Baptism of believers and COCINO baptism

Baptism of believers and COCINO baptism

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Whitman

Evington, VA

#1 Sep 28, 2011
Johnny, Micah, James, Shawn HEATH Paden, Mark PERFECT McMinnis, tell us how Church Of Christ baptism is different from believer baptism like Baptists etc have! A person is immersed in water in both so what is the difference???? What are you complaining about you should be happy with Baptist churches! I don't understand what makes Church Of Christ baptism different from Baptist baptism????
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#2 Sep 28, 2011
Whitman wrote:
Johnny, Micah, James, Shawn HEATH Paden, Mark PERFECT McMinnis, tell us how Church Of Christ baptism is different from believer baptism like Baptists etc have! A person is immersed in water in both so what is the difference???? What are you complaining about you should be happy with Baptist churches! I don't understand what makes Church Of Christ baptism different from Baptist baptism????
It's religious pride!
MrT

Saltville, VA

#3 Sep 29, 2011
Whitman wrote:
Johnny, Micah, James, Shawn HEATH Paden, Mark PERFECT McMinnis, tell us how Church Of Christ baptism is different from believer baptism like Baptists etc have! A person is immersed in water in both so what is the difference???? What are you complaining about you should be happy with Baptist churches! I don't understand what makes Church Of Christ baptism different from Baptist baptism????
I was baptized in a Christian Church (heavy on the Acts 2:38). I later joined an independent Baptist Church they asked if I had been baptized but nobody ever asked me to be re-baptized or any details. When the preacher baptized he said "buried with Him in baptism, raised to walk in newness of life". The only difference I see is the old worn out "guy drops dead on his way to the baptistery is he saved or lost" endless debate. I can attend either church and be comfortable with it because both are citing scripture with baptism so it is a Biblical baptism, it is just individual interpretation. I do wish those who baptize for remission of sins made it a bit clearer that Christ paid your sin debt on the cross so you are not doing anything in being baptized (Colossians chapter 2) besides being obedient to the command of scripture including Christ's Great Commission.
Josh

Martinsville, VA

#4 Sep 29, 2011
MrT wrote:
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I was baptized in a Christian Church (heavy on the Acts 2:38). I later joined an independent Baptist Church they asked if I had been baptized but nobody ever asked me to be re-baptized or any details. When the preacher baptized he said "buried with Him in baptism, raised to walk in newness of life". The only difference I see is the old worn out "guy drops dead on his way to the baptistery is he saved or lost" endless debate. I can attend either church and be comfortable with it because both are citing scripture with baptism so it is a Biblical baptism, it is just individual interpretation. I do wish those who baptize for remission of sins made it a bit clearer that Christ paid your sin debt on the cross so you are not doing anything in being baptized (Colossians chapter 2) besides being obedient to the command of scripture including Christ's Great Commission.
No. You must....get this now....MUST be baptized for the right reason. How come you guys do not get this. ou repent for a reason and seem to grasp that. Peter linked baptism with repenting so both are for a specific reason. If you are baptized because you thought your were saved thats not bible. Peter said you are baptized in order to be IN CHRIST. Any other baptism is not valid.
Whitman

Evington, VA

#5 Sep 29, 2011
Where does it say in the Bible that we have to be baptized for the right reason or else we are damned to hell? What makes one immersion baptism different from another immersion baptism? A person is getting all wet because of Christ both ways. Are there magic words that have to be used to make a Church Of Christ baptism valid and without those words a Baptist baptism or any other baptism is not valid????

Josh you aren't making sense!!!!
Josh

Martinsville, VA

#6 Sep 29, 2011
Whitman wrote:
Where does it say in the Bible that we have to be baptized for the right reason or else we are damned to hell? What makes one immersion baptism different from another immersion baptism? A person is getting all wet because of Christ both ways. Are there magic words that have to be used to make a Church Of Christ baptism valid and without those words a Baptist baptism or any other baptism is not valid????
Josh you aren't making sense!!!!
What reason was Paul baptized. Was it for a purpose?

Peter said in Acts 2:38 in order to be forgiven you must _______ and ________. Both are in order to be forgiven. Denominations do half of that verse in order to be forgiven.
Whitman

Evington, VA

#7 Sep 29, 2011
Paul said he wasn't sent to baptize. He was sent to preach Christ. Not baptism. Cornelius and his household had Holy Spirit before they were baptized. If they weren't forgiven already and in Christ then why did they have Holy Spirit???? Peter didn't say you had to be baptized the "right way" or be damned. Jesus didn't say be baptized or be damned either in Mark. You are making stuff up just like Johnny, James, Micah, Shawn HEATH Paden, Mark.

You still aren't making any sense Josh!!!!
Whitman

Evington, VA

#8 Sep 29, 2011
Josh is a false prophet teaching that baptism must use magic words to be a real baptism and that baptism is needed for salvation.
MrT

Saltville, VA

#9 Sep 29, 2011
Josh wrote:
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No. You must....get this now....MUST be baptized for the right reason. How come you guys do not get this. ou repent for a reason and seem to grasp that. Peter linked baptism with repenting so both are for a specific reason. If you are baptized because you thought your were saved thats not bible. Peter said you are baptized in order to be IN CHRIST. Any other baptism is not valid.
As I stated I got the Acts 2;38 version, just saying that nobody declared it to be invalid in my own personal experience.
Josh

Martinsville, VA

#10 Sep 29, 2011
Whitman wrote:
Paul said he wasn't sent to baptize. He was sent to preach Christ. Not baptism. Cornelius and his household had Holy Spirit before they were baptized. If they weren't forgiven already and in Christ then why did they have Holy Spirit???? Peter didn't say you had to be baptized the "right way" or be damned. Jesus didn't say be baptized or be damned either in Mark. You are making stuff up just like Johnny, James, Micah, Shawn HEATH Paden, Mark.
You still aren't making any sense Josh!!!!
I see you didn’t want to talk about Saul’s conversion. Who was the man Jesus sent Saul to see and what did this man tell Saul? Rise and be baptized “because” you’re forgiven already? No, Ananias told Saul; “get up, what are you waiting on, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on the authority of the Lord”……..what…. wash your sins away Saul? But, you were already forgiven, right? Obviously Saul and Ananias knew Saul was still in his sins seeing there was no protest from either one. Paul done as he was told and it was for the purpose that he be forgiven. Why? Because it was by the authority of the Lord. Calling on the name of the Lord is obeying what the Lord commanded. Jesus didn’t forgive Saul until he obeyed the Gospel. Saul no doubt repented, even prayed for 3 days yet still in his sins.

The conversion of Cornelius is not complicated as you like it to be. Peter was sent to deliver a “message”= words that would lead to salvation. As Peter “began” to deliver the words that would lead to salvation, the Holy Spirit came UPON the household of Cornelius. Note carefully that Peter had not yet told them words that would save them. The reason the Holy Spirit came on them was to show the Jews that the Gentiles were going to be included in the plan of salvation. Now, you be honest and tell me what occurred once the Jews understood this.

The passage you cite regarding Paul not being sent to baptize but preach the Gospel. How many did Jesus baptize in His day? Furthermore, if you note carefully the text, Paul connects baptism to being Jesus’ work. Did Paul die for you, he ask? Clearly Paul ties baptism to Jesus. The people there were honoring men for their baptism when they should had been honoring Jesus seeing it was by Jesus that salvation came and through baptism we are raised with Him to newness of life.
Whitman

Evington, VA

#11 Sep 29, 2011
You are still preaching magic words with baptism to save people. You are preaching hyperlegalism which Paul was against. You still haven't shown us Josh how Church Of Christ baptism by immersion is different from Baptist baptism by immersion. If a person wants to be baptized because of Christ then what difference does it make???? What is it that makes a person who is being baptized in Church Of Christ different from a person who is being baptized in any other church???? Jesus wants people to come to Him no matter how or what they get to Him. Josh youre making Jesus someone who expects magic words and water for us to have salvation. You preach a false doctrine!!!!
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#12 Sep 29, 2011
Whitman wrote:
Josh is a false prophet teaching that baptism must use magic words to be a real baptism and that baptism is needed for salvation.
Voodoo- One of the definitions of the word is deceptive or delusive nonsense.
Bfrank

Martinsville, VA

#13 Sep 29, 2011
Josh wrote:
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What reason was Paul baptized. Was it for a purpose?
Peter said in Acts 2:38 in order to be forgiven you must _______ and ________. Both are in order to be forgiven. Denominations do half of that verse in order to be forgiven.
What did Peter under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit tell Cornelius & his family?
*Acts 10:43,To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
>What happened next?
*Acts 10:44-45,While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
>they received the "gift of the Holy Spirit"...the same thing promised to the Jews in Acts 2:38?
>Josh you believe in water baptism for salvation but do you believe in Holy Spirit baptism & indwelling? Does water baptism join you to a man made church or Holy Spirit baptism join you to the spiritual body of Christ of which He is the head?
*1Corinthians 12:13,For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
>Like the Bible says,"by one Spirit baptized into one body"
Whitman

Evington, VA

#14 Sep 30, 2011
What makes water baptism one kind and what makes it another kind? Nobody has told yet. Baptist baptism is water baptism just like Church Of Christ water baptism. Church Of Christ on Starling Avenue is a Baptist church whether it knows it or not.
theSword

United States

#15 Sep 30, 2011
uh-oh. Whitman let the secret out.

and about the conversion of Saul. In Acts 22:16, Saul was told to do four things 1)arise 2) be baptized 3) wash away his sins 4) all while calling on the name of the Lord.

even in the KJV it is clearly a list of 4 separate things Saul was told to do,

so, how are all four linked together?

and just as a note, Young's Literal translation words the baptism part "baptize thyself" I've been to lots of cofc baptisms and never seen anyone baptize themselves or call on the name of the Lord while doing so. Of course speaking while underwater could be dangerous. I have seen Jewish purification rites that only involve one person being in the water. I bet Saul's baptism was a lot more like that than it was what we see in churches today.
Acts 2 38

Martinsville, VA

#16 Nov 16, 2012
In Acts 2:38, Peter appears to link forgiveness of sins to baptism. But there are at least two plausible interpretations of this verse that do not connect forgiveness of sin with baptism. It is possible to translate the Greek preposition eis "because of," or "on the basis of," instead of "for." It is used in that sense in Matthew 3:11; 12:41; and Luke 11:32. It is also possible to take the clause "and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ" as parenthetical. Support for that interpretation comes from that fact that "repent" and "your" are plural, while "be baptized" is singular, thus setting it off from the rest of the sentence. If that interpretation is correct, the verse would read "Repent (and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ) for the forgiveness of your sins." Forgiveness is thus connected with repentance, not baptism, in keeping with the consistent teaching of the New Testament (cf. Luke 24:47; John 3:18; Acts 5:31; 10:43; 13:38; 26:18; Ephesians 5:26).

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#17 Nov 16, 2012
Acts 2 38 wrote:
In Acts 2:38, Peter appears to link forgiveness of sins to baptism. But there are at least two plausible interpretations of this verse that do not connect forgiveness of sin with baptism. It is possible to translate the Greek preposition eis "because of," or "on the basis of," instead of "for." It is used in that sense in Matthew 3:11; 12:41; and Luke 11:32. It is also possible to take the clause "and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ" as parenthetical. Support for that interpretation comes from that fact that "repent" and "your" are plural, while "be baptized" is singular, thus setting it off from the rest of the sentence. If that interpretation is correct, the verse would read "Repent (and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ) for the forgiveness of your sins." Forgiveness is thus connected with repentance, not baptism, in keeping with the consistent teaching of the New Testament (cf. Luke 24:47; John 3:18; Acts 5:31; 10:43; 13:38; 26:18; Ephesians 5:26).
Amen to all passages you've given

Please give the Bible version on the market today that translates Acts 2:38 "on the basis of". Thanks.

www.roysecitycoc.org
Whitman

Palmyra, VA

#18 Nov 17, 2012
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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Amen to all passages you've given
Please give the Bible version on the market today that translates Acts 2:38 "on the basis of". Thanks.
www.roysecitycoc.org
You said that right Heath SHAWN Paden Robberson follower. "bible VERSION" and "MARKET"
Mike Anderson

Martinsville, VA

#19 Dec 26, 2012
Paul makes the case, in Romans 4, that Abraham's transgressions were forgiven and his sins covered by faith, and that it was a gift of God's grace prior to his circumcision. Was circumcision an outward rite to which this man was required by God to submit? Yes, it was. But, as Paul notes, his forgiveness and justification were not due to this outward act, but rather based upon his faith. Paul goes farther here and informs us that this principle is true for us under this new covenant. Forgiveness, justification, salvation are not based on our acts of faith, but upon faith itself. The various acts (of which baptism is one) are merely evidentiary in nature: they show faith (James 2). They are essential (no one is denying that fact), but they themselves are not redemptive (as some claim). Thus, baptism does not remit sins, but evidences one's faith in and acceptance of the One who does!! Baptism is a required manifestation of one's faith. Forgiveness comes to those who turn from sin and in faith turn to the Lord. Such persons then demonstrate that inner faith and repentance by a number of visible acts that will occur throughout their lives (one of which is baptism).
Mark

Danville, VA

#20 Dec 26, 2012
Whitman says;
"What makes water baptism one kind and what makes it another kind? Nobody has told yet. Baptist baptism is water baptism just like Church Of Christ water baptism."

NOTICE... 1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

Whitman, using your logic a person could not partake of the bread and cup "unworthily"

Now use your logic,
"What makes the bread and cup one kind and what makes it another kind? Unleavened bread and fruit of the vine at breakfast is unleavened bread and fruit of the vine just like unleavened bread and fruit of the vine in the Lord's supper"

Your logic fails.

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