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Audio analysis offers new take on Kent tragedy | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 31 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from May 9, 2010, titled Audio analysis offers new take on Kent tragedy | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

The Ohio National Guardsmen who fired on students and antiwar protesters at Kent State University on May 4, 1970, were given an order to prepare to shoot, according to a new analysis of a 40-year-old audio tape of the event.

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David Nixon

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#2 May 9, 2010
snuff them wrote:
Tin Soldiers & Nixon - 13 (4)
Protesting Rabble - 0
FINAL
If you are inclined to make tasteless jokes, could you try to be a little more original?
We've been hearing that same tired "joke" since about, oh, May 5, 1970. Maybe you could try to use your comedic talents to tell the story of Allison Krause, who was shot in the back by the Guard, or Army ROTC student William Schroeder who was shot to death by the Guard, or Jeffrey Miller who was shouting at the Guard utilizing his rights under the First Amendment, or maybe even speech therapy major Sandra Scheuer, shot in the back; each of these was unarmed. Or maybe even find humor in Dean Kahler's being confined to a wheelchair after being paralyzed by a bullet fired by the Guard. These are just a few examples you might consider.
snuff them

Blacklick, OH

#3 May 9, 2010
David Nixon wrote:
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If you are inclined to make tasteless jokes, could you try to be a little more original?
We've been hearing that same tired "joke" since about, oh, May 5, 1970. Maybe you could try to use your comedic talents to tell the story of Allison Krause, who was shot in the back by the Guard, or Army ROTC student William Schroeder who was shot to death by the Guard, or Jeffrey Miller who was shouting at the Guard utilizing his rights under the First Amendment, or maybe even speech therapy major Sandra Scheuer, shot in the back; each of these was unarmed. Or maybe even find humor in Dean Kahler's being confined to a wheelchair after being paralyzed by a bullet fired by the Guard. These are just a few examples you might consider.
I don't have to do a thing except sit here and laugh. Your post is a real hoot! You are a true master of comedy!
Tired of Idiots

Columbus, OH

#4 May 9, 2010
Snuff them:
Why don't you slither away from your keyboard so we don't have to read your comments. I'd ask you to walk away, but you seem to be a lower order of life form.
anonymous

Dublin, OH

#6 May 9, 2010
snuff them wrote:
Tin Soldiers & Nixon - 13 (4)
Protesting Rabble - 0
FINAL
Translation: "Gibblty gobblty gelp gelp AMURICA AMURICA dang dong hippies... I'm really old and bitter."
anonymous

Dublin, OH

#7 May 9, 2010
ACE_ wrote:
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Blah, blah, blah. The same crap being written for 40 years. In those days at various Universities students were protesting and spitting and throwing things at the police and the National Guard. You forgot to mention the Public property that had been burned in Kent before the Mayor ask for Guard help.
I personally witnessed on High street in Columbus, Ohio in the University area people doing all of the above mentioned and upsetting a car and burning it. How would you have felt if you had to get out of your turned over car before it was burned?
Again, I was there as a witness. I really wanted to whip some of those protesters.
Oh yeah, and we should totally roll out the military to slaughter American citizens for spitting on police and committing property crimes. That's not 1984-ish or anything.
lwd

Columbus, OH

#8 May 9, 2010
I was also a witness on High Street. I witnessed tear gas thrown onto front porches where young people had come out to see what was going on, and they were not even heckling, just curious, nor in anyone's way. On the other hand, probably because I was wearing a dress and heels instead of jeans and T-shirt, I was escorted courteously back to my car. There was a real "Them and Us" mentality going on, for those who don't remember - or whose memory is selective. Most of those kids are probably today's Conservatives, in the usual way of things.
David Nixon

Columbus, OH

#11 May 9, 2010
ACE_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Blah, blah, blah. The same crap being written for 40 years. In those days at various Universities students were protesting and spitting and throwing things at the police and the National Guard. You forgot to mention the Public property that had been burned in Kent before the Mayor ask for Guard help.
I personally witnessed on High street in Columbus, Ohio in the University area people doing all of the above mentioned and upsetting a car and burning it. How would you have felt if you had to get out of your turned over car before it was burned?
Again, I was there as a witness. I really wanted to whip some of those protesters.
Surely you are not saying that the use of lethal force against unarmed students is justified because of property crimes committed by others?
David Nixon

Columbus, OH

#12 May 9, 2010
ACE_ wrote:
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Yes I am a Conservative. Was then am now and I still want to whip their arse's.
It is difficult to understand why any conservative would support this malfeasance on the part of the State of Ohio. Conservatives, among whom I count myself, generally believe in restraining government through the rule of law, particularly by respecting the Constitution. In light of that, it is difficult to understand how depriving unarmed students of their due process rights was justifiable.
time to move on

Blacklick, OH

#13 May 9, 2010
40 yrs. later and people still whine about this. Does knowing now change what happened then?
Topper

Columbus, OH

#14 May 9, 2010
lwd wrote:
I was also a witness on High Street. I witnessed tear gas thrown onto front porches where young people had come out to see what was going on, and they were not even heckling, just curious, nor in anyone's way. On the other hand, probably because I was wearing a dress and heels instead of jeans and T-shirt, I was escorted courteously back to my car. There was a real "Them and Us" mentality going on, for those who don't remember - or whose memory is selective. Most of those kids are probably today's Conservatives, in the usual way of things.
No rioters....Just "innocent" students,seeing what was going on".....

Who looted all those businesses??And burned the buildings???
Not Me....Not Me...I was "just seeing what was going on"....
BULL !!!!!!
Parasite Government

United States

#15 May 9, 2010
Sounds like protestors smell money in the air, what with one of their own "Blame America First" types in the White House, and running the U.S. Justice Department.

Give it a rest - both parties in the event were in the wrong, and bad things happen when you disobey poorly trained, heavily armed young men.
Reader

Columbus, OH

#16 May 9, 2010
ACE_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Blah, blah, blah. The same crap being written for 40 years. In those days at various Universities students were protesting and spitting and throwing things at the police and the National Guard. You forgot to mention the Public property that had been burned in Kent before the Mayor ask for Guard help.
I personally witnessed on High street in Columbus, Ohio in the University area people doing all of the above mentioned and upsetting a car and burning it. How would you have felt if you had to get out of your turned over car before it was burned?
Again, I was there as a witness. I really wanted to whip some of those protesters.
You're right, it was so much worse then. At that time there were students protesting a war that they disagreed with, as many of their classmates were being drafted to serve. Today those things just mean that someone just won (or lost) a football game.
Reader

Columbus, OH

#17 May 9, 2010
ACE_ wrote:
<quoted text>
We didn't roll out the Military nor slaughter anyone. They were spitting, throwing bottles and whatever and Burning buildings and that was way before 1984 Mr History Revisionist.
Maybe I don't understand the word slaughter, but I had always understood that four students were killed that day. Perhaps there is a newer version of history?
former guardsmen

Columbus, OH

#18 May 9, 2010
David Nixon wrote:
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Surely you are not saying that the use of lethal force against unarmed students is justified because of property crimes committed by others?
rocks and bottles is not unarmed
Bill

Columbus, OH

#19 May 9, 2010
Unfortunately for everyone involved, students, guardsmen, etc. people were in the wrong place at the wrong time. While the right to protest anything still exists, anytime large groups of unruly people get together such things as the shootings at Kent State can and will happen. Feel lucky they didn't attempt something like this in the old Soviet Union or China because many more would have been shot and killed.
David Nixon

Columbus, OH

#20 May 9, 2010
time to move on wrote:
40 yrs. later and people still whine about this. Does knowing now change what happened then?
It matters to the families and friends of those killed and wounded, as well as to the wounded survivors. Ignoring this important event in the history of Ohio and the nation is like ignoring the battle of Gettysburg. Both were watershed moments in time of war.
Pogo

Columbus, OH

#21 May 9, 2010
According to Snuff Them and his supporters it was perfectly justifiable to shoot a young lady fleeing the scene in the back. What courage and bravery that must have taken. Was he awarded a medal?

"We have met the enemy and he is us".

David Nixon

Columbus, OH

#22 May 9, 2010
former guardsmen wrote:
<quoted text>rocks and bottles is not unarmed
Do you have proof that any of the people who were shot actually threw anything at the National Guard?
David Nixon

Columbus, OH

#23 May 9, 2010
ACE_ wrote:
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We didn't roll out the Military nor slaughter anyone. They were spitting, throwing bottles and whatever and Burning buildings and that was way before 1984 Mr History Revisionist.
I think the "1984" reference was an allusion to a book by that title, rather than a specific year. You may find it interesting.
David Nixon

Columbus, OH

#24 May 9, 2010
Bill wrote:
Unfortunately for everyone involved, students, guardsmen, etc. people were in the wrong place at the wrong time. While the right to protest anything still exists, anytime large groups of unruly people get together such things as the shootings at Kent State can and will happen. Feel lucky they didn't attempt something like this in the old Soviet Union or China because many more would have been shot and killed.
That's not the America I was raised in, nor is it the Constitution I swore to uphold as a Marine platoon commander. I was taught to protect the rights, dignity and property of people and not to kill anyone unless they threatened me with lethal force. Maybe my America died on May 4, 1970. If so, it is time to resurrect it.

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