565 marijuana plants seized; 4 arrested

Full story: The Ukiah Daily Journal

The County of Mendocino Marijuana Eradication Team with help from the Mendocino Major Crimes Task Force seized 565 marijuana plants when raiding a home Thursday in the 2500 block of Black Hawk Drive, Willits.

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#144
Mar 12, 2010
 
Willits watcher too wrote:
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your house would be worth crap if not for the growers....who/why would anyone buy up there if not for the growing.
The only houses that pot growers buy are the cheapest, crappiest houses. And news flash, non pot growers DO move to and live in Mendocino County.
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Mar 12, 2010
 
Why not get real wrote:
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I have no problem with people growing a few plants for personal use. And I was making a few assumptions. I don't think that everyone that grows pot is a criminal. I hope we can agree that those that grow hundreds of plants and sells it for a profit is a criminal as their main goal is making money not growing some for personal use.
My main thing is to look at stuff reasonably.
when did making money become a crime? we live in a capitalist country for cryin' out loud!

those with no or very loose ethics can be considered 'criminals'. that means it's about 'how' and 'to whom' they sell what ever it is- not just that they SELL.

case in point-TOBACCO. harmful and addictive which pot isn't, btw. but we don't usually consider philip and morris criminals, unless we find they have sold us something other than what we think we are getting or they sell to children.

ethics, man, ethics-that's the difference between a criminal and an honest man. pot growers and smokers who sell to mature adults are not criminal-just against the law-and law can be flawed and is sometimes deservedly and righteously, broken.
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#146
Mar 13, 2010
 
It's a tough subject. On the one hand, if people wanna smoke a J on their porch and just mind their own business, who's business is that? Pot is readily available everywhere.

Keeping it illegal just creates an opportunity for commercial growers to make lots of money and cause lots of problems.

It is a problem, but I don't see the sense in spending massive amounts of taxpayer dollars trying to eradicate it (which you and I have to pay for)
because it isn't working and its available anyway. It just keeps prices high and criminals involved and wastes taxpayer money.

It is a problem though, because people will be irresponsible and that will cause other problems... but dealing with the dummies with a heavy hand would make them more careful.

I spent many of my happiest young years on Branscomb Road, west of Laytonville. I recently retired and I'd like to be able to move up there and work on writing and recording music, but real estate prices have exploded and there just isn't much available .. I'll keep looking around the area .. anyone want to start a microbrewery, or collaborate on jazz, or both?:?)

I'll try to come back up there if I can... right now I'm playing clubs in SF area and with some friends in LA.. but I'd love to get back to the mountains..

My 2 cents..

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Mar 13, 2010
 
Donata Waltz wrote:
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when did making money become a crime? we live in a capitalist country for cryin' out loud!
those with no or very loose ethics can be considered 'criminals'. that means it's about 'how' and 'to whom' they sell what ever it is- not just that they SELL.
case in point-TOBACCO. harmful and addictive which pot isn't, btw. but we don't usually consider philip and morris criminals, unless we find they have sold us something other than what we think we are getting or they sell to children.
ethics, man, ethics-that's the difference between a criminal and an honest man. pot growers and smokers who sell to mature adults are not criminal-just against the law-and law can be flawed and is sometimes deservedly and righteously, broken.
Sigh. Why can't you people grasp this point.

There is no problem with making lots of money.

MY point is this:

1.) Criminals want to make lots of money. They are willing to break the law to make lots of money.

2.) Making pot legal won't change the criminals. They will still want to make lots of money and will still be willing to break the law to get it.

The problem isn't with the pot being legal or not. The problem is with people being willing to break the law to make money.

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Mar 13, 2010
 
Donata Waltz wrote:
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when did making money become a crime? we live in a capitalist country for cryin' out loud!
those with no or very loose ethics can be considered 'criminals'. that means it's about 'how' and 'to whom' they sell what ever it is- not just that they SELL.
case in point-TOBACCO. harmful and addictive which pot isn't, btw. but we don't usually consider philip and morris criminals, unless we find they have sold us something other than what we think we are getting or they sell to children.
ethics, man, ethics-that's the difference between a criminal and an honest man. pot growers and smokers who sell to mature adults are not criminal-just against the law-and law can be flawed and is sometimes deservedly and righteously, broken.
Don't try and make a simple situation complicated.

If you break the law you are a criminal.

If you don't break the law you aren't.

Tobacco is legal. Pot isn't, for the most part.

Your justification can be applied to those "fat cats" on wall street also. If you want to bend morals you can justify anything.

Your justification is the same logic NAMBLA uses.
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#149
Mar 13, 2010
 
u are soooo brainwashed u communicate in sound bites u learned from the control freaks of the world. no critical thinking-go back to college they actually teach a course in it these days.

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#150
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u are soooo brainwashed u communicate in sound bites u learned from the control freaks of the world. no critical thinking-go back to college they actually teach a course in it these days.
To whom are you speaking?

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Mar 13, 2010
 
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u are soooo brainwashed u communicate in sound bites u learned from the control freaks of the world. no critical thinking-go back to college they actually teach a course in it these days.
I'm guessing me?

If you read any of my other posts you will see that I explain things in great detail. The only reason I make short quick sentences, summing my points, is because few people can grasp a concept longer than a bumper sticker.

I call it a "bumper sticker mentality". If a concept is longer or more difficult than a bumper sticker it is out of the grasp of many liberals.

I have to stay short and focused in my retorts to many here.

If you actually read some of my posts you will see that I am arguing for freedom and liberty. The liberals here are trying to convince me that more govn't control is what we need. You are telling me that I am brainwashed by the control freaks of the world? Whom hereis arguing for more govn't control? Not me.

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#152
Mar 13, 2010
 
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u are soooo brainwashed u communicate in sound bites u learned from the control freaks of the world. no critical thinking-go back to college they actually teach a course in it these days.
Critical thinking. Hmm.

I used your logic and applied it to another crime and followed it out to the logical conclusion. Apply critical thinking to your own statement.

The reasoning you use is not limited to simply laws regarding pot. Apply your logic to other crimes.

That is critical thinking.

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Mar 13, 2010
 
Why not get real wrote:
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Making pot legal won't change the criminals. They will still want to make lots of money and will still be willing to is with people being willing to break the law to make money.
But it WILL make many responsible adult recreational users of pot NOT criminals.

Someone driving on a revoked license is technically a criminal, but they aren't "making money" at it.

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But it WILL make many responsible adult recreational users of pot NOT criminals.
Someone driving on a revoked license is technically a criminal, but they aren't "making money" at it.
True. I feel like I am going in circles here.

I think it should be legalized. But that doesn't mean that I am allowed to break the law.

Not everyone that grows pot is out to make money.

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#155
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1.) No...I am not aware of any damage to kids from cannabis. Please show us this data to prove this point. No data...no proof.
2.) You oonly tax what is sold. nnot what is grown. That is common sense.
3.) Those piles of money wouldn't exist because the profit for growing woould no longer be there if cannabis was legalized. They would be put out of business. Once again...common sense.
Your above statement proves just how brain dead you really are.

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Why not get real wrote:
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True. I feel like I am going in circles here.
I think it should be legalized. But that doesn't mean that I am allowed to break the law.
Not everyone that grows pot is out to make money.
I think its because the statement you made about criminals want to make money, but not all crimes are profitable.

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I think its because the statement you made about criminals want to make money, but not all crimes are profitable.
True. Not everyone who breaks the law is out to make money. However the criminal element surrounding pot is almost always about making money. Those criminals won't stop wanting money when pot is legal. Teaching kids it is OK to sell pot is to teach kids it is OK to break the law so long as money is made.

There is a larger issue about values, morality, and respect for the law which is creating a problem much more dangerous than just pot being illegal. Parents and others are teaching kids it is OK to break a law simply because you might not agree with it. Posse's, hangings, beatings, theft, and many other crimes are all justifiable when certain morals are bent because of emotions or biases. When you start to teach that the law can be applied ambiguously, it is just that, ambiguous.

The law is supposed to be a line in the sand that divides a civilization from a mob.

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Why not get real wrote:
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True. Not everyone who breaks the law is out to make money. However the criminal element surrounding pot is almost always about making money. Those criminals won't stop wanting money when pot is legal. Teaching kids it is OK to sell pot is to teach kids it is OK to break the law so long as money is made.
There is a larger issue about values, morality, and respect for the law which is creating a problem much more dangerous than just pot being illegal. Parents and others are teaching kids it is OK to break a law simply because you might not agree with it. Posse's, hangings, beatings, theft, and many other crimes are all justifiable when certain morals are bent because of emotions or biases. When you start to teach that the law can be applied ambiguously, it is just that, ambiguous.
The law is supposed to be a line in the sand that divides a civilization from a mob.
You're 100% correct but may I remind you that your making this point to illegal drug dealers who don't care about anything except filling their own greedy needs. That's why our schools are full of pot and millions of our children are failing to achieve their primary education.

It's a fairly predictable chain of events. First these pot growers start selling their pot at the schools then the kids fall behind because pot steels their motivation, ambition and memories.

Once these kids fall behind scholastically they stop showing up at school cause no one wants to go where they are failing so they end up out on the street in groups that evolve into gangs and guess how these gangs finance themselves, that's right, by selling marijuana and guess who to, right again, more kids. The dominoes are falling here folks and our kids are the losers and the pot growers just keep getting richer.
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Mar 16, 2010
 
a notch up wrote:
Methamphetamine. Legalize it, tax it and regulate it. Sound familiar?
Ok dumbass you are compareing METH a deadly combanation of chemicals to Marijuana a plant that was here before we were as people, and has been used both medically and recreationally since long before this curupt government was ever formed. Not to mention the massive industrial industrie that hemp has to offer, that is neglected because it is a relative plant! Get real people the reason this plant ever made illegal in the first place was because a bunch of greedy pieces of shit with political pull had their money in the wrong industries (i.e. Paper mills, cotton, petroleum, etc etc) The cannibis plant has more uses than any other plant on earth, not to mention that it can easily be grown in most places. Makeing it a threat to the big money families that pull the strings in this country. Don't take my word for it do your own research, it is literally the most useful plant on the planet. Hell Henry Ford even made a car out of a plastic he made from Hemp plus a few other fibers. It probably would have revolutionized the automotive industry, but back the our government wasn't even much on the idea letting of ole Henry make hemp look like too much of a good thing. Bottom line is if we want to save this country we need to legalize this plant for not just one but for all of it's many uses. Industrial hemp used to be a top cash crop in the U.S. and I for one would love to see that day again. Food, Paper, Clothes, Fuel, Medicine, Heatlh Care products, The Plastic that Henry Ford made, Recreation, the opportunities are endless and could bring great economic stimulation to an otherwise drowning country. Wake up I'm tired of the fucking zombies

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You're 100% correct but may I remind you that your making this point to illegal drug dealers who don't care about anything except filling their own greedy needs. That's why our schools are full of pot and millions of our children are failing to achieve their primary education.
It's a fairly predictable chain of events. First these pot growers start selling their pot at the schools then the kids fall behind because pot steels their motivation, ambition and memories.
Once these kids fall behind scholastically they stop showing up at school cause no one wants to go where they are failing so they end up out on the street in groups that evolve into gangs and guess how these gangs finance themselves, that's right, by selling marijuana and guess who to, right again, more kids. The dominoes are falling here folks and our kids are the losers and the pot growers just keep getting richer.
To whom I am speaking doesn't invalidate my point. You use my audience as an argument to why my point is wrong.

Not all of the people that smoke pot are dealers.

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Your above statement proves just how brain dead you really are.
OK....? I ask you to prove your ridiculous statements....you can't and then call me the brain dead one! pot meet kettle! ROFLAO... At least I can prove every point I make. How about you do some proving now.

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To whom I am speaking doesn't invalidate my point. You use my audience as an argument to why my point is wrong.
Not all of the people that smoke pot are dealers.
I said you were right. It's mostly the drug dealers who read what you say here, not the kids or "smokers".

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