Conning police nets prison time Teen ...

Conning police nets prison time Teen made phony undercover drug...

There are 62 comments on the Fredericksburg.com story from Apr 27, 2012, titled Conning police nets prison time Teen made phony undercover drug.... In it, Fredericksburg.com reports that:

A young man who conned police by offering to help them recover a stolen police weapon that he already had was ordered Thursday to serve two and a half years in prison.

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“Dope Is Dope”

Since: Dec 09

Colonial Beach and Wash DC

#41 Jul 27, 2012
Good spin, I love your supposition with the IF :)
A little thought and TOP (Time On Planet) will poke holes in your conclusions. In the end you have transormed the situation into a conspiracy that now involves VSP :) Accepting a plea agreement normally results in charges being dropped and or downgraded, Felon in possession is not eye candy.
It COULD be what you are aluding to, but I doubt it. There is no payoff for KGC WCSO or VSP in any cover-up for CBPD. That's just too far a stretch :)

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Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#42 Jul 27, 2012
I must say ‘AngstFilledMind’ that, that is an impressive piece of investigative journalism.

I think we have another James Risen here on Topix (James Risen is a Pulitzer Prize-winning American journalist for The New York Times).

It is such reporting, through one's own initiative and work product, matters of importance to readers, viewers or listeners."

In many cases, the subjects (as AngstFilledMind tells us) of the reporting wish the matters under scrutiny to remain undisclosed.

“Dope Is Dope”

Since: Dec 09

Colonial Beach and Wash DC

#43 Jul 27, 2012
Masterscout wrote:
I must say ‘AngstFilledMind’ that, that is an impressive piece of investigative journalism.
I think we have another James Risen here on Topix (James Risen is a Pulitzer Prize-winning American journalist for The New York Times).
It is such reporting, through one's own initiative and work product, matters of importance to readers, viewers or listeners."
In many cases, the subjects (as AngstFilledMind tells us) of the reporting wish the matters under scrutiny to remain undisclosed.
YOU get NO BREAK from the "judges", at no time :)
He did come out to play w/an ID, which is a big improvement :)

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#44 Jul 27, 2012
WTCSRET wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU get NO BREAK from the "judges", at no time :)
He did come out to play w/an ID, which is a big improvement :)
Don't necessarily disagree with you James, I was just complimenting him/her on what appears to be a valid, sincere, attempt at Investigative Journalism… true?
wtcsret

Goose Creek, SC

#45 Jul 27, 2012
Masterscout wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't necessarily disagree with you James, I was just complimenting him/her on what appears to be a valid, sincere, attempt at Investigative Journalism… true?
Yes, that you did :)

Since: Jul 12

Fredericksburg, VA

#46 Jul 27, 2012
WTCSRET wrote:
Good spin, I love your supposition with the IF :)
A little thought and TOP (Time On Planet) will poke holes in your conclusions. In the end you have transormed the situation into a conspiracy that now involves VSP :) Accepting a plea agreement normally results in charges being dropped and or downgraded, Felon in possession is not eye candy.
It COULD be what you are aluding to, but I doubt it. There is no payoff for KGC WCSO or VSP in any cover-up for CBPD. That's just too far a stretch :)
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...
WTCSRET - "Conspiracy" is your word, not mine. And the "IF" is not spin. Law enforcement's decision not to arrest and charge Hill with the larceny (and Westmoreland Commonwealth's Attorney's decision not to bring a Grand Jury indictment in place of arrest), led to Hill remaining free to commit additional crimes - which he did. I would not use the word "conspiracy" as you seem to define it. I would describe it as an incident of gross police incompetence (an unsecured, very deadly weapon) followed by piss-poor law enforcement and prosecutorial decisions (with a possible motive to avoid public disclosure) that resulted in an individual who committed a provable criminal act (the theft of the weapon) remaining free (and possibly emboldened by his treatment in the theft of the weapon) to commit additional crimes. It's not a conspiracy. It's a synergy of gross incompetence and poor prosecutorial decision-making leading to a reasonably predictable outcome. Follow the facts.

VSP assisted in the investigation and arrest. The decision to arrest, charge, indict, or prosecute Hill is a LOCAL decision to Westmoreland County and the Commonwealth's Attorney's office. Again, "conspiracy" is your word, not mine.

I've worked with criminal prosecution and defense for years and have done investigative "cops and courts" reporting. Dropping the receiving/buying stolen goods charge does not surprise me at all; however, refusing to arrest, charge, indict, or prosecute Hill for his role in the underlying offense (grand larceny of a firearm - up to 20 years on that charge alone) definitely does. What's YOUR explanation for Hill walking free despite confessing to the crime?

Before you respond to that, be sure to consider the extensive history of incompetence, misconduct, malfeasance, and outright criminal acts committed by law enforcement in CB/Westmoreland County. And to preempt your typical "show me the facts" response, here are a few examples from the last ten years: DOJ prosecution of former Chief Turner and accompanying civil lawsuit (all dismissed, but with scathing comments from the judge about doctoring evidence); two malicious prosecution claims against Westmoreland Sheriff's Deputies (one in 2006 -$500k judgment against the deputy; one ongoing right NOW scheduled for trial in September); former CB officer arrested on drug charges; former CB officer arrested on sexual abuse charges (not guilty at trial); current CB officer facing DUI charges; Town Council public condemnation of the CB PD in 2007 after the Turner fiasco; recent concerns from citizens about the stolen weapon and CB PD driving through town in a reckless manner brought to the Town Council's attention last month. Throw in the unbelievable turnover in CB PD (especially chiefs); Westmoreland Sheriff's Office; and the Commonwealth's Attorney's Office, and the pieces paint a very bleak picture.

Municipalities many times the size of CB/Westmoreland do not have constantly recurring issues like this at all. It's indicative of management failures, institutional failures, political indifference, unprofessional conduct and supervision, and gross incompetence. The issues are all public, but no one has examined what these "isolated" incidents seem to indicate. That won't happen until the citizens are fully aware of what is occurring and start demanding answers and system-wide improvements.

“Dope Is Dope”

Since: Dec 09

Colonial Beach and Wash DC

#47 Jul 27, 2012
"What's YOUR explanation for Hill walking free despite confessing to the crime?"

When he went to the table he had a BIG fish on his string :)

Your turn over (less CBPD) might coincide with the election cycle.

I can see your NOT a big fan of NNLEO. I had you pegged as a anybody but Blevens fan.

Your LEOs don't look bad from 67/477 NDIF, but I could be wrong :)

Since: Jul 12

Fredericksburg, VA

#48 Jul 28, 2012
Well, Hill just got indicted on Capital Murder for the March 24 break-in. The victim must have died. Wonder what would have happened if he had been indicted and prosecuted on the rifle theft last year? An innocent man would likely still be alive.

“Dope Is Dope”

Since: Dec 09

Colonial Beach and Wash DC

#49 Jul 29, 2012
angstfilledmind wrote:
Well, Hill just got indicted on Capital Murder for the March 24 break-in. The victim must have died. Wonder what would have happened if he had been indicted and prosecuted on the rifle theft last year? An innocent man would likely still be alive.
It will be interesting to see if there was a documented confession. I'd bet he made a verbal statement to a investigator but would not sign a written statement. WCSO might not have had any other evidence except a VERBAL STATEMENT to act on. I don't see an arrest in either W/KG for even possession. If there is a documented confession the county prosecutor may as well start to clean out his desk :)
fyi

King George, VA

#50 Jul 29, 2012
WTCSRET wrote:
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It will be interesting to see if there was a documented confession. I'd bet he made a verbal statement to a investigator but would not sign a written statement. WCSO might not have had any other evidence except a VERBAL STATEMENT to act on. I don't see an arrest in either W/KG for even possession. If there is a documented confession the county prosecutor may as well start to clean out his desk :)
U wont see anything...Mr Hill was a juvenile when all this occured and the latest victim is very much alive and was prepared to testify at preliminary hearing. Seems not all know everything.
Just Me

Gloucester, VA

#51 Jul 29, 2012
I just want to know why Daddy & Son Blevins had the taxpayers buy them new cars?
the truth is

Washington, DC

#52 Jul 29, 2012
Actually Blevins jr car is not new it is an older model with higher milage. He gave up the newer car so that the officers can have a better car to drive. So not everything is as it seems. So just me stop trying to stir the pot when u dont have a clue what u r talking about!
wtcsret

Goose Creek, SC

#54 Jul 29, 2012
OH!(CP&S) Cut Paste & Space
Poison: Word Processor or Spreadsheet :)
coffee man

Irvington, VA

#55 Jul 29, 2012
the truth is wrote:
Actually Blevins jr car is not new it is an older model with higher milage. He gave up the newer car so that the officers can have a better car to drive. So not everything is as it seems. So just me stop trying to stir the pot when u dont have a clue what u r talking about!
Do all take there cars home? Where do they live? I see CB Police car going through down town King George all the time.That is a lot of expense and wear and tear. Westmoreland Co.PLEASE help us!!!

Since: Jul 12

Fredericksburg, VA

#57 Jul 29, 2012
Apparently, the Westmoreland Circuit Court clerk might be entering attempts as completed acts, which seems a somewhat ridiculous filing practice for public documents.(Ex: attempted capital murder entered as capital murder) The commonwealth's attorney seems to throw attempted capital murder charges like candy canes at a Christmas parade, though I will concede that the law does support the charge.

So the original questions remain:

1). Juvenile or not, why was Hill not charged in connection with the stolen firearm when Sneed was charged with the possession/receipt of the stolen firearm last year in August? Of, if he was charged and prosecuted in JDR Court, which has sealed records, did he receive any sort of appropriate penalty? Grand larceny of a firearm is still a felony carrying a penalty of up to 20 years.

2). What action was taken against the officer entrusted with the firearm, who apparently did not even know which day it was stolen (May 2 OR 3, 2011)?
because

Gloucester, VA

#58 Jul 29, 2012
coffee man wrote:
<quoted text>Do all take there cars home? Where do they live? I see CB Police car going through down town King George all the time.That is a lot of expense and wear and tear. Westmoreland Co.PLEASE help us!!!
Yes, they take their cars home, to Fredericksburg, King George, Caroline, etc.

“Dope Is Dope”

Since: Dec 09

Colonial Beach and Wash DC

#59 Jul 29, 2012
This thing is a Chinese Fire Drill and the Red Cross shows up with Soup Sandwiches :)
Not so

Smithfield, VA

#60 Jul 30, 2012
2). What action was taken against the officer entrusted with the firearm, who apparently did not even know which day it was stolen (May 2 OR 3, 2011)?

He was given a promotion.

“Dope Is Dope”

Since: Dec 09

Colonial Beach and Wash DC

#61 Jul 30, 2012
Not so wrote:
2). What action was taken against the officer entrusted with the firearm, who apparently did not even know which day it was stolen (May 2 OR 3, 2011)?
He was given a promotion.
Well in this funky old world it's either the "Peter Principal" at work or Paul Harvey has not spoken :)

Since: Jul 12

Fredericksburg, VA

#62 Jul 30, 2012
Not so wrote:
2). What action was taken against the officer entrusted with the firearm, who apparently did not even know which day it was stolen (May 2 OR 3, 2011)?
He was given a promotion.
I had heard that he was promoted. Can someone explain that logic to me?

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