How many interpretations of one verse are allowed?

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Barnsweb

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Feb 5, 2013
 
How often we discuss things to say I see that verse to say this, then another says, I see it to see something else. Recently I've been exploring discussion and classes with Messianich Jews. One group found in Yahoo Groups has an interesting introduction to the discussion board that I thought some of you might also enjoy considering and discussing here:

"Judaism is not like Christianity. In the case of Christianity normally only one opinion is allowed at a time and those opinions that are different from the first one, which for the moment has become the domineering one, are generally rejected and easily considered as heresy. When it comes to Judaism, it happens quite the opposite, it is possible to express several opinions at the same time. Often where there are three Jews you encounter five different opinions. That means that in Jewish idiosyncrasy there is a place for different points of view to be expressed at the same time because truth is considered as something so great that it is necessary to contemplate it from several points of view, that together will present a more complete image even though the different opinions might seem to be contradictory to start with. It is considered that each Torah passage has 70 different levels of depth which means that each text can be understood in 70 different ways, all of which are considered relevant.

May the Eternal One bless and protect all those who read and study his Torah. "
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Feb 6, 2013
 
Interesting idea. I have to go to town, then to work. I will give my thoughts later on this.
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Feb 6, 2013
 
Barnsweb wrote:
How often we discuss things to say I see that verse to say this, then another says, I see it to see something else. Recently I've been exploring discussion and classes with Messianich Jews. One group found in Yahoo Groups has an interesting introduction to the discussion board that I thought some of you might also enjoy considering and discussing here:
"Judaism is not like Christianity. In the case of Christianity normally only one opinion is allowed at a time and those opinions that are different from the first one, which for the moment has become the domineering one, are generally rejected and easily considered as heresy. When it comes to Judaism, it happens quite the opposite, it is possible to express several opinions at the same time. Often where there are three Jews you encounter five different opinions. That means that in Jewish idiosyncrasy there is a place for different points of view to be expressed at the same time because truth is considered as something so great that it is necessary to contemplate it from several points of view, that together will present a more complete image even though the different opinions might seem to be contradictory to start with. It is considered that each Torah passage has 70 different levels of depth which means that each text can be understood in 70 different ways, all of which are considered relevant.
May the Eternal One bless and protect all those who read and study his Torah. "


BW,
As far as I can tell you wrote approximately 248 words in your comment, so, are you actually saying that if 248 people read your comment then they could actually all be correct in interpreting what YOU actually meant to say?

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Feb 6, 2013
 
you are not right by saying approximately you mean exactly but hey

what do words mean anyways
Mark

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Feb 6, 2013
 
-TheWiseMan- wrote:
you are not right by saying approximately you mean exactly but hey
what do words mean anyways
Are you sure? Is it an absolute fact that there are 248 words in his comment?
And could 248 readers have 248 different interpretations of what he wrote and ALL of them be in agreement with him and what he actually meant to say when he wrote it?
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Feb 6, 2013
 
Mark wrote:
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BW,
As far as I can tell you wrote approximately 248 words in your comment, so, are you actually saying that if 248 people read your comment then they could actually all be correct in interpreting what YOU actually meant to say?
I wrote more like fify odd words, the rest was cut and paste of the opening remark from the discussion group monitor.

How many who read it were Jews?:-) Likely mostly Christians, and perhaps a few agree, and perhaps a few would like to brand me to be a heretic! The issue at hand though, is what God has to say to us in His Sacred Word. All to many disagreements reside in the areas between those words or taking a few of them out of the context of other Holy Words, to establish a partial truth Church.

What might happen if we were to approach discussion of the Word in the broader sense? Perhaps it would be worth a try, as long as people try to be as respectful as possible - myself included.

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BW,
As far as I can tell you wrote approximately 248 words in your comment, so, are you actually saying that if 248 people read your comment then they could actually all be correct in interpreting what YOU actually meant to say?
248 people have the freedom to find the meaning God wants them to find, just like you do. Is everyone else supposed to believe YOUR interpretation? What if you're wrong? No Christian gets it all right. Every Christian is wrong about something. God knows who belongs to Him. You don't Mark. Judge yourself before you judge other people.

You stay at Danville Church of Christ, leave the people at Bridgetown Church alone. Stay away from all of the places where other people are worshiping God. They aren't coming to Danville Church of Christ and that's that. You need to get your own house in order before you tell other people that the house they're in is wrong.

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248 people have the freedom to find the meaning God wants them to find, just like you do. Is everyone else supposed to believe YOUR interpretation? What if you're wrong? No Christian gets it all right. Every Christian is wrong about something. God knows who belongs to Him. You don't Mark. Judge yourself before you judge other people.
You stay at Danville Church of Christ, leave the people at Bridgetown Church alone. Stay away from all of the places where other people are worshiping God. They aren't coming to Danville Church of Christ and that's that. You need to get your own house in order before you tell other people that the house they're in is wrong.
way to tell it and i agree

didnt know mark was church chirst

yeah they have quite few things t get in order before telling evrybody else what t do
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Feb 7, 2013
 
There is some value in looking at texts in different ways. And yes, there can be more than one way, one level to look at scriptures. Look at the story of Jonah. There's at least 2 or 3 different levels, teachings in Jonah. The old prophets have usually dual fulfillments.

But for 70 or more interpretations, I just don't see God allowing that. He is not the author of confusion. With that many interpretations, there is nothing but confusion. This is why the religious world is such a mess.
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Feb 7, 2013
 
70 seems a bit much to me as well:-) No wonder people were interested to hear Jesus give meanings that had some clarity!
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Olethros wrote:
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248 people have the freedom to find the meaning God wants them to find, just like you do. Is everyone else supposed to believe YOUR interpretation? What if you're wrong? No Christian gets it all right. Every Christian is wrong about something. God knows who belongs to Him. You don't Mark. Judge yourself before you judge other people.
You stay at Danville Church of Christ, leave the people at Bridgetown Church alone. Stay away from all of the places where other people are worshiping God. They aren't coming to Danville Church of Christ and that's that. You need to get your own house in order before you tell other people that the house they're in is wrong.
Boo whooo,
If "bridgetown" or any other of these man-made brand of churches had the truth they wouldn't have any trouble answering us in a public setting. They are still in the dark and hate the light.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
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Feb 7, 2013
 
Barnsweb wrote:
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I wrote more like fify odd words, the rest was cut and paste of the opening remark from the discussion group monitor.
How many who read it were Jews?:-) Likely mostly Christians, and perhaps a few agree, and perhaps a few would like to brand me to be a heretic! The issue at hand though, is what God has to say to us in His Sacred Word. All to many disagreements reside in the areas between those words or taking a few of them out of the context of other Holy Words, to establish a partial truth Church.
What might happen if we were to approach discussion of the Word in the broader sense? Perhaps it would be worth a try, as long as people try to be as respectful as possible - myself included.
BW, By you "cutting and pasteing" does that change the meaning you intended? God spoke in times past in diverse manners by the prophets but that didn't change His intent of the message.

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
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Boo whooo,
If "bridgetown" or any other of these man-made brand of churches had the truth they wouldn't have any trouble answering us in a public setting. They are still in the dark and hate the light.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
I like what I see here:

http://www.bridgetownchurch.com/beliefs.html

The part where they include water baptism as part of the gospel bothers me a little but they also said they were a denomination:

We do not believe that we are the only Christians.” Therefore, Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc. are all welcome here.

They sound like a mission minded church with a love for God.

"To Sum Up
Certainly this is not all that we believe but we hope that it is enough of a “snapshot” to let you know that Bridgetown Church of Christ is a spiritually safe church. We rely on the Bible for direction and trust in God to provide. All the while striving not to quarrel or divide but to love our community and invite them into a life-changing relationship with Jesus. That is what we are all about. It is our goal. It is who we are. It drives what we do".

Sounds like a real good church to me!
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Feb 7, 2013
 
Bobby wrote:
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I like what I see here:
http://www.bridgetownchurch.com/beliefs.html
The part where they include water baptism as part of the gospel bothers me a little but they also said they were a denomination:
We do not believe that we are the only Christians.” Therefore, Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc. are all welcome here.
They sound like a mission minded church with a love for God.
"To Sum Up
Certainly this is not all that we believe but we hope that it is enough of a “snapshot” to let you know that Bridgetown Church of Christ is a spiritually safe church. We rely on the Bible for direction and trust in God to provide. All the while striving not to quarrel or divide but to love our community and invite them into a life-changing relationship with Jesus. That is what we are all about. It is our goal. It is who we are. It drives what we do".
Sounds like a real good church to me!
Bridgetown, on first glance, appears to be the classical "Christian Church" I see many of in this area. They actually do not seem far off from my beliefs other than one thing. See, I do agree that we are Christians only, but not the only Christians- just don't believe that everyone else in every group is a Christian as well. You don't like the baptism part, bit I agree. Oh well, there's no perfect place is there.

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Boo whooo,
If "bridgetown" or any other of these man-made brand of churches had the truth they wouldn't have any trouble answering us in a public setting. They are still in the dark and hate the light.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
You don't have the truth, Mark. You have the spirit of division and the spirit of a bully. You couldn't wait to harass people on the very first day of their coming together to worship Christ together. THE FIRST DAY. I bet you heard about Bridgetown Church and either decided there and then to stalk them on their first morning of worship services or your boss Johnny Robertson told you to.

I don't see Bridgetown Church or any other church trying to hide anything. They aren't "in the dark". They want to worship in peace. You respect their right. Nobody is coming into the Danville Church of Christ to harass you there and nobody wants to. Didn't you get served with a cease and desist by the Danville police? Then you'd better respect that if you can't respect other Christians.

Now Mark you tell us why you have "the truth" and everyone else doesn't. You brag all the time about having "the truth". What makes you more truthful than anyone else? What gives you the right to condemn other Christians as being wrong and you think you're spotless 100% pure correct about everything?
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BW, By you "cutting and pasteing" does that change the meaning you intended? God spoke in times past in diverse manners by the prophets but that didn't change His intent of the message.
1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Mark, surely you realize that neither my word, nor the word of the Dr. so and so who wrote the comment copied and pasted - neither of us, nor you, write Scripture. Men are prone to opinions though. Another is to note there were a variety of understandings amongst the original disciples themselves. As an example, Peter says the Spirit came upon Jesus. Yet from reading John, it seems he believed Jesus to be the word incarnate. And both were disciples of Y'shua. Both considered each other to be disciples of Y'shua. I don't recall either of them saying they were better apostles than the other, or any such matter. If Peter's understanding is true, and John's understanding is true, there is no loss of truth to presume both were right - and perhaps it was the Holy Spirit giving the ability to work miricles after His immersion by John?

Just a thought. But do try to distinguish better next time:-)
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You don't have the truth, Mark. You have the spirit of division and the spirit of a bully. You couldn't wait to harass people on the very first day of their coming together to worship Christ together. THE FIRST DAY. I bet you heard about Bridgetown Church and either decided there and then to stalk them on their first morning of worship services or your boss Johnny Robertson told you to.
I don't see Bridgetown Church or any other church trying to hide anything. They aren't "in the dark". They want to worship in peace. You respect their right. Nobody is coming into the Danville Church of Christ to harass you there and nobody wants to. Didn't you get served with a cease and desist by the Danville police? Then you'd better respect that if you can't respect other Christians.
Now Mark you tell us why you have "the truth" and everyone else doesn't. You brag all the time about having "the truth". What makes you more truthful than anyone else? What gives you the right to condemn other Christians as being wrong and you think you're spotless 100% pure correct about everything?
More false information. Nope, I was not served with a "cease and desist" by anyone, And if it were the case that "bridgetown" or anyone else for that matter has "the truth" why would they even consider crying to the civil authorities to shut us down? Why don't they just come on live tv and answer us before the whole community? I have it on record, Jeff Lynch, a so-called "pastor" said he was not interested in discussing the bible.
He isn't ashamed to discuss "bridgetown church" but when it comes to the word of God, he is ashamed.

Lu 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

Do you believe someone who doesn't even believe that Jesus is Deity, like the "jehovah witnesses" are going to be saved?

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More false information. Nope, I was not served with a "cease and desist" by anyone, And if it were the case that "bridgetown" or anyone else for that matter has "the truth" why would they even consider crying to the civil authorities to shut us down? Why don't they just come on live tv and answer us before the whole community? I have it on record, Jeff Lynch, a so-called "pastor" said he was not interested in discussing the bible.
He isn't ashamed to discuss "bridgetown church" but when it comes to the word of God, he is ashamed.
Lu 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
Do you believe someone who doesn't even believe that Jesus is Deity, like the "jehovah witnesses" are going to be saved?
Nobody is trying to shut you down. You can believe whatever you want and worship however you feel you have to, like everyone else can. There is no conspiracy against the Church of Christ. There is no conspiracy in the Danville schools about you Mark. If you and James and Johnny stop with these paranoid delusions that every one is out to get you then you would probably have more people taking you seriously enough to discuss something.

But you don't have any thorough knowledge of the Bible anyway. What would there be to discuss with you that other Christians don't know already?
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No, the bible says there is a particular way in which we must worship God...Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Now, where is the verse that says "worship however you feel"???

And why are you afraid to answer my question?
Do you believe someone who doesn't even believe that Jesus is Deity, like the "jehovah witnesses" are going to be saved?

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Mark wrote:
No, the bible says there is a particular way in which we must worship God...Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Now, where is the verse that says "worship however you feel"???
And why are you afraid to answer my question?
Do you believe someone who doesn't even believe that Jesus is Deity, like the "jehovah witnesses" are going to be saved?
I'm not answering your question because it has nothing to do with what we are talking about at the moment. You are trying to deflect the discussion. It is what you and your collaborators do when they do not want to talk or answer OUR questions. Another reason why nobody will discuss with you. Because you don't want serious discussion to begin with.

And who are you Mark to determine how to interpret the Bible for everybody else? You don't own the truth. Nobody does. You aren't anything special. You are another Christian out of a billion. What makes your interpretation of scripture right and everyone else's wrong? You don't care about spirit or truth. You only want to impose your own interpretation and the interpretations of your boss on everyone else.

Nobody is going to come to Danville Church of Christ or Martinsville Chuch of Christ. Get used to it. Get over your paranoia and your conspiracy theory mentality. Bridgetown Chuch is growing fast already because people there are rejoicing in Jesus Christ with each other. I don't know of any church that isn't growing except Danville and Martinsville Chuches of Christ. You are worshipping in a whitewashed tomb and preaching dead works. If you call that truth then you need to spend more time studying your own Bible instead of trying to teach others how to read theirs.

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