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Apr 10, 2013
 
In I Peter 4:17 we read,“For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not OBEY THE GOSPEL of God?”

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 Paul says,“... The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not OBEY THE GOSPEL of our Lord Jesus. And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power.”

First we must define what the Gospel is before we can begin determining how one can obey it.

I Corinthians. In I Cor. 15:1-4 we find this:“Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you ... that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.”

Okay, the gospel is … Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day.

But, how can a sinner OBEY this? How can a sinner OBEY his death, burial and resurrection?

Does God expect us to die, be buried, and rise again like Jesus?!

But how else can we “obey the gospel”? Surely the answer is revealed in Scripture.

What say ye? How does one “obey the Gospel?”
Walkinginlove

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#2
Apr 10, 2013
 
How about Simon the sorcerer did he obey the gospel?

FYI, no he did not since a simple dunking under the water with no change of heart and no seal of our salvation.

The baptism you are looking for is the one baptism shown in the word of God, death to self show by Jesus example who called his coming death a baptism, and he went against his own will and followed God's will for his life. Water immersion for our sins, and indwelling of the spirit for the day of our resurrection into new life.

Water without the spirit's indwelling or death to your own will is nothing more then a bath.

What say ye?
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Apr 10, 2013
 
Believe and TRUST that Jesus Christ died for your sins, was buried, and resurrected for your justification.

Then, and only then, will you have obeyed the gospel of Jesus Christ.
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Apr 10, 2013
 
John 3:16
Barnsweb

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Apr 10, 2013
 
Jesus commissioned His disciples to "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." (Matt. 28:19-20) As He said to Nicodemus, "And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen; that they have been done in God."
Matt. 11: 27-29; "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."
As John said in one of his letters (2 John 6-10):
"This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an anti-Christ. Look to yourselves, that you do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward. Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him, for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds."
So what do the gospel accounts say is His doctrine? Is the doctrine of Christ that He came in the flesh, or is the doctrine of Christ also what He taught? Matthew 7:28 is a comment made by the people who heard Jesus immediately after His teaching of building our life upon hearing and doing what He said. This record says: "And so it was, when Jesus had ended these saying, that the people were astonished at His teaching (KJV uses 'doctrine'), for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes." Matthew 22:33, just after His saying 'God is not the God of the dead, but of the living' is 'And when the multitudes heard this, they were astonished at His teaching (KJV uses 'doctrine'). To make the point further are additional accounts from the gospels that you can look up if you want to verify the fact: Mark 1:23,27; 4:2; 11:18, 12:28; Luke 4:32; John 7:16,17; John 18:19. Consider the translation you are using for study. The KJV uses 'doctrine' and the NKJV uses 'teaching', and these mean pretty much the same thing. The issue is the importance of what Jesus taught as being authoritative, and He claimed it was not His teaching, but the words God gave Him to give to us. John 17 is a good focused study about 'the word' which Jesus gave and His disciples kept; 6-24:
"I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me."
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Apr 10, 2013
 
"I pray for them. I do not pray for the world, but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You, Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth."
"I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word, that they all may be one, as You Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just a We are one. I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me
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#7
Apr 10, 2013
 
Dagnabit post-eaters!!! John 3:16 should lead us to more:
Jesus commissioned His disciples to "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." (Matt. 28:19-20) As He said to Nicodemus, "And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen; that they have been done in God."
Matt. 11: 27-29; "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."
As John said in one of his letters (2 John 6-10):
"This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an anti-Christ. Look to yourselves, that you do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward. Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him, for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds."
So what do the gospel accounts say is His doctrine? Is the doctrine of Christ that He came in the flesh, or is the doctrine of Christ also what He taught? Matthew 7:28 is a comment made by the people who heard Jesus immediately after His teaching of building our life upon hearing and doing what He said. This record says: "And so it was, when Jesus had ended these saying, that the people were astonished at His teaching (KJV uses 'doctrine'), for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes." Matthew 22:33, just after His saying 'God is not the God of the dead, but of the living' is 'And when the multitudes heard this, they were astonished at His teaching (KJV uses 'doctrine'). To make the point further are additional accounts from the gospels that you can look up if you want to verify the fact: Mark 1:23,27; 4:2; 11:18, 12:28; Luke 4:32; John 7:16,17; John 18:19. Consider the translation you are using for study. The KJV uses 'doctrine' and the NKJV uses 'teaching', and these mean pretty much the same thing. The issue is the importance of what Jesus taught as being authoritative, and He claimed it was not His teaching, but the words God gave Him to give to us. John 17 is a good focused study about 'the word' which Jesus gave and His disciples kept; 6-24:
"I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.
"I pray for them. I do not pray for the world, but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them....
.... And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth."
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Apr 10, 2013
 
Must be a five minute post clock limiter?;-) Sorry about that....
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Apr 10, 2013
 
Not trying to pick a new fight with barnsweb, but I clearly noticed how long his answer was and how short the other answers were. How much do we need to know/do in order to be saved?

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Apr 10, 2013
 
Walkinginlove wrote:
How about Simon the sorcerer did he obey the gospel?
FYI, no he did not since a simple dunking under the water with no change of heart and no seal of our salvation.
The baptism you are looking for is the one baptism shown in the word of God, death to self show by Jesus example who called his coming death a baptism, and he went against his own will and followed God's will for his life. Water immersion for our sins, and indwelling of the spirit for the day of our resurrection into new life.
Water without the spirit's indwelling or death to your own will is nothing more then a bath.
What say ye?
If anyone is baptized lacking repentance … as you said- it’s merely getting wet. Doesn’t this mean a RE-baptism to be required? Or REAL baptism?

I am guessing you are suggesting Simon the sorcerer is an example of someone not RE-baptized but accepted in the Body merely on the basis of repentance.

I believe he was sincere when he first repented and was baptized but sinned against God thus requiring him to ask God for forgiveness. If he had not been added to the Body, Peter would have commanded him as he done those in Acts 2.
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#11
Apr 10, 2013
 
"How much do we need to know/do in order to be saved?"

You need to know that you are a sinner, and that God gave his only begotten son to die in your place on that cross. Then you can trust what he did on the cross on your behalf for your salvation. See my post above about obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ.

It's called "the free gift." Claim it today, if you haven't already. And don't take my word for it, go read it for yourself, preferably in a King James Bible.
William

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Apr 10, 2013
 
"Then, and only then, will you have obeyed the gospel of Jesus Christ."

What is the gospel of Jesus Christ, and where is it found in the Bible?

1 Corinthians 15:1-4

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Apr 10, 2013
 
William wrote:
Believe and TRUST that Jesus Christ died for your sins, was buried, and resurrected for your justification.
Then, and only then, will you have obeyed the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Hmm. So, Peter was wrong in Acts 2?
William

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Apr 10, 2013
 
"Hmm. So, Peter was wrong in Acts 2?"

Wrong about what?

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Apr 10, 2013
 
William wrote:
"Hmm. So, Peter was wrong in Acts 2?"
Wrong about what?
Commanding repentance .......... and ..........baptism for the purpose to be forgiven by Jesus' Blood - Acts 2:36-41

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Apr 10, 2013
 
William wrote:
"Then, and only then, will you have obeyed the gospel of Jesus Christ."
What is the gospel of Jesus Christ, and where is it found in the Bible?
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
I understand this. What I am asking: how is the gospel obeyed? I think Romans 6 helps some on this.
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Apr 10, 2013
 
And if you were a Jew on that infamous Day of Pentecost, that is exactly what you would have had to do to show repentance for killing your Messiah. And then you would have to endure to the end to be saved, as Acts 3:19-21 says.

Were you a Jew who was physically present on that Day of Pentecost who heard Peter's exhortation?
William

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#18
Apr 10, 2013
 
Romans 6 does not reference water baptism. None of Paul's 13 epistles reference water baptism.

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Apr 10, 2013
 
Unfortunately, my lunch is almost over. In short, I will say I disagree. Perhaps someone else will step in with a more detailed reply.
William

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#20
Apr 10, 2013
 
Haven't you ever wondered as exactly WHY Paul had to come along?

Christ gave the disciples clear marching orders, yet Paul is nowhere to be found in Matthew 28, Mark 16, or Acts 2.

Odd, don't you think?

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