Pay raise is risky business for lawma...

Pay raise is risky business for lawmakers

There are 56 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Feb 4, 2007, titled Pay raise is risky business for lawmakers. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Indiana voters think their lawmakers get overly generous perks. Lawmakers hope to get their first base pay raise in 22 years.

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Marji

Burlington, WI

#43 Feb 4, 2007
You have got to be kidding, right?
Lawmakers, basking in the Miami sun, watching the Colts at the Super Bowl, DO NOT NEED A RAISE!

These people are supposed to be public servants. Yeah, I know, most of the bills passed in the last couple of years sure appeared to be legislation for corporate multinational "economic development for a few super elite rich guys" rather than economic development by and for the majority of Hoosiers.

And, judging from the easy access to Super Bowl tickets, just imagine how many other perks these people rake in--most of them secretly since Daniels eliminated the open meeting law the day he knighted himself Exaulted Ruler Sent from Washington to Capture more Profit Opportunities for Out-of State Multinationals.

We need Senators and Representatives who really represent "we the people", not the offshore bank accounts of Goldman Sachs, and the "privately held" investors who extract everything in sight from gravel to coal, and ruin the water, air, and our health as they laugh all the way to their off-shore banks and mansions.

Hoosier ground water is full of the sewage of 7 million factory hogs, all untreated, and equal to the sewage of 21 million people (since the amount of poop a hog puts out every day equals the average quantity of poop for 3 humans).

The air from Lawrenceburg to Markland to Madison to Evansville is so thick with smog that it shows up hanging in the air from 50 miles away. Just like Los Angeles on a bad day. The huge plumes from the coal-fired electricity generators on the Ohio are three times what they were before Cheney/Bush Incorporated held a secret Energy Task Force Meeting, and granted these coal and oil-fired plants their wish list: 1) permission to quadruple the number of generators at every plant, and 2) quit cleaning up air pollutants, cuz that costs money, and we are at war looking for weapons of mass destruction that Sadam hid, by golly!

Yes, who cares about those RED state people (except for the BLUE people who can afford to fly to Miami to watch football today)? Who cares what economic development does to the air, some dumb Blue tree hugger?

Bush knows Hoosiers will bow when he speaks, irrespective of the Executive Order he issued that allows ALL power plants to dump as many toxins and as much pollution as they wish into southern Indiana's air!!! Cancer don't scare no Hoosier!

After all, this is a RED STATE, and what RED NECK cares about clean air and water. We gotta die of somethun!
The only economic development likely to result from such ignorant, world destroying policies just might be the benefits the pharmaceutical companies will relize selling more asthma drugs.
Mike

United States

#44 Feb 4, 2007
It's a tough call - as the son of a former legislator, my sense is that it's more than just a part-time elected position. At the same time, electeds know the compensation when they opt to seek the opportunity.

Speaker Bauer shouldn't complain or point to the opposing position by calling it a "lie." He's already on the gravy train with Ivy Tech.
Mike

United States

#47 Feb 4, 2007
By the way, state reps who are teachers are not paid their teaching salary during their leaves of absence to serve in the legislature.
Also, as public employees, they are not positioned to draw retirement from both their full-time employment (teaching) and their part-time service in the legislature. A school corporation that has to pay for a substitute teacher is not paying the teacher-legislator during the leave of absence from teaching.
Cindy Colwell

United States

#48 Feb 4, 2007
Until legislature works full time, then full time pay is a ridiculous concept.

Not passing minimum wage increase on those in the poverty area and yet passing a wage increase for elected officials who KNEW what they were getting into when they ran for election is outright cruel.

Work and earn...Convince us you deserve...There should be evaluations by constituents which then earn legislators their increase, and then other perks should be considered as part of their compensation package. Nothing should be changed at this point in time.
terycarl

Indianapolis, IN

#49 Feb 4, 2007
Marji...if you envirowhackos had shut up a few years ago, Marble Hill nuclear reactor would be providing clean electric power....it was you nuts who insisted on coal fired plants
No raises for politicians

Chicago, IL

#50 Feb 4, 2007
They get too much as it is. Plus there's the outrageous perks they get and what they get under the table. Their average salary may be less than that in neighboring states, but those states either have full-time (or at least close to full-time legislatures). So comparing the salaries our legislators get to those of neighboring states is comparing apples and oranges. Ohio's legislators get no expense allowance at all. Do ordinary people get paid from the taxpayers for their food and housing? If they don't think they're making enough here, move to one of the neighboring states and try to get elected there. Of course, since they have much longer sessions, they'd then have to work more. So, you think that making an average salary of over 40,000 would keep the average person from wanting the job? The average person in Indiana makes not much more than half that and most people have to work at least a full-time job (and some have to work second & third jobs also) to get it. Plus they have to pay for their own food, housing, health insurance (if they even have it) & they don't get mileage allowances. Hey, legislators, try living on that! For the average person in Indiana, getting elected to the legislature would be a hugh pay raise and for less work. Kick them out.
Wally

Cincinnati, OH

#51 Feb 4, 2007
Cindy Colwell wrote:
Not passing minimum wage increase on those in the poverty area and yet passing a wage increase for elected officials who KNEW what they were getting into when they ran for election is outright cruel.
Um...minimum wage passed the House and has not yet been considered by the Senate...
Jimmy

Valparaiso, IN

#52 Feb 4, 2007
David wrote:
What planet are you on?$157.00 per day when in session and $54.80 for every other day of the year while they are at home watching a ball game. Yes they make $40k a year plus the other perks we regular citizens will never see unless we pay for them. An average pay of $40,359.29 for a part time job is absurd. this would be considered a decent wage for most hoosier families who work full time. We do not elect our lawmakers to make them wealthy, we elect them to serve the people. They know the pay when they choose to run for office. If they don't like it, don't run... Don't get elected and then try to line your pockets. LIFETIME WEDICAL FOR FAMILY ......PRICELESS
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Lest not forget the greatest perk of all. They are immune from traffic laws while the general assembly is in session!
Mike S

United States

#53 Feb 4, 2007
It's very simple "Justification of wages" without it all businesses would be out of business just do your best and pay for yourself. A government position is one of the few that aren't justified along with most CEO's.
Mike S

United States

#54 Feb 4, 2007
It's simply called "Justification of wages" start with politicians which commonly miss sessions as I understand and many overpaid CEO'S
Larry

AOL

#55 Feb 4, 2007
WHAT DO THEY NEED A RAISE FOR. IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THEY ARE ALL EMPLOYED BY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. THEY NEED TO DO A REVERSAL ON THE PROPERTY TAX LAW THAT FAVORED BUSINESS AND PUT EVEN MORE OF A BURDEN ON THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAX PAYER. WE NEED TO OPPOSE THEM IN THE PRIMARIES AND RID OURSELVE OF THESE SNEAKEY LEACHES. THEY WANT SECURITY THAT THEY DENY US. MORE AND MORE HOOSIERS ARE LOSING THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE AND WHAT DO THEY DO? TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES AND TO HELL WITH THEIR CONSTITUENTS.
bankrupthoosier

Elgin, IL

#56 Feb 5, 2007
The Citizens are held to a higher standard than they are. Recall elections are illegal in Indiana so they can do what they want, any time they want! They have immuned themselves from prosecution, except on the Federal level. The justice for citizens in Indiana is a joke.
Marsha Ford

Indianapolis, IN

#57 Feb 5, 2007
Shouldn't the legislators have to adhere to the same policies pertaining to "perks" as any other state employee. Might be something to investigate.
Reality Check

Kokomo, IN

#58 Feb 6, 2007
Dave B wrote:
These idots deserve NOTHING!!!! They should all be fired. Term Limits folks, 4 years and your out FOR GOOD!! NO MORE GRAVEY TRAIN!!!!
We don't need term limits, we need people to stop being too lazy to pay attention to what's going on and stop voting for the same jokers every time.
Reality Check

Kokomo, IN

#59 Feb 6, 2007
Marji wrote:
You have got to be kidding, right?
Lawmakers, basking in the Miami sun, watching the Colts at the Super Bowl, DO NOT NEED A RAISE!
These people are supposed to be public servants. Yeah, I know, most of the bills passed in the last couple of years sure appeared to be legislation for corporate multinational "economic development for a few super elite rich guys" rather than economic development by and for the majority of Hoosiers.
And, judging from the easy access to Super Bowl tickets, just imagine how many other perks these people rake in--most of them secretly since Daniels eliminated the open meeting law the day he knighted himself Exaulted Ruler Sent from Washington to Capture more Profit Opportunities for Out-of State Multinationals.
We need Senators and Representatives who really represent "we the people", not the offshore bank accounts of Goldman Sachs, and the "privately held" investors who extract everything in sight from gravel to coal, and ruin the water, air, and our health as they laugh all the way to their off-shore banks and mansions.
Hoosier ground water is full of the sewage of 7 million factory hogs, all untreated, and equal to the sewage of 21 million people (since the amount of poop a hog puts out every day equals the average quantity of poop for 3 humans).
The air from Lawrenceburg to Markland to Madison to Evansville is so thick with smog that it shows up hanging in the air from 50 miles away. Just like Los Angeles on a bad day. The huge plumes from the coal-fired electricity generators on the Ohio are three times what they were before Cheney/Bush Incorporated held a secret Energy Task Force Meeting, and granted these coal and oil-fired plants their wish list: 1) permission to quadruple the number of generators at every plant, and 2) quit cleaning up air pollutants, cuz that costs money, and we are at war looking for weapons of mass destruction that Sadam hid, by golly!
Yes, who cares about those RED state people (except for the BLUE people who can afford to fly to Miami to watch football today)? Who cares what economic development does to the air, some dumb Blue tree hugger?
Bush knows Hoosiers will bow when he speaks, irrespective of the Executive Order he issued that allows ALL power plants to dump as many toxins and as much pollution as they wish into southern Indiana's air!!! Cancer don't scare no Hoosier!
After all, this is a RED STATE, and what RED NECK cares about clean air and water. We gotta die of somethun!
The only economic development likely to result from such ignorant, world destroying policies just might be the benefits the pharmaceutical companies will relize selling more asthma drugs.
You know, a good anti-psychotic like Haldol can help you with some of your issues. Oh, and by the way, Ray-proof Aluminum hats are on sale at Macy's.
never surprised

Winamac, IN

#60 Feb 6, 2007
Out with all the bums-this shows their true colors, they are there to make a living (not a difference). And if their pay was performance based (as Mitch has implemented for state employess) then they all would be fired.

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