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United States

#22 Mar 7, 2013
Some people do not even deserve minimum wage, they put in zero effort or just don't care. These. People do not deserve 7 dollars an hour or 9 dollars an hour, they don't even deserve jobs. Wages should be a direct reflection of how hard a worker works or tries. Forcing compamies to pay more for bad employees is NOT right. An arbitray raise in minimum wage is paid for with higher consumer prices which we cannot afford.
Utica34 wrote:
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Some people can only earn minimum wage. That still leaves them below the property line. And now there's people talking about eliminating it? If people think crime is bad now...well just think about it.

Utica34

Since: Feb 13

Albany, NY

#23 Mar 7, 2013
you are wrong wrote:
Some people do not even deserve minimum wage, they put in zero effort or just don't care. These. People do not deserve 7 dollars an hour or 9 dollars an hour, they don't even deserve jobs. Wages should be a direct reflection of how hard a worker works or tries. Forcing compamies to pay more for bad employees is NOT right. An arbitray raise in minimum wage is paid for with higher consumer prices which we cannot afford.
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Such a simpleton. Seriously. Do you feel you're underpaid at your job? Do you put in 100% of the effort 100% of the time? If you answered yes and yes you're full of sh it. The minimum wage is standard of which all pay is based from. Do you really want Walmart paying 2 bucks an hour to someone? Do you really think business will self regulate itself? Do you not think wages should increase with inflation? Get off your high horse man.
IdiotsrUS

Cicero, NY

#24 Mar 7, 2013
Economist say raising the minimum wage wil force companies to ELIMINATE jobs. So higher nemployment.
Economists say raising the minimum wage causes produts and services to increase in price hurting the poor and middle class.

Utica34

Since: Feb 13

Albany, NY

#25 Mar 7, 2013
IdiotsrUS wrote:
Economist say raising the minimum wage wil force companies to ELIMINATE jobs. So higher nemployment.
Economists say raising the minimum wage causes produts and services to increase in price hurting the poor and middle class.
Some have that opinion and some don't. Its pretty much a 50/50 split actually.
wonder

Syracuse, NY

#26 Mar 7, 2013
The reason we need to raise minimum wage is because OB welfare you make much more. Why do we not look at lowering welfare. Also minimum wage in working Utica vs NYC are separate worlds

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#28 Mar 7, 2013
Really wrote:
What other side? Government should not be in the business of setting minimum wages, there are many out there that are not worth the $7.25 per hour now. These are start out jobs, not career jobs.
Increasing minimus does nothing but increase consumer costs and force people to pay more. People will have less money and government will get more to waste.
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What other side? How about the said that it will increase the standard of living of millions of Americans?

Oh, the "increase cost" argument is complete bullshit.
You make sense

New Hartford, NY

#29 Mar 7, 2013
Utica34 wrote:
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Yes. Raising the minimum wage may increase consumer costs but the employee is also paid more. Consumer costs will still and do rise without increases to the minimum wage.
Using your school of thought maybe everyone should work for free at minimum wage positions. We can bring back slavery. Think about how cheap consumer products would be then?
First, of all, thank you for making sense and clearly making a point.
I must add to this conversation, that I truly believe minimum wage should be inceased. The cost of living goes up, so should minimum wage. My problem is that the increase is significant. This may hurt the small buisness person. Wouldn't it make sense, to raise it more often and have it be gradual? What are your thoughts on this?
Not one difference

New Hartford, NY

#30 Mar 7, 2013
wonder wrote:
The reason we need to raise minimum wage is because OB welfare you make much more. Why do we not look at lowering welfare. Also minimum wage in working Utica vs NYC are separate worlds
Unfortunately, I don't think it will make one bit of difference to those who are working the system. We should look at lowering welfare...but neither democrats or republicans ever do anything about it. The only president that has ever done anything about welfare was Clinton. Why do they continue to pay people Not to work. It is unbelievable.
Ban

New Hartford, NY

#31 Mar 7, 2013
t POLITIX wrote:
Hey, you troll, ban yourself from topix, ok?
You are obviously angry at the original post. Instead of throwing insults, that no one cares about, try and make a point next time.
Chinaman

Utica, NY

#32 Mar 7, 2013
Thank you for raising the minimus wage, that means more companies will be moving to my country and make our economy even stronger. We are the new
World power, while the US has turned into a welfare country with an economy going backwards
ADK

Waterville, NY

#33 Mar 7, 2013
Utica34 wrote:
<quoted text>No the point is not over my head at all. That's what people say to others when they can not further defend their point.

Leaving the minimum wage standards to be dictated by business? Are you insane? Yeah that worked well before. Lets take away safety regulation while we're at it as well. That should bring the costs down.
You're wrong. If it is really about the min wage earner why not just eliminate taxes for them? It seems like the best solution doesn't it? They would bring home more pay, the small business owner would not have additional cost, hence no increase to pass on the the consumer.

They won't do it because its all about getting more taxes.
Great post

Utica, NY

#34 Mar 7, 2013
BINGO, you got it. Raising minimum wage is all about more taxes.
ADK wrote:
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You're wrong. If it is really about the min wage earner why not just eliminate taxes for them? It seems like the best solution doesn't it? They would bring home more pay, the small business owner would not have additional cost, hence no increase to pass on the the consumer.
They won't do it because its all about getting more taxes.
BS

Utica, NY

#35 Mar 7, 2013
Great post wrote:
<quoted text>BINGO, you got it. Raising minimum wage is all about more taxes.
If you are still making minimum wage after working for years, it is probably because you don't stay in one job for any length of time, either because you are not worth even the minimum wage or you simply don't stay in a Jon long enough to get off the bottom rung. If you are working for minimum wage you probably pay very little taxes if any. The employer would pay less taxes because of the higher expense and his taxes would have been at a higher rate. Of he cuts employees or employee's hours to maintain profits, them he pays the same taxes, and the min wage employee still pays next to nothing or very little. Raising the minimum wage simply reduces the number of jobs available to the low skilled worker, there is no boon for the taxman.

Utica34

Since: Feb 13

Albany, NY

#36 Mar 7, 2013
ADK wrote:
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You're wrong. If it is really about the min wage earner why not just eliminate taxes for them? It seems like the best solution doesn't it? They would bring home more pay, the small business owner would not have additional cost, hence no increase to pass on the the consumer.
They won't do it because its all about getting more taxes.
It's not just about getting more tax? How would a worker feel who makes ten bucks an hour but pays tax versus someone making minimum wage and pays no tax? Abolishing tax on minimum wage workers is absurd.

Utica34

Since: Feb 13

Albany, NY

#37 Mar 7, 2013
You make sense wrote:
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First, of all, thank you for making sense and clearly making a point.
I must add to this conversation, that I truly believe minimum wage should be inceased. The cost of living goes up, so should minimum wage. My problem is that the increase is significant. This may hurt the small buisness person. Wouldn't it make sense, to raise it more often and have it be gradual? What are your thoughts on this?
I have always thought that minimum wage should be adjusted with inflation.

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#38 Mar 11, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
Raising the minimum eage INCREASES consumer costs and takes money out of the economy. Raising the minimus wage is a TAX hike on the working people and makes the poor poorer.
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Wrong again goofy! When the Minimum Wage was originally introduced those same arguments were raised, every time an increase in Minimum Wage is passed the same arguments are raised. Look at the Historical Record. NONE of what you said is accurate.

Utica34

Since: Feb 13

Albany, NY

#39 Mar 11, 2013
I say just make every minimum wage position a slave position. Give them some water and bread and that's it. Imagine how much consumer costs would go down...or top executives bonus' will go up. Either or.
laughable

New York, NY

#40 Mar 11, 2013
ADK wrote:
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You're wrong. If it is really about the min wage earner why not just eliminate taxes for them? It seems like the best solution doesn't it? They would bring home more pay, the small business owner would not have additional cost, hence no increase to pass on the the consumer.
They won't do it because its all about getting more taxes.
Well, lets see. People making minimum wage would fall into the 10% tax bracket for federal taxes. Factor in the standard deduction and personal exemption and their taxable income is next to zero if not zero. Then there is the earned income credit they will surely qualify for. So your argument about "just eliminating taxes for them" is already a reality and has been.

Them lead paint chips got you slow in the noggin I take it?

Minimum wage and social security income both should be indexed for inflation and adjustments made annually, not every so many years, or decades for that matter.

The idea that a minimum wage increase is going to hurt the economy and businesses is partially true. While the initial increase may pose a hardship, eventually those workers are making more, and spending more. At some point, that increase in outlays businesses are making in the form of wages will be offset by increases in sales. Its the same idea behind some of these tax stimulus plans, where the government hands you back a few hundred dollars, hoping that you pump that back into the economy. Unlike the one shot stimulus dollars, increasing wages will have a longer lasting effect.

Utica34

Since: Feb 13

Albany, NY

#41 Mar 11, 2013
laughable wrote:
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Well, lets see. People making minimum wage would fall into the 10% tax bracket for federal taxes. Factor in the standard deduction and personal exemption and their taxable income is next to zero if not zero. Then there is the earned income credit they will surely qualify for. So your argument about "just eliminating taxes for them" is already a reality and has been.
Them lead paint chips got you slow in the noggin I take it?
Minimum wage and social security income both should be indexed for inflation and adjustments made annually, not every so many years, or decades for that matter.
The idea that a minimum wage increase is going to hurt the economy and businesses is partially true. While the initial increase may pose a hardship, eventually those workers are making more, and spending more. At some point, that increase in outlays businesses are making in the form of wages will be offset by increases in sales. Its the same idea behind some of these tax stimulus plans, where the government hands you back a few hundred dollars, hoping that you pump that back into the economy. Unlike the one shot stimulus dollars, increasing wages will have a longer lasting effect.
You do realize that the majority of uticans will not be able to comprehend this correct? Lol
worker

New York, NY

#42 Mar 11, 2013
Sure it sounds nice, we should raise minimum wage to help people because we are a nice caring society. But that is now how laws and policy should be created. The more legislation is cranked out of Albany and Washington the more unintended consequences we suffer.
The problem is not that workers are not paid enough, the problem is that the dollars we are paid are worth less. So if you raise minimum wage in the short term people will see some benefit and however inflation will take a sharp turn up because cost of business will rise so goods and services will be more expensive.
Also job opportunities will be reduced. If you if your an employer and you only have X for a payroll budget you may have to hire less employees. So less people will have to do more work.

Sure this is all debatable, but one thing I believe and I think people should consider: Neither Republicans or Democrats care more than the other. The ideological difference is that Democrats generally believe that businesses will become corrupt eventually. Republicans generally believe that ultimately government will become bloated and overbearing and that private industry can do a lot of things better.

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