CA Proposition 23 - Global Warming

CA Proposition 23 - Global Warming

Created by CitizenTopix on Oct 12, 2010

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Cam

Palm Desert, CA

#8525 Jun 23, 2014
Covina doesn't understand the basics of climate change or global temperature. We've been in a cooling trend despite record high CO2, which is a vital element for life. Climate changes naturally, there is no proof humans have a significant impact.
The Goo Fighter

Honolulu, HI

#8526 Jun 23, 2014
Cam wrote:
Covina doesn't understand the basics of climate change or global temperature. We've been in a cooling trend despite record high CO2, which is a vital element for life. Climate changes naturally, there is no proof humans have a significant impact.
"Just give my three consecutive days of rain, and don't bother with all that hot dry political babble. it's too complicated and
IT'S NOT RAINING! "
my quote to RiccadoFIRE
actually we really have no idea what will happen with future climate change because ,as you expressed, Our Incomplete picture of what drives climate change is of no value in commentary on the subject.
Remenber the Biosphere 1 experiment where they tried to build a working biosphere completely sealed from the outside environment? It DIED inside in less than a year.
The moral to this story is: WE DON"T KNOW
So relax, plant a shady grape arbor if you're HOT, Make a clearing for warm sun in your green garden glen if you're NOT.
Bucket list

Covina, CA

#8527 Jun 23, 2014
Goo Finger hasn't a chance, with new tiddy wipes for babies.
The Goo Fighter

Honolulu, HI

#8528 Jun 23, 2014
That post ended up in the round file.
WeShouldLEAVE

Honolulu, HI

#8529 Jun 23, 2014
this for people who don't know as much as they need to about this issue. Let them discuss and learn with no more of our silly conversations that confound and DISPOSE of intelligence, ideas AND a USEFUL dialogue.
This is a solution to a problem.
(as I GRAB you by the throat and SLAP!)
Now that you're paying attention AND respect -
If you're not a part of the solution, YOU ARE the problem (.)
Here's A GOOD IDEA:
If you wouldn't say it to someone in front of you,
Don't say it from behind this anonymous collection of words.
Stand up

Covina, CA

#8530 Jun 23, 2014
Yeah get off before it's too hot to stand up.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#8531 Jun 24, 2014
Does anyone know why my homosexual and Lesbian friends are so passionate about global warming? Since Global warming means more crime,fires, drought, flooding, windy, hot, cold.....does it also mean an increase in homosexuality?
FraudOs

Covina, CA

#8532 Jun 24, 2014
Glendora, California city council members always have their heads stuck in a bucket of sand.

A special moron named Douglas Tessitor quoted a "KNOWN IDIOT" calling himself Steven Goddard who is complete fool and climate change doubter much like that fool calling himself Tim Donnelly.

Steven Goddard is a pen name (ghost writes name) that he uses to hide his dishonest self behind.

If you don't believe this post then look up the name Steven Goddard you'll find he is a fraud from the get go.
Snuella Phtangst

Sonoma, CA

#8533 Jun 24, 2014
FraudOs wrote:
Glendora, California city council members always have their heads stuck in a bucket of sand.
A special moron named Douglas Tessitor quoted a "KNOWN IDIOT" calling himself Steven Goddard who is complete fool and climate change doubter much like that fool calling himself Tim Donnelly.
Steven Goddard is a pen name (ghost writes name) that he uses to hide his dishonest self behind.
If you don't believe this post then look up the name Steven Goddard you'll find he is a fraud from the get go.
You are so right! As you say, congress has investigated all this stuff, and continue to investigate stuff to get to the bottom of it all. They have shown that there is no climate change stuff, that coal is the gift from god and that burning coal sends the right message to god, there is NO melting of ice caps as there is more ice over there, the wrong message is sent to god with alternative anything, russians are trying to pull some stuff, the koreans are trying to pull some stuff, the I R S is trying to pull some stuff, the Clintons's is trying to pull some stuff, Obamacare is trying to pull some stuff, China & Vets are trying to pull some stuff and other stuff is being pulled by a whole bunch of bad actors. When we stop all safety nets, stop all corporate taxes, stop all subsidies to fat old bums and kids, then we will be in the cat birds seat. NO MORE STUFF!
Cam

Palm Desert, CA

#8534 Jun 24, 2014
Again, Covina, since I know you can not read. Almost no one denies the fact that the climate changes, we we deny is the unproven claims from the idiot Al Gore and the IPCC which has lied with the asinine assertion that humans are the proprietary driver of climate change. This has NEVER been proven. Period. They simply want more taxes, more control and more fear spread through idiots like you, Covina.
Quack

Covina, CA

#8536 Jun 25, 2014
Glendora, California city council members always have their heads stuck in a bucket of sand.

A special moron named Douglas Tessitor quoted a "KNOWN internet IDIOT" calling himself Steven Goddard who is complete fool and climate change doubter much like that fool calling himself Tim Donnelly.

Steven Goddard is a pen name (ghost writes name) that he uses to hide his dishonest self behind.

If you don't believe this post then look up the name Steven Goddard you'll find he is a fraud from the get go, as is Douglas Tessitor
oh my

Hesperia, CA

#8538 Jun 25, 2014
?
Temps are up

Covina, CA

#8540 Jun 25, 2014
It's been a warm to hot day so far.
Steven G

Covina, CA

#8546 Jul 2, 2014
Stooges in city hall have:

Don't be like a brain-less Douglas Tessitor and quote a hack called Steven Godard.

It appears the GOP-pigs have been eating to many truffles and they are unleashing another political gas-attack on this web site, to protect undeserving political stooges in Glendora city hall.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#8549 Jul 2, 2014
Nancy Polockski wrote:
Will someone love me, Obama Boo Boo is not HOT enough for me.
that's why the great obama brought over all the kids to keep you company.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#8552 Jul 2, 2014
nancy raygun wrote:
I love Mexican kids also, the meat is nice and tender.
and not much fat.
skeets give more

Covina, CA

#8553 Jul 2, 2014
And the skeets just keep on giving around here.
MDWATKINS

Bellflower, CA

#8556 Jul 11, 2014
Chuck wrote:
We need to vote YES on Prop.23 as we will lose up to one milion jobs in the near future and energy prices (gasoline, electricity, natural gas etc.) will skyrocket. Massive State regulations will kill many industies in our State. 35 years ago we had "Global Cooling" and that was an obvious hoax; "Global Warming" advocates are using the same scare tactics that were used by the "Global Cooling" kooks. We don't need any more governmnet intrusion into our lives than we hae already.
Science requires you to read, turn off the T.V. and start tonight:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/
MDWATKINS

Bellflower, CA

#8557 Jul 11, 2014
"The greenhouse effect works like this: Energy arrives from the sun in the form of visible light and ultraviolet radiation. The Earth then emits some of this energy as infrared radiation. Greenhouse gases in the atmosphere 'capture' some of this heat, then re-emit it in all directions - including back to the Earth's surface.
Through this process, CO2 and other greenhouse gases keep the Earth’s surface 33°Celsius (59.4°F) warmer than it would be without them. We have added 42% more CO2, and temperatures have gone up. There should be some evidence that links CO2 to the temperature rise.
So far, the average global temperature has gone up by about 0.8 degrees C (1.4°F):
"According to an ongoing temperature analysis conducted by scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS)…the average global temperature on Earth has increased by about 0.8°Celsius (1.4°Fahrenheit) since 1880. Two-thirds of the warming has occurred since 1975, at a rate of roughly 0.15-0.20°C per decade."
The temperatures are going up, just like the theory predicted. But where’s the connection with CO2, or other greenhouse gases like methane, ozone or nitrous oxide?
The connection can be found in the spectrum of greenhouse radiation. Using high-resolution FTIR spectroscopy, we can measure the exact wavelengths of long-wave (infrared) radiation reaching the ground.
Figure 1: Spectrum of the greenhouse radiation measured at the surface. Greenhouse effect from water vapour is filtered out, showing the contributions of other greenhouse gases (Evans 2006).
Sure enough, we can see that CO2 is adding considerable warming, along with ozone (O3) and methane (CH4). This is called surface radiative forcing, and the measurements are part of the empirical evidence that CO2 is causing the warming.

How long has CO2 been contributing to increased warming? According to NASA,“Two-thirds of the warming has occurred since 1975”. Is there a reliable way to identify CO2’s influence on temperatures over that period?
There is: we can measure the wavelengths of long-wave radiation leaving the Earth (upward radiation). Satellites have recorded the Earth's outbound radiation. We can examine the spectrum of upward long-wave radiation in 1970 and 1997 to see if there are changes.
Figure 2: Change in spectrum from 1970 to 1996 due to trace gases.'Brightness temperature' indicates equivalent blackbody temperature (Harries 2001).
This time, we see that during the period when temperatures increased the most, emissions of upward radiation have decreased through radiative trapping at exactly the same wavenumbers as they increased for downward radiation. The same greenhouse gases are identified: CO2, methane, ozone etc.
The Empirical Evidence
As temperatures started to rise, scientists became more and more interested in the cause. Many theories were proposed. All save one have fallen by the wayside, discarded for lack of evidence. One theory alone has stood the test of time, strengthened by experiments.
We know CO2 absorbs and re-emits longwave radiation (Tyndall). The theory of greenhouse gases predicts that if we increase the proportion of greenhouse gases, more warming will occur (Arrhenius).
Scientists have measured the influence of CO2 on both incoming solar energy and outgoing long-wave radiation. Less longwave radiation is escaping to space at the specific wavelengths of greenhouse gases. Increased longwave radiation is measured at the surface of the Earth at the same wavelengths.
These data provide empirical evidence for the predicted effect of CO2."
http://www.theconsensusproject.com/empirical-...

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#8558 Jul 11, 2014
Arrhenius found that a geometric increase of carbon dioxide would cause an arithmetic increase of air temperature. The greenhouse effect is self limiting and our climate system has significant negative feedbacks for stabilization.

Besides, nobody has tested Arrhenius's theory in the atmosphere or obtained data from an experimental climate change mitigation test.

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