've told you about the dangers of processed chemicals, and only a moron doesn't understand the violence supported by them. Just because a bunch of shwagheads want to use them doesn't mean south american murderers, terrorists, and gangs arent the ones gaining power and funds from them. The whole thing was literally a swap meet for drugs with live music as a backdrop, it wasn't some casual picnic with some incidental drug use.
America the Beautiful

Saint Louis, MO

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#6
Nov 20, 2010
 
a-non wrote:
Its not the pot that caused this debacle, its the cocaine, mushrooms, mdma, and meth that brought it about. The massive dealing that pervaded and overshadowed the music and naturality of the events warranted it. Jerry garcia himself would've told you about the dangers of processed chemicals, and only a moron doesn't understand the violence supported by them. Just because a bunch of shwagheads want to use them doesn't mean south american murderers, terrorists, and gangs arent the ones gaining power and funds from them. The whole thing was literally a swap meet for drugs with live music as a backdrop, it wasn't some casual picnic with some incidental drug use.
So its okay for the authorities to seize property on allegations alone? If you think this is okay then I pray the government seizes your property for something you believe in. Also, the mushrooms aren't imported and you don't know what Jerry would have said.
America the Beautiful

Saint Louis, MO

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#7
Nov 20, 2010
 
a-non wrote:
Its not the pot that caused this debacle, its the cocaine, mushrooms, mdma, and meth that brought it about. The massive dealing that pervaded and overshadowed the music and naturality of the events warranted it. Jerry garcia himself would've told you about the dangers of processed chemicals, and only a moron doesn't understand the violence supported by them. Just because a bunch of shwagheads want to use them doesn't mean south american murderers, terrorists, and gangs arent the ones gaining power and funds from them. The whole thing was literally a swap meet for drugs with live music as a backdrop, it wasn't some casual picnic with some incidental drug use.
By the way, what processed chemical has you playing on your computer at 2:30 in the morning?
hemp

United States

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#8
Nov 20, 2010
 
a-non wrote:
Its not the pot that caused this debacle, its the cocaine, mushrooms, mdma, and meth that brought it about. The massive dealing that pervaded and overshadowed the music and naturality of the events warranted it. Jerry garcia himself would've told you about the dangers of processed chemicals, and only a moron doesn't understand the violence supported by them. Just because a bunch of shwagheads want to use them doesn't mean south american murderers, terrorists, and gangs arent the ones gaining power and funds from them. The whole thing was literally a swap meet for drugs with live music as a backdrop, it wasn't some casual picnic with some incidental drug use.
But the pot is 70% of the war on drugs. How else can they justify all of the swat teams and forfeiture laws. There is not that many chemicals going around to merit the huge police build-up. ONLY because of our DRUG LAWS, the south american murderers, terrorists, and gangs gain power and funding from them. One other group profiting from our drug laws, the police. It is the laws, not the drugs creating the violence. Remember Prohibition?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#9
Nov 20, 2010
 
just because I'm a night owl doesn't make me a chemical fiend, and they're not taking the land on conjecture alone, they investigated for four years, then made solid busts based on open and obvious exchanges of large amounts of drugs. I don't wish any of this on those people, but they were stupid and wreckless to think that just because they were on private property the free for all was ok. And the owner would literally have had to never heard of the event not to know what was happening. As far as the war on drugs, well, even the most liberal and free nations on the planet don't allow the open and rampant free trading of EVERY narcotic on the planet in the private sector, and they NEVER will. And thank god for that, because chemicals destroy lives, cause so much human abuse its pathetic, and kill. As far as mushrooms, you should educate yourself as to what continued long term abuse of them does, its why they're a class x felony. Id give anything for pot to be legal, but the rest belong pretty much where they are. Aside from all that, do you know what killed Garcia? Think he liked it or was proud of it? Like I said, this wasn't a music fest anymore, it was a swap meet, everybody that went, went either to sell, buy, or trade drugs(and there WERE a fairly massive amount of chems involved,that's why they got busted at all), and they were stupid about it, obviously, or they would have caught on in all the time agents were in on it. You just don't deal with strangers. If you haven't known somebody for years, know their lives, what they do and where they live, other people that know them, you don't even TALK about your personal life, not to mention expose youreself to their scrutiny. Half the shwaggers I know are idiots who think anybody who wears tiedye and braids must be 'cool man'. Grow up, we ARE being watched, and its by people who know they have to blend to gain trust. And our war on drugs has nothing to do with where coca plants will grow(mountains of south america, where bad people subjugate citizens to grow and process it), or who's willing to grow enough poppy to supply a million ruined addicts with their need, only the pot trade is really affected by it(meth too, but if you think meth is good you should inject about a gram and do us all a favor). So your all pretty deluded in my book, and your rhetoric weak and overused. If it had remained a music event where people brought their pot and smoked without a bunch of dealing it'd never have gotten raided. Watched maybe, but never raided.

“David B. Mueller”

Since: Jul 10

Columbia, Illinois

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#10
Nov 20, 2010
 
a-non wrote:
just because I'm a night owl doesn't make me a chemical fiend, and they're not taking the land on conjecture alone, they investigated for four years, then made solid busts based on open and obvious exchanges of large amounts of drugs. I don't wish any of this on those people, but they were stupid and wreckless to think that just because they were on private property the free for all was ok. And the owner would literally have had to never heard of the event not to know what was happening. As far as the war on drugs, well, even the most liberal and free nations on the planet don't allow the open and rampant free trading of EVERY narcotic on the planet in the private sector, and they NEVER will. And thank god for that, because chemicals destroy lives, cause so much human abuse its pathetic, and kill. As far as mushrooms, you should educate yourself as to what continued long term abuse of them does, its why they're a class x felony. Id give anything for pot to be legal, but the rest belong pretty much where they are. Aside from all that, do you know what killed Garcia? Think he liked it or was proud of it? Like I said, this wasn't a music fest anymore, it was a swap meet, everybody that went, went either to sell, buy, or trade drugs(and there WERE a fairly massive amount of chems involved,that's why they got busted at all), and they were stupid about it, obviously, or they would have caught on in all the time agents were in on it. You just don't deal with strangers. If you haven't known somebody for years, know their lives, what they do and where they live, other people that know them, you don't even TALK about your personal life, not to mention expose youreself to their scrutiny. Half the shwaggers I know are idiots who think anybody who wears tiedye and braids must be 'cool man'. Grow up, we ARE being watched, and its by people who know they have to blend to gain trust. And our war on drugs has nothing to do with where coca plants will grow(mountains of south america, where bad people subjugate citizens to grow and process it), or who's willing to grow enough poppy to supply a million ruined addicts with their need, only the pot trade is really affected by it(meth too, but if you think meth is good you should inject about a gram and do us all a favor). So your all pretty deluded in my book, and your rhetoric weak and overused. If it had remained a music event where people brought their pot and smoked without a bunch of dealing it'd never have gotten raided. Watched maybe, but never raided.
The Schwag is a Grateful Dead tribute band and the fact is that the Grateful Dead and thousands of other wonderful bands emerged in the 1960's as a direct result of the LSD experience, not the marijuana experience. Albert Hoffman, the man who first synthesized LSD-25 and the first man to try it, believed that it was an important discovery in our quest to understand ourselves. We live in a dangerous and bizarre society that on the one hand develops and actually contemplates using horrific nuclear weapons to bring about the Apocalypse with mushroom clouds while at the same time criminalizing and scapegoating people who seek to expand human consciousness and awareness through psychedelic drugs such as the relatively harmless and potentially beneficial psilocybin mushroom species. Humankind needs psychedlic drugs at this time if we are going to try to take action so as not to destroy ourselves. The benefits outweigh the risks when it comes to psychedelic drugs but people like a-non are duped by propaganda generated by the Authoritarian Police State that is holding the Earth hostage with nuclear weapons while at the same engaging in witch hunts against those who propose using tools such as psychedelic drugs to unleash latent psychic potentialities of the human psyche so that we do not destroy ourselves and our planet.
America the Beautiful

Saint Louis, MO

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#11
Nov 20, 2010
 
Anon > they're not taking the land on conjecture alone, they investigated for four years, then made solid busts based on open and obvious exchanges of large amounts of drugs

But Anon, They haven't busted anyone at Camp Zoe. I know this because no authorities are allowed in. No fireman, police or ambulances. When someone needs an ambulance their buddies have to get them to the front gate to get treatment. This isn't about the evils of drugs, hell everyone knows how bad most of that sh*t is and they still do it. This is about the authorities confiscating something because they can't control it and that is wrong. At least 1 attorney is representing Camp Zoe pro bono and I'm sure before this is over there will be several more. The government has plenty of power and they can pretty much do what they want but they have to go through the proper channels and they haven't done that in this case. Lastly, you said I should educate myself about mushrooms and what continued long term abuse of them does, who said anything about using them I only said they weren't imported. Later

“David B. Mueller”

Since: Jul 10

Columbia, Illinois

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#12
Nov 20, 2010
 
a-non wrote:
just because I'm a night owl doesn't make me a chemical fiend, and they're not taking the land on conjecture alone, they investigated for four years, then made solid busts based on open and obvious exchanges of large amounts of drugs. I don't wish any of this on those people, but they were stupid and wreckless to think that just because they were on private property the free for all was ok. And the owner would literally have had to never heard of the event not to know what was happening. As far as the war on drugs, well, even the most liberal and free nations on the planet don't allow the open and rampant free trading of EVERY narcotic on the planet in the private sector, and they NEVER will. And thank god for that, because chemicals destroy lives, cause so much human abuse its pathetic, and kill. As far as mushrooms, you should educate yourself as to what continued long term abuse of them does, its why they're a class x felony. Id give anything for pot to be legal, but the rest belong pretty much where they are. Aside from all that, do you know what killed Garcia? Think he liked it or was proud of it? Like I said, this wasn't a music fest anymore, it was a swap meet, everybody that went, went either to sell, buy, or trade drugs(and there WERE a fairly massive amount of chems involved,that's why they got busted at all), and they were stupid about it, obviously, or they would have caught on in all the time agents were in on it. You just don't deal with strangers. If you haven't known somebody for years, know their lives, what they do and where they live, other people that know them, you don't even TALK about your personal life, not to mention expose youreself to their scrutiny. Half the shwaggers I know are idiots who think anybody who wears tiedye and braids must be 'cool man'. Grow up, we ARE being watched, and its by people who know they have to blend to gain trust. And our war on drugs has nothing to do with where coca plants will grow(mountains of south america, where bad people subjugate citizens to grow and process it), or who's willing to grow enough poppy to supply a million ruined addicts with their need, only the pot trade is really affected by it(meth too, but if you think meth is good you should inject about a gram and do us all a favor). So your all pretty deluded in my book, and your rhetoric weak and overused. If it had remained a music event where people brought their pot and smoked without a bunch of dealing it'd never have gotten raided. Watched maybe, but never raided.
The Schwag is a Grateful Dead tribute band and the Grateful Dead and thousands of other similar cultural entities were inspired by LSD-25 or lysegic acid diethylamine tartrate, not marijuana. The LSD experience, the psilocybe/psilocybin experience, the peyote/mescaline experience, etc, are all similar and can be quite profound. Albert Hoffman, the Swiss chemist who discovered LSD-25 and the first person to "trip" on it, believed that his discovery had much potential to benefit humankind and would help us understand ourselves as never before. We live in a dangerous and bizarre society where on the one hand we manufacture nuclear weapons that can destroy everything with great big mushroom clouds while at the same time we criminalize and slander those who would use relatively harmless mushrooms so as to foster a new mentality so that we love one another and our planet and do not destroy ourselves. The Authoritarian Military Industrial Police Prison State that has emerged in recent decades would have people like a-non believe that psychedelic drugs are a dangerous menace but I believe that nuclear mushroom clouds are way more dangerous than psilocybin mushrooms and I thank the "Holy Spirits" that seem to work through these psychedelic substances for teaching me that.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#13
Nov 20, 2010
 
If people would use well researched drugs like lsd as an occassional device for introspective and reflection that would POSSibly be all well and good, but the fact is that too much acid, all at once or over a period of time, destroys functional minds and creates drags on society, not to mention the paranoid delusions and psychosis that lead to violent behavior in otherwise normal, safe, healthy individuals, and that the average tripper does it too often. I'm a responsible adult who HAS dabbled in different substances in the past, mostly out of curiosity, some of them more than others. While some of them were indeed quite enjoyable, I was smart(and strong) enough to realise the harmful potential they hold, and witnessed the damage they caused first hand to enough of my close friends over the years to understand why there are laws in place. Anybody who doesn't grasp that is stupid, addicted, or, like you, dave, damaged enough, that they aren't thinking clearly and responsibly. I personally think your brilliant and interesting, but also a danger to society, mostly young impressionable minds. You get things sooooooo close to right, then throw in something about dxm aimed at kids so that I wanna see you quieted. Do I think some laws are overblown? Yes, of course. Do I think punishments for end users are too harsh? Is our country steadily becoming an overregulated, overwatched, overmonitored orwellion police state? Obviously. Do I think america should be a hullicinagenic, opiated, cracked out free for all? Never. Neither does anybody else with an inkling of knowledge of history or addiction, except the people who rake it in by subjugating addicts, and the addicts themselves(even most of those get how f*cked up they and their lives are). Most drugs come with dangers that people can't handle or don't understand, and regulation are needed, but addiction needs treatment and care, not punishment and isolation. Pot, the intended focus for this thread, is less noxious than opiates, alcohol, hallucinagens, amphetamines, cocaine, caffeine or cigarettes, and it wasn't why zoe got busted, acting like it was is just as stupid as mixing marijuana and hemp arguments. All THOSE people are overstoned, undereducated halfwits who damage their own(and my) cause.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#14
Nov 20, 2010
 
America the Beautiful wrote:
Anon > they're not taking the land on conjecture alone, they investigated for four years, then made solid busts based on open and obvious exchanges of large amounts of drugs
But Anon, They haven't busted anyone at Camp Zoe. I know this because no authorities are allowed in. No fireman, police or ambulances. When someone needs an ambulance their buddies have to get them to the front gate to get treatment. This isn't about the evils of drugs, hell everyone knows how bad most of that sh*t is and they still do it. This is about the authorities confiscating something because they can't control it and that is wrong. At least 1 attorney is representing Camp Zoe pro bono and I'm sure before this is over there will be several more. The government has plenty of power and they can pretty much do what they want but they have to go through the proper channels and they haven't done that in this case. Lastly, you said I should educate myself about mushrooms and what continued long term abuse of them does, who said anything about using them I only said they weren't imported. Later
. You very obviously weren't at the last event. Undercover agents don't show badges or wear suits. One lawyers not going to do it.
America the Beautiful

Saint Louis, MO

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#15
Nov 20, 2010
 
Anon, if you go to www.campzoe.com , you will see, among other info, that

No arrest warrants have yet been issued for any of the Camp Zoe staff or owners.
Surely if the owner(s) were allowing all this to happen they would charge them with a crime. Apparently no undercover agent(s) witnessed the owner(s) do anything they could charge them for or they surely would have.

They have hired a team of attorneys to represent us on all these matters. I guess they'll have more than 1 lawyer.

This is America and while it will cost Camp Zoe a lot of cash, this won't hold up in court.
outside looking in

Columbia, IL

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#16
Nov 20, 2010
 
WOW! I've been reading up on this situation. What I find crazy is that the federal govmnt cashed out the owners bank account unbeknownst to him. His lawyer is working probono, without this there is no way in hell he could defend himself. What a cheap shot by the feds!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#17
Nov 21, 2010
 
The feds made multiple drug buys in the open and in full view of the owner and staff, that's been enough to close multiple st louis clubs, and is more than enough to prove that they knew what was going on, which is all that's required for forfeiture. And they have 2 years to file charges on some crimes, more for certain others.
About Time

Saint Paul, MN

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#18
Nov 22, 2010
 
No one is above the law. You play with fire, you get burned. Raise your hand if you know it's illegal to smoke pot? Is it illegal to do coke, LSD, etc? If you do those things, and you get busted, you need to accept responsibility and take it like a man. When you run a business (business means "for Profit") then it is your responsibility to make sure nothing illegal happens on your property. I wish the Tebeau family would stop being such cowards. You broke the law. Deal with it.
outside looking in

Columbia, IL

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#19
Nov 22, 2010
 
I can't tell you how many times I've been to riverport (or whatever it's called now) and smelled a strong odor of pot wafting through the air, or have some stranger try to pass me a joint. I guess there's too much commercial interest and money being made for the feds to try to seize that place.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#20
Nov 22, 2010
 
It was pot, and it was being smoked, it wasnt every drug ever made being traded and sold openly. In places where there is real crime, and where the average person and police officer is more in touch with the world they get that the average pot smoker is just that, average. There are better thing to do than create a problem where there isn't one. Zoe wasn't like that. Last year somebody died, and that should have been a warning, but they were to stupid to get it. There's a way to have a drugfest(that's EXACTLY what they were), and a limit to how often you can do it, without bringing serious police attention. The place should have been 21 and up if it wasn't, and should have had security throw people out for doing their dealing in the open. The dealers shouldn't have sold to people they didn't know first hand, and people who created emergencies shouldn't have been allowed back. Its drug dealing 101. Warrants WILL follow, some of them will be big ones. And there will be rats too, telling on their friends, with the repercussions lasting for two or three years. The place is done, and probably any other similar events too in the area.

Tell me when this thread is updated: (Registration is not required)

Add to my Tracker Send me an email

Showing posts 1 - 20 of39
< prev page
|
Go to last page| Jump to page:
Type in your comments below
Name
(appears on your post)
Comments
Characters left: 4000
Type the numbers you see in the image on the right:

Please note by clicking on "Post Comment" you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

•••
•••
•••
•••

Columbia Jobs

•••
Enter and win $5000
•••
•••

Columbia People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

•••

Columbia News, Events & Info

Click for news, events and info in Columbia
•••

Personal Finance

Mortgages [ See current mortgage rates ]
•••