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New home for unwed mothers in works The Paul Stefan Foundation is...

There are 85 comments on the Fredericksburg.com story from Dec 8, 2012, titled New home for unwed mothers in works The Paul Stefan Foundation is.... In it, Fredericksburg.com reports that:

The Paul Stefan Foundation is hoping to expand its efforts to help unwed mothers by opening a home in Colonial Beach.

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HB Rules

Virginia Beach, VA

#64 Dec 19, 2012
Riverwood Management wrote:
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Not sure how you figure Riverwood has held this town back. We pay almost $90K a year between taxes, water & sewer. We provide housing for ALL low income (seniors, disabled, single mothers and married couples). We are not the only subsidized housing. The Meadows is section-8 and Colonial Beach Village Apartments is Rural Development Section 515. In this economy most people need some kind of help. Why not volunteer and see what is really going on in the town.
The last I heard is it cost the tax payer about 8k per kid to educate in local school. That just school alone. How many hours do we spend with police fire and rescue in Riverwood to never be reimbursed. Riverwood is a giant black hole sucking money for what?
HB Rules

Virginia Beach, VA

#65 Dec 19, 2012
smartassofficial wrote:
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No, they are not willing to fix the building. They are hypocrites. Most don't read and view this as some sort of home for the lazy. It is a project that the Catholic church has initiated to care for young mothers who do not want to have abortions... I know this because I can read. Deep down the 'Neck there is a place called the "Haven" which is a place for victims of spousal abuse to go and feel comfortable. Do those people leave the "Haven" to purchase groceries and thus pay taxes? Probably not. Nor do their neighbors feel the need to bitch and complain about a good, decent program. Not everything good in this world is done for love of money. I ask again to the moron posters: Please read. Please justify your anti-abortion stance yet having a problem with this project. Would you prefer an abortion clinic that "gives back" to the Town by paying taxes???
Never really been a fan of abortion but I guess it is a way to keep the numbers down between the givers and takers of society. Based on current trends I think many might want to support plan parent hood and others on the left who want to offer paid abortions for certain segemnets of society.
Business

Derwood, MD

#66 Dec 19, 2012
HB Rules wrote:
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Never really been a fan of abortion but I guess it is a way to keep the numbers down between the givers and takers of society. Based on current trends I think many might want to support plan parent hood and others on the left who want to offer paid abortions for certain segemnets of society.
If you get a chance, pick up the book titled " The Rogue Economist". There is a chapter dedicated to exactly what you are aluding to.
Riverwood Management

Roanoke, VA

#67 Dec 19, 2012
HB Rules wrote:
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The last I heard is it cost the tax payer about 8k per kid to educate in local school. That just school alone. How many hours do we spend with police fire and rescue in Riverwood to never be reimbursed. Riverwood is a giant black hole sucking money for what?
I can guarantee you that the police, fire and rescue don't spend nearly as many hours here as they do in other parts of the town. My tenants pay taxes just like you do, so they are paying the bill just like you do. I have a real issue with you saying we are "a giant black hole sucking money for what?". The people that live here are human beings, just like you are. They haven't done anything to you. Just because they can't afford a house, doesn't mean they don't deserve to live in Colonial Beach and their children have the right to an education. You really need to get off your high horse.
HB Rules

King George, VA

#68 Dec 19, 2012
Riverwood Management wrote:
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I can guarantee you that the police, fire and rescue don't spend nearly as many hours here as they do in other parts of the town. My tenants pay taxes just like you do, so they are paying the bill just like you do. I have a real issue with you saying we are "a giant black hole sucking money for what?". The people that live here are human beings, just like you are. They haven't done anything to you. Just because they can't afford a house, doesn't mean they don't deserve to live in Colonial Beach and their children have the right to an education. You really need to get off your high horse.
When did housing and education get included in the bill of rights? I think what you are refering to is a need for housing and education. Responsible people who dont suck from society pay for their own needs. What do you do?
Confused

Colonial Beach, VA

#69 Dec 19, 2012
HB Rules, who paid for your education? Do you know anyone who's been raped? Have you ever been beaten by a partner? What would you do if you were pregnant with no one to help support you situation?
These folks didn't become pregnant on their own. Where are the men, real men who support helping those who need it. In this case. the support comes from volunteers and services that are available to anyone who needs them. Get a life!
Business

Washington, DC

#70 Dec 19, 2012
Heres my idea for the evening........Stop shooting out kids like a pez dispenser if you can not afford them.
DAH

Colonial Beach, VA

#71 Dec 19, 2012
This discussion is not helpful. Wishful thinking does not help those in need. If nothing else, think about the children.
John G

King George, VA

#72 Dec 19, 2012
HB Rules wrote:
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When did housing and education get included in the bill of rights? I think what you are refering to is a need for housing and education. Responsible people who dont suck from society pay for their own needs. What do you do?
HB...education is now considered a human right according to international law. FDR made reference to it as a "right" during his "Second Bill of Rights" speech. Not that it matters much, everything is a right these days, at least to those who cannot afford it. If education was a right, why do I pay for it?

People who ended up in Riverwood made that choice to be there. How many residents there have a PhD degree or any degree for that matter as compared to HS degree, GED or just plain dropped out? Those who end up in Riverwood had the chance from grade 1 to apply themselves and did they? I would be shocked to see a PhD living there. Even if school wasn't their calling, there is good money to be had in the Trades and Skilled labor and is good honorable work. Should people like myself pay more, which means work harder to support those who made a bad choice in life? Why should I help pay for their medical coverage and get taxed again on top of that because I had a cadillac plan. My level of health care either goes down or I pay more for it so those who made poor choices in life can live longer and force more of us who made smart choices in life to toil for their sake even longer?

I am not the one who wouldn't shut her legs
I am not the one who wouldn't wear a condom
I am not the one who committed a crime
I am not the one stuck in a minimum wage job
I am not the "manager" who gets their wage by making a business out of the poor

I am the one who goes out each day and has my work taxed in part to support those listed above. I will close this tirade with the following, the days of living off the backs of others are waning.

WOW

King George, VA

#73 Dec 19, 2012
I don't really believe what I have read here..Most people who have made a good life for themselves don't mind and are very willing to help others. What should I think about all of you who have nothing good to say... maybe you are not as well off as you think and you may find yourself in line with the ones you talk so badly about. Yes we need to take care of our families first, but when I see a need that I feel needs help and I can afford to support I will. Yes like most of you I pay taxes and yes I do feel some of that money gets wasted. I also feel good that was able to help someone old on a fixed income, someone who has not had a good life...I don't feel I need to ask that person why. Just want to know I helped another person get by another day. Did you all not hear the words
GOOD WILL You get out of life what you put in and it has nothing to do with Money! When you are ready to Die you will remember what you did over your life time & I hope you all will have a good feeling about your self at that time because you will not have time left to be able to change anything. You should give from your heart nothing is a sure thing in life. You may be the next person in that line!
LeoN

Alexandria, VA

#74 Dec 20, 2012
WOW wrote:
I don't really believe what I have read here..Most people who have made a good life for themselves don't mind and are very willing to help others. What should I think about all of you who have nothing good to say... maybe you are not as well off as you think and you may find yourself in line with the ones you talk so badly about. Yes we need to take care of our families first, but when I see a need that I feel needs help and I can afford to support I will. Yes like most of you I pay taxes and yes I do feel some of that money gets wasted. I also feel good that was able to help someone old on a fixed income, someone who has not had a good life...I don't feel I need to ask that person why. Just want to know I helped another person get by another day. Did you all not hear the words
GOOD WILL You get out of life what you put in and it has nothing to do with Money! When you are ready to Die you will remember what you did over your life time & I hope you all will have a good feeling about your self at that time because you will not have time left to be able to change anything. You should give from your heart nothing is a sure thing in life. You may be the next person in that line!
Ditto.
How many of you complainers here went to a public school? That was tax money used for YOUR education.
So u were on the dole. Your parents could have paid for your education at a private school, but no u chose to b on the dole. So guess what u r like the ones u r complaining about.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#75 Dec 20, 2012
Maybe someone can explain how a discussion thread based on an article about a privately funded non-profit's efforts to help unwed mothers has turned into a debate over taxpayer-funded entitlement programs.

I have my own opinions on the subject, but since none of that pertains to this effort here I'll save that for another day.

Can we get back to the issue at hand?
John G

Laurel, MD

#76 Dec 20, 2012
LeoN wrote:
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Ditto.
How many of you complainers here went to a public school? That was tax money used for YOUR education.
So u were on the dole. Your parents could have paid for your education at a private school, but no u chose to b on the dole. So guess what u r like the ones u r complaining about.
I attended a private school while my parents continued to pay property taxes on two houses inclusing school levies.

Saying that attending public education is akin to being on the dole is not an accurate statement. There is no voucher program that would allow a parent to be compensated their portion of taxes that go into funding their child's education. To say the complainers are the same as the freeloaders is also inaccurate. Let's break out a profit and loss statement on every child that comes from a family that is on public assistance and compare the costs of those programs compared to the costs associated with a family who recieves no public assistance and sends their child to public education. You are forced to pay one way or another for public education wheter your child attends or not, and will continue to pay after that child leaves the school. The system is not set up as college goes. There after four or eight years, you no longer pay, unless you took out a loan and will then continue to pay. Utilizing a system that one pays into and will continue to pay into once your child leaves the system is a different matter when compared to the public assistance crowd that relies upon others to support their family because either they cannot or will not do so themselves.
John G

Laurel, MD

#77 Dec 20, 2012
Tim Curtin wrote:
Maybe someone can explain how a discussion thread based on an article about a privately funded non-profit's efforts to help unwed mothers has turned into a debate over taxpayer-funded entitlement programs.
I have my own opinions on the subject, but since none of that pertains to this effort here I'll save that for another day.
Can we get back to the issue at hand?
Tim,

This thread has not been hijacked just yet. The conversation has evolved to include taxpayer funded charity. The proposal on the table in regards to the town turning over a building to be used by a private foundation is far less costly than a taxpayer funded program such as is currently being discussed.
Bill P

King George, VA

#78 Dec 20, 2012
I thought beach gate inn was a unwed mother housing.
HB Rules

King George, VA

#80 Dec 24, 2012
What happens when there is more takers than givers?

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#81 Dec 24, 2012
Tim Curtin wrote:
Maybe someone can explain how a discussion thread based on an article about a privately funded non-profit's efforts to help unwed mothers has turned into a debate over taxpayer-funded entitlement programs.
I have my own opinions on the subject, but since none of that pertains to this effort here I'll save that for another day.
Can we get back to the issue at hand?
Agree Tim... the issue at hand seems to be whether or not the town finds this to be a worthy "cause"... as I stated, the Paul Stefan (sp) in the 'Burg, from my limited knowlege, does not receive any form of subsidy. I am assuming this project wouldn't either. Many of the folks commenting on this thread have said publicly that they are "pro-life"... this project embodies that sentiment, yet for some reason, the conversation morphed into a pissing match about taxpayer subsidies and the topic at hand waived bye-bye. Does the project need taxpayer money? Do the citizens support a safe place for single mothers to go when faced with the choice of parenthood? The answers, while simple to me, seem to be difficult for others to understand.
Luv the Beach

Ashton, MD

#82 Dec 24, 2012
Really, who is not pro-life? Would anyone given the choice, pick death for the innocent? As a community of people, we need to give unwed mothers, but more importantly, the new life, a choice that is more attractive than abortion. This house is one option and possibly the best for the mother, as a safe haven, but not a long-term solution for the mother or the baby. Being able to breed is dramatically different than being able to parent. The goal of this house should be the long-term stability for the mother and the new life; and adoption needs to be one of the options. If anyone has seen the movie Juno...it depects responsibility at the appropriate levels.

I am for this house, if we as a town, make sure it is a safe haven, but not a flop house for mother's who can't take responsibility for the long-term safety and care of themselves and the new life.

WrongPlace

King George, VA

#83 Dec 24, 2012
Regardless of anyones feelings on this issue the fact is "Great Resource, Wrong Place" why would CB be chosen for this, hmmm, maybe because we are an easy target for another freeloader program which we get to share with all of our family and friends who come to visit. Is it not bad enough to see all the unemployed walking around during the day with beer and cigs...now throw in some unwed 15 year olds with their beer and cigs...maybe they will hangout in front of Hightides and their kids can listen to free bands. Enough is enough, the Council needs to step up and quit playing this game of hey they are gonna fix up this building...then drag down the rest of the neighborhood.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#84 Dec 24, 2012
WrongPlace wrote:
Regardless of anyones feelings on this issue the fact is "Great Resource, Wrong Place" why would CB be chosen for this, hmmm, maybe because we are an easy target for another freeloader program which we get to share with all of our family and friends who come to visit. Is it not bad enough to see all the unemployed walking around during the day with beer and cigs...now throw in some unwed 15 year olds with their beer and cigs...maybe they will hangout in front of Hightides and their kids can listen to free bands. Enough is enough, the Council needs to step up and quit playing this game of hey they are gonna fix up this building...then drag down the rest of the neighborhood.
Not a "freeloader" program.. uggh. Scenario: Girl gets pregnant. Parents kick her out of house. She doesn't want an abortion. She can go to this place and feel comfortable. Funded by donations and Catholic Church. I know most on Topix have lived perfect lives, never smoked grass, don't swear, only had sex to procreate, go to church every Sunday, blah blah blah... but some folks in the real world make mistakes.

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