5 Acts of Worship: The error of The C...
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#202 Mar 12, 2013
I just discovered a new pattern. Jesus walked wherever he went except when he rode a 2 year old donkey.

We need to follow that pattern, walking wherever we go but we can have a donkey for special occasions but as soon as the donkey turns 3 yrs old we must buy an different 2 yr old donkey.

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#203 Mar 12, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Conclusion
People are good at finding what they are looking for, even if it isn't really there. On a nice day when there are big puffy white clouds in the sky, I might look at one of the clouds and imagine I see the shape of a horse. Someone else looking at that same cloud might see a camel instead. It is very subjective is it not? Likewise, if we are looking for a New Testament pattern, we are sure to find one. Similar to finding shapes in cloud formations, we are all likely to see different "patterns".
http://creedrehearsal.com/pattern-theology
Nope clouds may be subjective but the Word of God is not. It is able to separate bone and marrow. People can Have their ears tickled but that is not the words fault, It is mans. See you dont want to say we have responsibility. You want there to be a pattern for what ever a person desires, but that is false. There is only one way to God. There is a pattern Christ Followed and Man can chose to follow that pattern or not and people are fast to blame the word pattern, or tradition when in fact it is their fault for not finding the pattern of Christ through the scripture. STUDY to SHOW thy self approved rings clear.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#204 Mar 12, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Nope clouds may be subjective but the Word of God is not. It is able to separate bone and marrow. People can Have their ears tickled but that is not the words fault, It is mans. See you dont want to say we have responsibility. You want there to be a pattern for what ever a person desires, but that is false. There is only one way to God. There is a pattern Christ Followed and Man can chose to follow that pattern or not and people are fast to blame the word pattern, or tradition when in fact it is their fault for not finding the pattern of Christ through the scripture. STUDY to SHOW thy self approved rings clear.
http://creedrehearsal.com/pattern-theology

You skipped over this, didn't you?

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#205 Mar 12, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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http://creedrehearsal.com/pattern-theology
You skipped over this, didn't you?
skipped what?

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#206 Mar 12, 2013
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>Bet you do not take up a collection every Sunday, do you?

The fact is we do not take up a collection every Sunday. Sometimes we have collection containers at the back of the pews and are reminded that we can leave our contributions there.

Another fact is that I do not place money in the plate every time it comes around, we give once a month by check. But often times we give at other times and places. My wife is a paid staff member and she has 20% deducted from her pay. Some of our people seldom put money in the plate, they have it set up on bill pay.
Every Sunday.

1 Cor. 16:1-2

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#207 Mar 12, 2013
Bobby wrote:
I just discovered a new pattern. Jesus walked wherever he went except when he rode a 2 year old donkey.

We need to follow that pattern, walking wherever we go but we can have a donkey for special occasions but as soon as the donkey turns 3 yrs old we must buy an different 2 yr old donkey.
Patterns that are to be passed on have a command behind them.

Context.

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#208 Mar 12, 2013
Bobby wrote:
I just discovered a new pattern. Jesus walked wherever he went except when he rode a 2 year old donkey.
We need to follow that pattern, walking wherever we go but we can have a donkey for special occasions but as soon as the donkey turns 3 yrs old we must buy an different 2 yr old donkey.
brillant
Eeyore031370

United States

#209 Jan 5, 2014
Amen!!!
Dave P

Grayson, KY

#210 Jan 5, 2014
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>Bet you do not take up a collection every Sunday, do you?

The fact is we do not take up a collection every Sunday. Sometimes we have collection containers at the back of the pews and are reminded that we can leave our contributions there.

Another fact is that I do not place money in the plate every time it comes around, we give once a month by check. But often times we give at other times and places. My wife is a paid staff member and she has 20% deducted from her pay. Some of our people seldom put money in the plate, they have it set up on bill pay.

Heath replied- Every Sunday.

1 Cor. 16:1-2

This is a good illustration of the "5 acts" problem.
Are we giving our collections every Sunday to the poor needy saints in Jerusalem about the famine going on? No, we're padding our bank accounts and paying the hired staff. This giving was for a specific purpose, to aid needy saints at that time. Not for the building fund, preacher salary, paying the bills, etc.

Where is the Biblical proof that weekly collections were taken up from Pentecost throughout the entire first century? 1 Corinthians 16 appears to be more of a "love offering" so to speak. It was a collection FOR the saints, not the collection OF the saints.

Nothing wrong with giving. Don't see it as one of the "required 5 acts of weekly worship".
Dave P

Grayson, KY

#211 Jan 5, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
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Nope clouds may be subjective but the Word of God is not. It is able to separate bone and marrow. People can Have their ears tickled but that is not the words fault, It is mans. See you dont want to say we have responsibility. You want there to be a pattern for what ever a person desires, but that is false. There is only one way to God. There is a pattern Christ Followed and Man can chose to follow that pattern or not and people are fast to blame the word pattern, or tradition when in fact it is their fault for not finding the pattern of Christ through the scripture. STUDY to SHOW thy self approved rings clear.
Where's the command to "find the pattern"?

Study to show yourself approved is addressed to a preacher, not the everyday common Christian.
Dave P

Grayson, KY

#212 Jan 5, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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Patterns that are to be passed on have a command behind them.
Context.
Greet one another with a holy kiss?
Sell all you have, take up your cross, and follow Me?

The term context shouldn't be tossed around loosely, especially when the idea of giving every Sunday is taken out of context to justify making it part of the pattern.

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#213 Jan 6, 2014
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>Greet one another with a holy kiss?
Sell all you have, take up your cross, and follow Me?

The term context shouldn't be tossed around loosely, especially when the idea of giving every Sunday is taken out of context to justify making it part of the pattern.
And?

Your church doesn't do it.
Dave P

Nicholson, GA

#214 Jan 7, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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And?
Your church doesn't do it.
Weekly collections- part of the "pattern" or a tradition we have made up?

Biblical view says tradition is the correct answer.

"My" church doesn't do the holy kiss? Correct.
We also don't condemn others or make "following the pattern" a salvation condition either.

*Your church, on the other hand, does. Yet the holy kiss thing is trivialized. Consistency?
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#215 Jan 7, 2014
The Mass consists of 2 parts just like the first Christians' worship.

Liturgy of the Word
Liturgy of the Eucharist

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#216 Jan 8, 2014
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>Weekly collections- part of the "pattern" or a tradition we have made up?

Biblical view says tradition is the correct answer.

"My" church doesn't do the holy kiss? Correct.
We also don't condemn others or make "following the pattern" a salvation condition either.

*Your church, on the other hand, does. Yet the holy kiss thing is trivialized. Consistency?
What pattern does your church follow?
johnny

Axton, VA

#217 Jan 10, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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What pattern does your church follow?
http://creedrehearsal.com/index.php/creed-bus...
Barnsweb

Akron, OH

#220 Jan 10, 2014
Mike Peterson wrote:
The Mass consists of 2 parts just like the first Christians' worship.
Liturgy of the Word
Liturgy of the Eucharist
Had a nice talk pre-class with the Rabbi last night. He was pointing out the similarities of worship and practice in a Synagogue and a Catholic Church. Evidently he'd studied quite a bit on it. Have you ever hear that?
Barnsweb

Akron, OH

#221 Jan 10, 2014
"The Churches of Christ have long taught that the proper way to interpret the Bible is by observing the Commands, Examples and Necessary Inferences found in the New Testament. "

Johnny, in 60 years with the Church of Christ I never saw this put into action beyond lip-service. Just taking the commandments - you don't even pay attention to those! And all the 'examples and necessary inferences' have been to stretch things beyond what was actually said - may not be all, but far too many....

Why don't you just eat a peace of humble pie and go learn what Yeshua taught by at least paying attention to His word?

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#222 Jan 10, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
"The Churches of Christ have long taught that the proper way to interpret the Bible is by observing the Commands, Examples and Necessary Inferences found in the New Testament. "

Johnny, in 60 years with the Church of Christ I never saw this put into action beyond lip-service. Just taking the commandments - you don't even pay attention to those! And all the 'examples and necessary inferences' have been to stretch things beyond what was actually said - may not be all, but far too many....

Why don't you just eat a peace of humble pie and go learn what Yeshua taught by at least paying attention to His word?
You're in the church of Yeshua?

What pattern does it follow?

www.roysecitycoc.org
Barnsweb

Akron, OH

#223 Jan 10, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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You're in the church of Yeshua?
What pattern does it follow?
www.roysecitycoc.org
Torah - the Mitzva of God - the living Torah, Jesus Christ.

Mt. 28, Acts 1-3
John, I, II, III John, Revelation, I II Peter, James and Jude

Every word that proceeds from the mouth of God, not clever debaters as Campbell, Luther, Calvin or Marcion;-)

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