Common Core: What Are They Pushing?

Common Core: What Are They Pushing?

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Couldnt Care Less

Ashburn, VA

#2 Oct 5, 2013
The teachers need to work harder! They get paid enough. They've been babied for years. They have summers off. When they are told to put in more effort, they squwak. All they want to do is float along like dead wood! Sad,really.
Truth

Utica, NY

#3 Oct 5, 2013
Common Core standards were developed because of the outcomes that were being achieved without them. Teachers and their school districts left to their own devices were not succeeding in graduating students that all had at least a minimal, consistent set of skills. We've all heard the stories about high school graduates who are unable to read or solve simple math problems. That's because without a common set of standards and no consequences it was just easier to pass these children through the system.

A Common Core curriculum and standard tests are the best way we have to assess the individual student's strengths and weaknesses and to allocate resources based on those results.

Teachers don't like it because they are no longer able to teach what they want, when they want and how they want with real objective standard for judging their outcomes. As with anything new this will be tweaked over time as the shortcomings are exposed. What I hope doesn't happen is for teachers unions to exercise their considerable power to lower the bar. If that happens we as a country will continue to lose ground to the rest of the world when it comes to education.
Truth

Utica, NY

#4 Oct 5, 2013
correction:

"Teachers don't like it because they are no longer able to teach what they want, when they want and how they want with real objective standard for judging their outcomes"

should read:

"Teachers don't like it because they are no longer able to teach what they want, when they want and how they want with no real objective standard for judging their outcomes
Joe Schmoe

Utica, NY

#5 Oct 5, 2013
Really? Anyone with half a pea brain can see it's a govt control, system conditioning, bullshittt socialist communist indoctrination, re-education program. Anybody who tries to sell the textbook propaganda PR line like "truth" here should be imprisoned at GITMO. No teaching or learning, but programming, conditioning and indoctrinating according to what the "state" wants the little mush minds to grow up believing. It's so fast paced and stringent that teachers have little time, aside from the program adherence accountability factors, to deviate and "teach" or encourage "creative", real learning thought processes. As a result kids are being spit out like assembly line system robots like never before. The public education system hasn't really been a place for real creative thought and real learning, but the Common Core is an in your face govt indoctrination program. If you scrutinize it you cannot see it otherwise. Many of the items taught are riddled with clear socialist ideology, especially in the social studies content.
end of an era

Rome, NY

#6 Oct 5, 2013
Joe Schmoe wrote:
Really? Anyone with half a pea brain can see it's a govt control, system conditioning, bullshittt socialist communist indoctrination, re-education program. Anybody who tries to sell the textbook propaganda PR line like "truth" here should be imprisoned at GITMO. No teaching or learning, but programming, conditioning and indoctrinating according to what the "state" wants the little mush minds to grow up believing. It's so fast paced and stringent that teachers have little time, aside from the program adherence accountability factors, to deviate and "teach" or encourage "creative", real learning thought processes. As a result kids are being spit out like assembly line system robots like never before. The public education system hasn't really been a place for real creative thought and real learning, but the Common Core is an in your face govt indoctrination program. If you scrutinize it you cannot see it otherwise. Many of the items taught are riddled with clear socialist ideology, especially in the social studies content.
beautifully put. Common core does increase rigor, but I'm doing so kills individuality and squashes creativity. So in the long run children will lose their ability to to extract their own ideas. Say goodbye to the scientists, inventors and entrepreneurs.
anon

Utica, NY

#7 Oct 5, 2013
Pearson is being paid BILLIONS to develop assessments, along with PARCC. Then they profit off of students failing said exams by marketing remedial materials to states and school districts. Teachers have NO PROBLEM with the CCSS ( Common Core State Standards), but there is so much testing that there is no time for teaching or learning. Connect the dots between Gates, PARCC, and Pearson...follow the money behind the push for CCSS.
anon

Utica, NY

#8 Oct 5, 2013
...also check out the teaching modules on EngageNY, and you will see more reason for teachers and parents to be upset. They are scripted down to the last question. If you can't deviate from the script, how do you reach those students who aren't grasping the material? Teachers are being evaluated on those scores but aren't allowed to deviate from the script. How is that fair?
anon

Utica, NY

#9 Oct 5, 2013
BHO

Utica, NY

#10 Oct 5, 2013
anon wrote:
...also check out the teaching modules on EngageNY, and you will see more reason for teachers and parents to be upset. They are scripted down to the last question. If you can't deviate from the script, how do you reach those students who aren't grasping the material? Teachers are being evaluated on those scores but aren't allowed to deviate from the script. How is that fair?
You hit it on the head. The teacher mathematics guide is intensely scripted. The guide for the first module (I believe 30 school days) is over 200 pages long. The standards are fine but the testing is a joke. The student is left to decipher which concepts to apply to a cryptic word problem. These types of critical thinking problems are ok once the concepts are drilled in and the teacher has time to explain tougher problems, but that is not happening. Students are required to dive into some pretty challenging problems early in the school year. The result is going to be more and more students who hate math when the opposite should be happening.
Truth

Utica, NY

#11 Oct 6, 2013
BHO wrote:
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You hit it on the head. The teacher mathematics guide is intensely scripted. The guide for the first module (I believe 30 school days) is over 200 pages long. The standards are fine but the testing is a joke. The student is left to decipher which concepts to apply to a cryptic word problem. These types of critical thinking problems are ok once the concepts are drilled in and the teacher has time to explain tougher problems, but that is not happening. Students are required to dive into some pretty challenging problems early in the school year. The result is going to be more and more students who hate math when the opposite should be happening.
So is the answer to let every teacher and/or every district come up with their own cirriculm? Is the answer to remove all consequences for passing students through the system and turning them loose on the world without basic reading, writing and math skills?

We live in a global economy. The days when a high school gradutate could get a job at the local factory wher his/her dad worked for 40 years and retired with a small pension are long gone. They are not coming back either. Educations is everything. Core standards that ensure that each student gets the same information and develops the basic skillset required to suvive in ths information age has never been more important. Ask any college recruiter about assessing students without a common standard like SAT. Ask who they think is the better student, and honor student from New York or an honor student from Alabama or Mississippi.

Common Core may not be the best system for doing this but it's like what they say about the US government. It stinks....except for all of the others.
Wondering

Watervliet, NY

#12 Oct 6, 2013
Dear truth while I agree that NY students are better this common core crap is not what is good for our future students. Emphasis is no longer placed on the basics. Without a proper foundation a building will fall. English is no longer taught as a subject. The kids are expected to learn sentence structure by just reading. The mechanics is not taught hence the poor writing skills. The testing companies are the only ones learning---learning how to take more and more money from districts that can't afford it.
Marty

Watervliet, NY

#13 Oct 6, 2013
Friday I had to bring my son his medicine and I stopped into his classroom and walked in on the teacher reading to them about Mesopotamia which was in the new common core module. He is in first grade! These children hardly know what street they live on. I'm all for a better education for my child but this is a little out there. Oh I forgot to tell you that they had to answer questions about the reading in sentences. So you can think its great but I saw the the little faces that didn't know what the hell the teacher was talking about.

anon

Utica, NY

#14 Oct 6, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>So is the answer to let every teacher and/or every district come up with their own cirriculm? Is the answer to remove all consequences for passing students through the system and turning them loose on the world without basic reading, writing and math skills?

We live in a global economy. The days when a high school gradutate could get a job at the local factory wher his/her dad worked for 40 years and retired with a small pension are long gone. They are not coming back either. Educations is everything. Core standards that ensure that each student gets the same information and develops the basic skillset required to suvive in ths information age has never been more important. Ask any college recruiter about assessing students without a common standard like SAT. Ask who they think is the better student, and honor student from New York or an honor student from Alabama or Mississippi.

Common Core may not be the best system for doing this but it's like what they say about the US government. It stinks....except for all of the others.
The issue isn't Common Core...we all have issues with the constant testing. Kids in NYS were tested last year on material they were never taught, hence the 30% drop in scores on state assessments across the board.
Listen

Watervliet, NY

#15 Oct 6, 2013
When the government gets involved in anything we all know how it turns out. They can't even run the country yet they want to dictate our educational programs. Just look at what is happening now with the shut down. Educators should decide what is taught in classrooms not politicians because politicians will go with any crazy idea that puts money in their pockets. They are not in politics to help the country . They are there to make money for themselves.
Well said

Utica, NY

#16 Oct 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
Dear truth while I agree that NY students are better this common core crap is not what is good for our future students. Emphasis is no longer placed on the basics. Without a proper foundation a building will fall. English is no longer taught as a subject. The kids are expected to learn sentence structure by just reading. The mechanics is not taught hence the poor writing skills. The testing companies are the only ones learning---learning how to take more and more money from districts that can't afford it.
Well said. About the only thing this core bulllshite is teaching kids is how to be little robots of the state and only how to take tests, and the teachers are only "teaching" or coaching the students on how to pass the tests, since it is directly tied into gauging their (the teacher's) ability to implement the core and compliance to it only, not learning. Inherently meaning teacher's job security is at stake, not the real education of the kids. Sure the corporations make big profits servicing the govt with this, but the greater concern is WHY would these govt entities actually buy into and mandate this garbage knowing full well the costs and the systematic, willful dumbing down of the students? The answers are clear and shocking. Sure the PR propaganda machine is ALWAYS going to pkg and sell it like it's actually the best possible thing for the kids and our nation's future so the lethargic sheeple go along with it without any real, informed opposition. I agree that it's about govt control and manipulation, conditioning, programing and indoctrination. THE KIDS ARE BEING PROGRAMMED NOT TO ASK QUESTIONS AND ACCEPT WHAT'S BEING SURREPTITIOUSLY FOISTED UPON THEM... Hey, we stand by and LET IT BE DONE!
Well said

Utica, NY

#17 Oct 6, 2013
Listen wrote:
When the government gets involved in anything we all know how it turns out. They can't even run the country yet they want to dictate our educational programs. Just look at what is happening now with the shut down. Educators should decide what is taught in classrooms not politicians because politicians will go with any crazy idea that puts money in their pockets. They are not in politics to help the country . They are there to make money for themselves.
Bravo! Ain't that the truth!
Curious

Watervliet, NY

#18 Oct 6, 2013
New York's commissioner of education the guy that tells us what will be taught but more importantly how it will be taught never spent a day teaching in a classroom. It's like having a sewer cleaner do your colonoscopy.
Citizen fed up

Durhamville, NY

#19 Oct 6, 2013
end of an era wrote:
<quoted text> beautifully put. Common core does increase rigor, but I'm doing so kills individuality and squashes creativity. So in the long run children will lose their ability to to extract their own ideas. Say goodbye to the scientists, inventors and entrepreneurs.
Who is John Galt?!
wow

Schenectady, NY

#20 Oct 6, 2013
Much like NY's dysfunctional family court system which pits loving parents against each other involving "custody" which is such a terrible word, it spawned ancillary services. Therapists, social workers and many others feed off the problems created by a system that was designed to be intentionally flawed.

Follow me here. Well now the same can be said about NY's education standards that are more concerned about "discussing feelings" than actually teaching basic skills. This will inevitably kick off more learning centers and tutoring services. Much like Hitler youth, education today is about Indoctrination.
Curious

Watervliet, NY

#21 Oct 6, 2013
I know one thing for sure he certainly isn't the commissioner!!!!' Citizen Fed up- are you trying to impress us with your intelligence? You need to learn what John Gault actually means within our society. Fictitious people do not deserve to be emulated or held up for idolizing ...,,,

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