Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Ism s

Sierra Madre, CA

#228653 Jan 30, 2014
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Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228654 Jan 30, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Moral disapproval is NOT the only reason polygamy is illegal.
How many times do we have to go down this road BEFORE it sinks in? There are plenty of other reasons. I've posted them many times. You ridicule them and then dismiss them, even though they come from experts. You know... people that have done actual research.
You can ignore the reasons, I really don't care. But don't even try to say they don't exist.
[229] As Dr. Witte further summarized, for more than 1750 years the Western legal tradition has also declared polygamy to be an offence. The denunciation of the practice has been based on natural, philosophical, political, sociological, psychological and scientific arguments. Polygamy, it has consistently been argued, is associated with harm: harm against women, against children, against men and against society. Dr. Witte reviewed some of these harms, as follows.
[230] The harms against women include: exploitation; commodification; social isolation; the inevitable favouritism of some women and deprecation of others within the household; discrimination; and, impoverishment.
[231] The harms against children include: the negative impacts on their development caused by discord, violence and exploitation in the marital home; competition between mothers and siblings for the limited attention of the father; diminishment of the democratic citizenship capabilities of children as a result of being raised by mothers deprived of their basic rights; impoverishment; and, violation of their fundamental dignity.
[232] The harms against men include: the unequal distribution of spouses and related ostracism of younger men forced to compete for a scarcer supply of women; the creation of a false appetite for patriarchy; inflammation of male lust; and deprivation of the essential bond of mutuality that is unique to the marital institution.
[233] Finally, the harms to society that flow from polygamy include: threats to the social order and a greater need for social supports as women lacking education and opportunity to enhance themselves, as well as their children, find themselves impoverished upon divorce or the death of their husbands; harms to good citizenship; threats to political stability; and the undermining of human dignity and equality.
http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/SC/11/15/...
None of those reasons make any sense when applied to three consenting adult gay men.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228655 Jan 30, 2014
rabnew wrote:
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I'm way off being a grandmother just yet.....you don't like my pic? You must be gay !! No complaints until now...Yep definitely gay.
Nah, you're hot. It's just that you called me an idiot. And being gay shouldn't be an insult.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228656 Jan 30, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Moral disapproval is NOT the only reason polygamy is illegal.
How many times do we have to go down this road BEFORE it sinks in? There are plenty of other reasons. I've posted them many times. You ridicule them and then dismiss them, even though they come from experts. You know... people that have done actual research.
You can ignore the reasons, I really don't care. But don't even try to say they don't exist.
[229] As Dr. Witte further summarized, for more than 1750 years the Western legal tradition has also declared polygamy to be an offence. The denunciation of the practice has been based on natural, philosophical, political, sociological, psychological and scientific arguments. Polygamy, it has consistently been argued, is associated with harm: harm against women, against children, against men and against society. Dr. Witte reviewed some of these harms, as follows.
[230] The harms against women include: exploitation; commodification; social isolation; the inevitable favouritism of some women and deprecation of others within the household; discrimination; and, impoverishment.
[231] The harms against children include: the negative impacts on their development caused by discord, violence and exploitation in the marital home; competition between mothers and siblings for the limited attention of the father; diminishment of the democratic citizenship capabilities of children as a result of being raised by mothers deprived of their basic rights; impoverishment; and, violation of their fundamental dignity.
[232] The harms against men include: the unequal distribution of spouses and related ostracism of younger men forced to compete for a scarcer supply of women; the creation of a false appetite for patriarchy; inflammation of male lust; and deprivation of the essential bond of mutuality that is unique to the marital institution.
[233] Finally, the harms to society that flow from polygamy include: threats to the social order and a greater need for social supports as women lacking education and opportunity to enhance themselves, as well as their children, find themselves impoverished upon divorce or the death of their husbands; harms to good citizenship; threats to political stability; and the undermining of human dignity and equality.
http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/SC/11/15/...
For decades, the prevailing logic has been that polygamy hurts women and children. That makes sense, since in contemporary American practice that is often the case. All of these stories are tragic, and the criminals involved should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.(That goes without saying, I hope.)

But legalizing consensual adult polygamy wouldn’t legalize rape or child abuse. In fact, it would make those crimes easier to combat.

Right now, all polygamous families, including the healthy, responsible ones, are driven into hiding. In the resulting isolation, crime and abuse can flourish unimpeded. Children in polygamous communities are taught to fear the police and are not likely to report an abusive neighbor if they suspect their own parents might be caught up in a subsequent criminal investigation. In a United States with legalized polygamy, responsible plural families could emerge from the shadows—making it easier for authorities to zero in on the criminals who remain there.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/double...
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228657 Jan 30, 2014
Most of the Court’s argument is dedicated to the original meaning of the Constitution’s religion clauses, but also noteworthy is its passing comment on the basis of the law in question, a basis that the Court at that time apparently found unquestionably legitimate:“Polygamy has always been odious among the northern and western nations of Europe ... and from the earliest history of England polygamy has been treated as an offense against society.”

Reynolds has never been overturned and indeed has been cited as an authority by the modern Supreme Court. In it the Court tells us straightforwardly the basis of laws prohibiting polygamy: moral disapproval of the practice.

http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/04/972...
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228658 Jan 30, 2014
Ism s wrote:
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Poof threatens to beat me up with impunity because he has a rainbow pass. I think it's funny. Internet tough guy! Nothing more pathetic. He's coming to CA to beat me up over a silly topix thread!
Studder

Sierra Madre, CA

#228659 Jan 30, 2014
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Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#228661 Jan 30, 2014
rabnew wrote:
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Ah touché...you called me on that one! No, I shouldn't have used it as an insult because it isn't. Apologies to all my homosexual Topix friends. I hang my head in shame.
No sarcasm here...I mean it.
The fact that Frankie doen't see being called gay is a good sign. There is hope for him yet methinks.
Don't appologize to much. True, he caught you on your poor word choice but you didn't mean it that way.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228663 Jan 30, 2014
rabnew wrote:
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Ah touché...you called me on that one! No, I shouldn't have used it as an insult because it isn't. Apologies to all my homosexual Topix friends. I hang my head in shame.
No sarcasm here...I mean it.
You're hot! And in more than just good looks.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228664 Jan 30, 2014
Six_Of_One wrote:
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The fact that Frankie doen't see being called gay is a good sign. There is hope for him yet methinks.
Don't appologize to much. True, he caught you on your poor word choice but you didn't mean it that way.
Yeah yeah, Frankie's maybe not a homophobe but he's still an icehole! I know the drill.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228665 Jan 30, 2014
Six_Of_One wrote:
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The fact that Frankie doen't see being called gay is a good sign. There is hope for him yet methinks.
Don't appologize to much. True, he caught you on your poor word choice but you didn't mean it that way.
I'd say any man who doesn't think you're pretty hot must be gay. Hubba Hubba!

Ever think about doing it with a disabled old war vet? If that kink has even the slightest appeal to you lemme know. Put a US flag over my head and do me for Old Glory! WOOO~HOOOO! WOOT!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228666 Jan 30, 2014
I see the Italians are going to try Foxy Knoxy yet again. Let me predict the outcome. They will never find her guilty of murder. She is TOO damn HOT.

All her attorney need say is "Your honor. My client is SMOKIN hot!" She will not go to jail or be executed she is TOO HOT for any hetero man to find guilty.

See if I'm wrong.

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#228667 Jan 30, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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I'd say any man who doesn't think you're pretty hot must be gay. Hubba Hubba!
Ever think about doing it with a disabled old war vet? If that kink has even the slightest appeal to you lemme know. Put a US flag over my head and do me for Old Glory! WOOO~HOOOO! WOOT!
LOL
I don't think that's an itch I'm looking to scratch :-)
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228668 Jan 30, 2014
Six_Of_One wrote:
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LOL
I don't think that's an itch I'm looking to scratch :-)
Hey, if it wasn't for me baby, you'd be speaking Viet Cong right now. A little love isn't too much to ask. Quick handie?
Reigns

Sierra Madre, CA

#228669 Jan 30, 2014
It's a new and old proven facts, stupity still reigns supreme on this topic.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228670 Jan 30, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Your own posts make you look stupid. Thanks for proving my point.
My posts say things like "The court has said the reason polygamy is illegal is because of moral disapproval. That's not a valid reason."

Your posts say things like "Your own posts make you look stupid. Thanks for proving my point."

Who's posts are more stupid?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228671 Jan 30, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
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How many times do we have to go down this road BEFORE it sinks in?
http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/SC/11/15/...
Chaulk

Sierra Madre, CA

#228672 Jan 30, 2014
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Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#228673 Jan 30, 2014
Chaulk wrote:
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1. Poof calls me "fluckhead" and stuff like that.
2, Poof routinely threatens me.
3. Poof lies like a rug.
4. Poof is not nice. Poof makes fun of my disability and violates the ADA.
5. Poof deletes my posts on all threads.
6. Poof never gets deleted.
7. Topix ain't fair ha ha!
8. Poof is a jackass!
Come and get it

Sierra Madre, CA

#228674 Jan 30, 2014
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