Lessons on Baptism

[Arron]

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A baptism question please Help
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Coming in Contact With the Blood of Christ
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You can also go to - thetruthinlove.com

[Barnsweb]

I think you might consider studying these out and adding to the list?

Baptism and the promise of God to Abraham
Baptism in relation to discipleship
Baptism in the great commission

[Barnsweb]

And

Don't chop the promise of God in half

[Barnsweb]

and possibly

Is Jesus really His name?

[walkinginlove]

How about a lesson on how Simon was baptized but had an unchanged heart, thus offered money for control of the power of the Holy Spirit, thus showing he was still unsaved.

[SeekingWanderer]

walkinginlove wrote:

How about a lesson on how Simon was baptized but had an unchanged heart, thus offered money for control of the power of the Holy Spirit, thus showing he was still unsaved.

Does it SAY that Simon was unsaved? Or did Peter say Simon needed to repent? Hmmmm... The Bible says Simon "believed" and was "baptized"; so does that mean that the "belief" didn't take? Or that the "baptism" didn't take? Which part of what Simon did to obtain salvation failed?

[regina steele marrs]

SeekingWanderer wrote:

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Does it SAY that Simon was unsaved? Or did Peter say Simon needed to repent? Hmmmm... The Bible says Simon "believed" and was "baptized"; so does that mean that the "belief" didn't take? Or that the "baptism" didn't take? Which part of what Simon did to obtain salvation failed?

Do you think Simon was in line, for the Apostles to lay hands on him to receive the Holy Ghost?

Do you think a person can lose their salvation or once saved , always saved? If so, lets tear that part out, about blaspheming the Holy Ghost, Jesus spoke of, and no forgiveness for.

[RPC]

SeekingWanderer wrote:

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Does it SAY that Simon was unsaved? Or did Peter say Simon needed to repent? Hmmmm... The Bible says Simon "believed" and was "baptized"; so does that mean that the "belief" didn't take? Or that the "baptism" didn't take? Which part of what Simon did to obtain salvation failed?

I agree. Simon obviously was a believer at one time but allowed his lust for the miraculous to take over his heart. Thus he needed only repent of that sin. It seems to be a good example of what a fallen Christian needs to do when he/she falls from grace.

[regina steele marrs]

I wonder , how many people today, who say I am a believer and have not repented.

I guess to some, water baptism, can save anyone and wash away sins, without repentance.

[Barnsweb]

RPC wrote:

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I agree. Simon obviously was a believer at one time but allowed his lust for the miraculous to take over his heart. Thus he needed only repent of that sin. It seems to be a good example of what a fallen Christian needs to do when he/she falls from grace.

Seems to me that the problem was his greed - his love of money - that lead him to ask for the ability. Considering the value of heaing the sick, the apostles could certainly have been raking in the silver and gold to heal people, but as Peter said,'Silver or gold I have none, but what I do have I give to you' and then healed the man on the spot for free. Freely we receive, freely we give. That is in opposition to pay to get and get paid to give.

[RPC]

Barnsweb wrote:

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Seems to me that the problem was his greed - his love of money - that lead him to ask for the ability. Considering the value of heaing the sick, the apostles could certainly have been raking in the silver and gold to heal people, but as Peter said,'Silver or gold I have none, but what I do have I give to you' and then healed the man on the spot for free. Freely we receive, freely we give. That is in opposition to pay to get and get paid to give.

Agreed.

[MrT]

walkinginlove wrote:

How about a lesson on how Simon was baptized but had an unchanged heart, thus offered money for control of the power of the Holy Spirit, thus showing he was still unsaved.

Same thing as Ananias and Saphira, they went through the motions but were obviously not sincere. There will always be fakers in every denomination and religion.

[walkinginlove]

SeekingWanderer wrote:

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Does it SAY that Simon was unsaved? Or did Peter say Simon needed to repent? Hmmmm... The Bible says Simon "believed" and was "baptized"; so does that mean that the "belief" didn't take? Or that the "baptism" didn't take? Which part of what Simon did to obtain salvation failed?

He was never truly repentant of his sorcery and was gaming the system in order to add to his bag of tricks.

Why was Simon unwilling to pray for forgiveness himself? By not praying he was directly disobeying a command given to him by the Apostles, why did he not carry out the command?

It is the key to understanding why he was never part of them!

[JustChristian]

regina steele marrs wrote:

I wonder , how many people today, who say I am a believer and have not repented.
I guess to some, water baptism, can save anyone and wash away sins, without repentance.

nope it can not. Baptism without repentance is a bath only. However obeying the commands as given are necessary.

[Bobby]

walkinginlove wrote:

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He was never truly repentant of his sorcery and was gaming the system in order to add to his bag of tricks.
Why was Simon unwilling to pray for forgiveness himself? By not praying he was directly disobeying a command given to him by the Apostles, why did he not carry out the command?
It is the key to understanding why he was never part of them!

Totally agree...

[SeekingWanderer]

regina steele marrs wrote:

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Do you think Simon was in line, for the Apostles to lay hands on him to receive the Holy Ghost?
Do you think a person can lose their salvation or once saved , always saved? If so, lets tear that part out, about blaspheming the Holy Ghost, Jesus spoke of, and no forgiveness for.

I cannot say what Simon may have been doing or waiting on or what is not written. I only quote exactly what the Bible says.

I do think people can lose their salvation. I don't believe in OSAS.

And I still think you're out of your mind for accusing people of "blaspheming the Holy Ghost". Bobby disagrees with you, just like I did, about the role of the Holy Ghost; when are you gonna accuse HIM of "blaspheming the Holy Ghost"? If you don't accuse him for doing the same thing, you're not a truth-telling individual. I'm waiting to see if you start an entire thread about him, too, accusing him of such things. Personally, I don't think you're woman enough to do it. You have a personal vendetta against me, but I could care less. The only reason you won't do that to Bobby, is because he said he "accepts" you as a Christian. If he hadn't said that and hadn't been so wishy-washy, you probably would have attacked him, too.

[JustChristian]

SeekingWanderer wrote:

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I cannot say what Simon may have been doing or waiting on or what is not written. I only quote exactly what the Bible says.
I do think people can lose their salvation. I don't believe in OSAS.
And I still think you're out of your mind for accusing people of "blaspheming the Holy Ghost". Bobby disagrees with you, just like I did, about the role of the Holy Ghost; when are you gonna accuse HIM of "blaspheming the Holy Ghost"? If you don't accuse him for doing the same thing, you're not a truth-telling individual. I'm waiting to see if you start an entire thread about him, too, accusing him of such things. Personally, I don't think you're woman enough to do it. You have a personal vendetta against me, but I could care less. The only reason you won't do that to Bobby, is because he said he "accepts" you as a Christian. If he hadn't said that and hadn't been so wishy-washy, you probably would have attacked him, too.

:)

[walkinginlove]

JustChristian wrote:

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Baptism without repentance is a bath only. However obeying the commands as given are necessary.

I agree with both statements.

[regina steele marrs]

SeekingWanderer wrote:

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I cannot say what Simon may have been doing or waiting on or what is not written. I only quote exactly what the Bible says.
I do think people can lose their salvation. I don't believe in OSAS.
And I still think you're out of your mind for accusing people of "blaspheming the Holy Ghost". Bobby disagrees with you, just like I did, about the role of the Holy Ghost; when are you gonna accuse HIM of "blaspheming the Holy Ghost"? If you don't accuse him for doing the same thing, you're not a truth-telling individual. I'm waiting to see if you start an entire thread about him, too, accusing him of such things. Personally, I don't think you're woman enough to do it. You have a personal vendetta against me, but I could care less. The only reason you won't do that to Bobby, is because he said he "accepts" you as a Christian. If he hadn't said that and hadn't been so wishy-washy, you probably would have attacked him, too.

Bobby and others have disagreed with me on my view of the Holy.

The point is this, they have never came and said what I was saying was foolishness and was something bad. You have attacked me on every point , I have tried to make.

I posted about hearing a man prophesied about the Hurricane Hugo and the destruction of the storm. What was the answer , you came back with....look it up.

Why don't you study, what Blaspheming the Holy Ghost is, and who spoke of balspheming the Holy Ghost. Also remember, there were other people , doing the same work as Jesus and was not part of his crowd.

[SeekingWanderer]

regina steele marrs wrote:

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Bobby and others have disagreed with me on my view of the Holy.
The point is this, they have never came and said what I was saying was foolishness and was something bad. You have attacked me on every point , I have tried to make.
I posted about hearing a man prophesied about the Hurricane Hugo and the destruction of the storm. What was the answer , you came back with....look it up.
Why don't you study, what Blaspheming the Holy Ghost is, and who spoke of balspheming the Holy Ghost. Also remember, there were other people , doing the same work as Jesus and was not part of his crowd.

Bobby and others are not going to call a spade a spade, because they are wishy-washy, at best, and need to put on their big boy pants and stand up for something.

The whole Hurricane Hugo thing was a farce then, and it's a farce today. same falsehood, different day.

I know what blaspheming the Holy Spirit is, and it's not what I do, it's what people who "claim" to have the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit do. It's a bunch of garbage, all the fake healings, fake tongue-speaking, fake flopping around in the floor like a seizure, fake "holy laughter", fake "slain in the spirit", it's all fake. The Holy Spirit is not some Spirit of confusion, making people act a fool and all that garbage.

The Holy Spirit served a purpose in the first century, and serves a purpose today, and it's not to be made a fool of by people who "claim" He does all kinds of unBiblical nonsense.