Truth

Utica, NY

#23 Oct 6, 2013
Listen wrote:
When the government gets involved in anything we all know how it turns out. They can't even run the country yet they want to dictate our educational programs. Just look at what is happening now with the shut down. Educators should decide what is taught in classrooms not politicians because politicians will go with any crazy idea that puts money in their pockets. They are not in politics to help the country . They are there to make money for themselves.
Who exactly is it that you believe that is setting the standard? It isn't some clandestine, black department of government like in George Orwell's "1984".

It's educators with input from parents creating and overseeing the implementation of Common Core standard. Do you not remember and understand that the US has lost ground over the past few generations when compared with the rest of the world?

http://www.corestandards.org/resources/freque...
"Local teachers, principals, and superintendents lead the implementation of the Common Core."

Think back. Remember the No Child Left Behind program. It was designed to create a standard so that no child could be just passed through the system as was happening previously. The federal government went to state departments of education and asked them to create a program for improvement with specific benchmarks to measure progress. When the benchmark dates arrived and schools hadn't achieved the goals they themselves had set for themselves, they hated the idea and said NCLB was no good. Opposition to Common Core is mainly coming from the same place. Unions. It exposes the shortcomings in the system.

If not Common Core then what? Should we continually accept mediocrity in public education that leads to more decline when compared to other countries around the world just so teachers don't look bad? That doesn't serve future generations of children at all.
Real Truth

United States

#24 Oct 6, 2013
Marxism
anon

Utica, NY

#25 Oct 6, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>Who exactly is it that you believe that is setting the standard? It isn't some clandestine, black department of government like in George Orwell's "1984".

It's educators with input from parents creating and overseeing the implementation of Common Core standard. Do you not remember and understand that the US has lost ground over the past few generations when compared with the rest of the world?

http://www.corestandards.org/resources/freque...
"Local teachers, principals, and superintendents lead the implementation of the Common Core."

Think back. Remember the No Child Left Behind program. It was designed to create a standard so that no child could be just passed through the system as was happening previously. The federal government went to state departments of education and asked them to create a program for improvement with specific benchmarks to measure progress. When the benchmark dates arrived and schools hadn't achieved the goals they themselves had set for themselves, they hated the idea and said NCLB was no good. Opposition to Common Core is mainly coming from the same place. Unions. It exposes the shortcomings in the system.

If not Common Core then what? Should we continually accept mediocrity in public education that leads to more decline when compared to other countries around the world just so teachers don't look bad? That doesn't serve future generations of children at all.
The 'implementation'....not the design. Look into the Gates Foundation Module design. It all goes back to Gates.
anon

Utica, NY

#26 Oct 6, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>Who exactly is it that you believe that is setting the standard? It isn't some clandestine, black department of government like in George Orwell's "1984".

It's educators with input from parents creating and overseeing the implementation of Common Core standard. Do you not remember and understand that the US has lost ground over the past few generations when compared with the rest of the world?

http://www.corestandards.org/resources/freque...
"Local teachers, principals, and superintendents lead the implementation of the Common Core."

Think back. Remember the No Child Left Behind program. It was designed to create a standard so that no child could be just passed through the system as was happening previously. The federal government went to state departments of education and asked them to create a program for improvement with specific benchmarks to measure progress. When the benchmark dates arrived and schools hadn't achieved the goals they themselves had set for themselves, they hated the idea and said NCLB was no good. Opposition to Common Core is mainly coming from the same place. Unions. It exposes the shortcomings in the system.

If not Common Core then what? Should we continually accept mediocrity in public education that leads to more decline when compared to other countries around the world just so teachers don't look bad? That doesn't serve future generations of children at all.
And teachers believe CCSS are good...it's the incessant testing that is the downer.
end of an era

Rome, NY

#27 Oct 6, 2013
Citizen fed up wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is John Galt?!
I don't want my child cut from the same cookie cutter as all the others. Common core is robotic. Let's be realistic about education. Forget statistics they can be manipulated. Common core leaves no room to nuture or promote individual strengths. Let's be realistic someone with an IQ of 80 is not going to go t. College. A kid who has to hustle for survival isn't going to invest in school. NYS needs a more diverse program. Instead of pushing everyone in the same direction. Focus on education related to a useful trade for those who are not academically inclined. Push job corps programs for the less fortunate. Have charter schools that nurture skills such as music/ art, sci&#281;nces. Leave regular education for the rest. Think about it Einstein could not even read, how well would he have done with the common core. Create programs that are realistic and give everyone a chance to become productive members of society. First hand I've seen kids not be able to read when they get to the 9th grade whether due to disability or environment, common core won't help those kids only identify their faults and instead of being passed on they will be held back the end result will still be a student who eventually drops out. Give that kid a skill and at least they can find a job.
American

Utica, NY

#28 Oct 6, 2013
end of an era wrote:
<quoted text> beautifully put. Common core does increase rigor, but I'm doing so kills individuality and squashes creativity. So in the long run children will lose their ability to to extract their own ideas. Say goodbye to the scientists, inventors and entrepreneurs.
They teach about religions such as Hindu, islam, buddhism, and others hut NOT Christianity. What's up with that?
Truth

Utica, NY

#29 Oct 7, 2013
anon wrote:
<quoted text>
The 'implementation'....not the design. Look into the Gates Foundation Module design. It all goes back to Gates.
"Who was involved in the Common Core State Standards Initiative?
States across the country collaborated with teachers, researchers, and leading experts to design and develop the Common Core State Standards. Each state independently made the decision to adopt the Common Core State Standards, beginning in 2010. The federal government was NOT involved in the development of the standards. Local teachers, principals, and superintendents lead the implementation of the Common Core."

http://www.corestandards.org/resources/freque...

Again, this is not some clandestine effort to manufacture drones. It's an effort to improve education in order to improve students(and ultimately our country) abilty to compete in a global economy. In case you hadn't noticed we are losing that battle. Big business sounded the alarm because they aren't pleased with the quality of employee they are getting. Government answered the call and is trying to improve the situation.

What is the alternative really? Should we maintain the stats quo and continue to lose ground to other countries around the world?
anon

Utica, NY

#30 Oct 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>"Who was involved in the Common Core State Standards Initiative?
States across the country collaborated with teachers, researchers, and leading experts to design and develop the Common Core State Standards. Each state independently made the decision to adopt the Common Core State Standards, beginning in 2010. The federal government was NOT involved in the development of the standards. Local teachers, principals, and superintendents lead the implementation of the Common Core."

http://www.corestandards.org/resources/freque...

Again, this is not some clandestine effort to manufacture drones. It's an effort to improve education in order to improve students(and ultimately our country) abilty to compete in a global economy. In case you hadn't noticed we are losing that battle. Big business sounded the alarm because they aren't pleased with the quality of employee they are getting. Government answered the call and is trying to improve the situation.

What is the alternative really? Should we maintain the stats quo and continue to lose ground to other countries around the world?
They did NOT collaborate with teachers
Truth

Utica, NY

#31 Oct 7, 2013
anon wrote:
<quoted text>
They did NOT collaborate with teachers
So they are lying then?
Everything I've read about this contradicts what you say. This for instance:
"Myths About Process

Myth: No teachers were involved in writing the Standards.

Fact: The common core state standards drafting process relied on teachers and standards experts from across the country. In addition, there were many state experts that came together to create the most thoughtful and transparent process of standard setting. This was only made possible by many states working together."

From:
http://www.corestandards.org/resources/myths-...
Truth

Utica, NY

#32 Oct 7, 2013
anon wrote:
<quoted text>
They did NOT collaborate with teachers
Did the teacher's union tell you this?
anon

Waltham, MA

#33 Oct 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>So they are lying then?
Everything I've read about this contradicts what you say. This for instance:
"Myths About Process

Myth: No teachers were involved in writing the Standards.

Fact: The common core state standards drafting process relied on teachers and standards experts from across the country. In addition, there were many state experts that came together to create the most thoughtful and transparent process of standard setting. This was only made possible by many states working together."

From:
http://www.corestandards.org/resources/myths-...
Stop reading drivel and start reading first-hand accounts.
Please Evolve

West Hartford, CT

#34 Oct 7, 2013
The Issue Is not The Common Core. The Issue Lies In The Modules Tha The UCSD Rammed Down The Throats Of The Community Without Any Type Of Plan On How To Implement. Had The Leaders Consulted Tge Professionals, They could Have Done It Gradually BY Grade Level. Instead, Tbere Is No Direction From Administration And They Say They Didnt Adopt This Methodology. Tgey Claim They Will ADapt It. Some Honest Administrators Know It Is Not Working And Wanted To Dump The Modules Butthe Higher Ups Said No. Again, No Leadership.
Truth

New Hartford, NY

#35 Oct 7, 2013
THE HISTORY OF MATH

Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. Why do I tell you this?

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:

1. Teaching Math in the 1950s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit ?

2. Teaching Math in the 1960s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?

3. Teaching Math in the 1970s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?

4. Teaching Math in the 1980s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.

5. Teaching Math in the 1990s
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes?(There are no wrong answers, and if you feel like crying, it's ok.)

6. Teaching Math in the 2000s

If you have special needs or just feel you need assistance because of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, age, childhood memories, criminal background, then don't answer and the correct answer will be provided for you. There are no wrong answers.

7. Teaching Math in 2013
Un hachero vende una carrtada de maderapara 100 pesos. El costo de la producciones es 80 pesos. Cuanto dinero ha hecho?
conteisha

Verona, NY

#36 Oct 7, 2013
wat is tis comon core. do my daegter needs to now tis to pass i wat good teecher formycild to lean so she graduwates do they teech tis
end of an era

Milton, MA

#37 Oct 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
THE HISTORY OF MATH
Last week I purchased a burger at Burger King for $1.58. The counter girl took my $2 and I was digging for my change when I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies, while looking at the screen on her register. I sensed her discomfort and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help. Why do I tell you this?
Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:
1. Teaching Math in the 1950s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit ?
2. Teaching Math in the 1960s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?
3. Teaching Math in the 1970s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?
4. Teaching Math in the 1980s
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.
5. Teaching Math in the 1990s
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes?(There are no wrong answers, and if you feel like crying, it's ok.)
6. Teaching Math in the 2000s
If you have special needs or just feel you need assistance because of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, age, childhood memories, criminal background, then don't answer and the correct answer will be provided for you. There are no wrong answers.
7. Teaching Math in 2013
Un hachero vende una carrtada de maderapara 100 pesos. El costo de la producciones es 80 pesos. Cuanto dinero ha hecho?
best post yet
Truth

Utica, NY

#38 Oct 7, 2013
anon wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop reading drivel and start reading first-hand accounts.
Drivel?
These are government and education sites I'm reading.

Should I look at teacher union blogs for the "real" information? First hand accounts from teachers who's panties are in a wad because they believe they know how to best teach and prepare this generation of students for success in a global economy perhaps?

Wake up. The world is having our lunch when it comes to education and as a result competitiveness. Do you have a better suggestion? Should we go back to the old ways that led to our decline.
More truth

New Hartford, NY

#39 Oct 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Drivel?
These are government and education sites I'm reading.
Should I look at teacher union blogs for the "real" information? First hand accounts from teachers who's panties are in a wad because they believe they know how to best teach and prepare this generation of students for success in a global economy perhaps?
Wake up. The world is having our lunch when it comes to education and as a result competitiveness. Do you have a better suggestion? Should we go back to the old ways that led to our decline.
Teachers are ONLY concerned about preserving their paychecks. Most have no real world experience and even fewer could ever make it outside of a classroom. What we are experiencing is the blending of state-ism and education. History is again repeating itself.
anon

Utica, NY

#40 Oct 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>Drivel?
These are government and education sites I'm reading.

Should I look at teacher union blogs for the "real" information? First hand accounts from teachers who's panties are in a wad because they believe they know how to best teach and prepare this generation of students for success in a global economy perhaps?

Wake up. The world is having our lunch when it comes to education and as a result competitiveness. Do you have a better suggestion? Should we go back to the old ways that led to our decline.
I was in the room when the Gates Foundation rolled out the new module prompts and standards. They came from Gates and the business community. Your thoughts on unions are clouding your brain...
anon

Utica, NY

#41 Oct 7, 2013
More truth wrote:
<quoted text>Teachers are ONLY concerned about preserving their paychecks. Most have no real world experience and even fewer could ever make it outside of a classroom. What we are experiencing is the blending of state-ism and education. History is again repeating itself.
Do you teach? Do you personally know any teachers? If you understood the job a bit more, you wouldn't make those comments. Not ALL teachers are in it for the measly paycheck.
So True

New Hartford, NY

#42 Oct 7, 2013
anon wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you teach? Do you personally know any teachers? If you understood the job a bit more, you wouldn't make those comments. Not ALL teachers are in it for the measly paycheck.
I know plenty and although they are dedicated to their profession, like most public servants they are spoiled and have no concept of the working world beyond the class room. Using the math example cited in an earlier response clearly shows the problem. Some how, the word "profit" has become demonized in society today. Rather than teach our children practical skills that will ensure the survival of our once great nation, we have gone way off course. Instead, we promote careers in teaching where you're done by 3 PM, have summers off etc. Maybe that's why we are failing!

http://www.cfr.org/education/us-education-sli...

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