Obama's Second Term

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#608 Aug 18, 2012
Robert L Lorth wrote:
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Hmmmmm - I'm much more embarrassed by the fact that George Bush attacked Iraq claiming they were a threat to our National Security when they clearly were not. Yep - much more embarrassed by killing hundreds of thousands of people rather than any economic woes. But then again, I don't figure Obama is responsible for all of our economic woes either. The bankers situating themselves in such bad shape didn't happen on his watch and a country doesn't recover from that sort of thing overnight. When an individual gets himself too deep in debt and doesn't file bankruptcy - it can take years to recover - a country can't file bankruptcy and it will takes us years to recover - well, once we quit spending like Immelda Marcos on a shoe shopping spree anyway.
I agree with you in part. It is going to take years to get ourselves out of the hole and that is if we stop spending like their is no tomorrow. I don't know why ANYONE would want the job of president at this point in time.
4the3

Wichita, KS

#609 Aug 18, 2012
THE HAMMER wrote:
I don't put much credibility in reporting done by 60 minutes here is an example;
'60 Minutes’ Edits Out Crucial Point by Ryan
Monday, 13 Aug 2012 02:10 PM
By Patrick Hobin
A critical comment about Medicare by vice presidential pick Paul Ryan was curiously edited out of the “60 Minutes” interview which aired on Sunday night, HotAir.com reported.
Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney and Ryan were interviewed for the program by Bob Schieffer of CBS News, who referred to a newspaper headline in Florida saying Ryan hurts Romney in the state because of his Medicare plan.
“There’s only one president that I know of in history that robbed Medicare,$716 billion to pay for a new risky program of his own that we call Obamacare,” Romney told Schieffer.“What Paul Ryan and I have talked about is saving Medicare, is providing people greater choice in Medicare, making sure it’s there for current seniors. No changes, by the way, for current seniors, or those nearing retirement. But looking for young people down the road and saying,‘We’re going to give you a bigger choice.’ In America, the nature of this country has been giving people more freedom, more choices. That’s how we make Medicare work down the road.”
According to HotAir.com , the following remark by Ryan was cut and did not air but is crucial in explaining to viewers, especially Florida seniors, that his plan does not affect senior citizens and that his own mother is a Medicare senior.
Read more on Newsmax.com :'60 Minutes’ Edits Out Crucial Point by Ryan
Romney-Ryan plan also cuts 700+ billion out of the medicare plan too. So what if Ryan brings his mother on stage, Pres. Obama's mother-in-law receives medicare too. If the Affordable health care Act was so damn bad, then why is it that 98% of the people of Massachusetts insured and you have not heard of one person in Massachusetts being hauled off to jail or being stripped of all their earthly goods because they did not pay the DAMN MANDATE!! SO SHUT UP YOU CONSPIRACY NUT!!!
THE HAMMER

Wichita, KS

#610 Aug 18, 2012
60 minutes will not do this investigation I glad that the truth is out there for people to see all you have to look.

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THE HAMMER

Wichita, KS

#611 Aug 18, 2012
There is a substantial difference between the Romney/Ryan approach—which attempts to reform Medicare in order to preserve the program’s own solvency for future beneficiaries—and the Obamacare approach, which draws $716 billion out of Medicare in order to fund a large expansion of government-subsidized health insurance.

The Obama approach involves (at best) doing nothing to change our long-term fiscal problems, because it cuts Medicare by $716 billion in order to fund $1.9 trillion in new health care spending. The Romney and Ryan approaches involve resolving our long-term fiscal problems, by stabilizing entitlements and reducing the deficit.

If we are going to have a demagogic debate in which leading Democrats allege that Paul Ryan wants to kill granny and “end” Medicare—Exhibit A is below—then somebody has to point out that Obama cuts Medicare more. I would much rather have the debate that Ezra and Aaron want to have. It’s up to them, and us, to persuade Democrats to have it.

What Ryan does preserves most benefits while offering options to those who want something different. Obama’s plan is a direct cut to the system across the board, something no one with a straight face can claim will not affect benefits in the future. And under the Obamacare plan, you have absolutely no recourse should some unelected bureaucrat cut your funding to needed care.

“A Doctor Goes Where Needed”

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#612 Aug 19, 2012
Hi Lees Ego wrote:
<quoted text>Meaning Obama will let hem use them where Bush never gave them a chance..

Isn't that the way the world is supposed to work? Someone actually does something wrong then they get in trouble? A couple reasons you do it that way is cause a) they may not have them (see Bush Fiasco) and B) just having them isn't justification for war (see U.S. Arsenal).
Hi Lees Ego wrote:
<quoted text>Also Bush did not attack on an "assumption".. The intell came from the last ten years. Including the eight years of Clinton.. From the Nato countries and Saddam himself..
 
Much of the intel came from former Iraqis who hated Hussein and would have done anything to see him overthrown. The U.S. knew this and ignored it due to our desire to attack Iraq. Bush continually mentioned 9-11 and Hussein and bin Laden and Hussein in order to get public support. The evidence they had was quite unconvincing to anyone paying attention.
Hi Lees Ego wrote:
<quoted text> The cease fire agreement let the burden of proof on Saddam, not the coalition.. Saddam failed in that proof by throwing out the inspectors, and thumbing his nose at the UN.

I believe you believe what you are saying but you are a victim of the media propaganda. Saddam did not throw the inspectors out although this was widely reported at the time. I debunked this multiple times while the war drums were being beaten. When the U.S. pulled the inspectors out, it was widely reported that we pulled them out. When Bush wanted to go to war, his mouthpieces started using the phrase and the media started reporting it that way. I had a list of headlines showing the contradictions - New York Times, CBS, NBC, ABC News, everybody.... It was spooky to look at how they all were in on rewriting history. The only member of the Bush staff who told the truth (we pulled the inspectors) was Condoleeza Rice -at least she is the only one I saw.
Hi Lees Ego wrote:
<quoted text>He gambled that the US would not attack..He gambled and lost.. The only assumptions are, that in hindsight he never had them. It was said that he moved them to Syria. We could "assume" he would not have them used them on hios neighbors or his pown people. Except he already had done both in the past. But now Obama says Syria will be held accountable? He screamed outrage when Saddam was finally held accountable for using them. What the difference?

This is just confusing - if he sent them to Syria as suggested, then he no longer had them and we weren't justified in attacking him. If he sent them to Syria - why would he 'kick the inspectors out?If he didn't believe we would attack, why was he actually be destroying some missiles when we did attack? He was told some missiles he had violated the treaty - even though he disagreed - he started destroying them. See? We just threw as many claims against the wall as we could hoping to ensure that some would stick and they did.

As far as using them on his own people - I believe that was during the Iran/Iraq war. Wasn't a problem with us until we needed a reason to attack him.

The propaganda machine was huge. When Bush wanted to go to war - less than 40 percent of Americans were with him, after the propaganda was aired and the administration kept pounding Iraq/WMD's, Iraq/9-11, Iraq/bin Laden, Iraq/Al Queda..... over 70 percent were ready to go. Again - real spooky watching that happen.

“A Doctor Goes Where Needed”

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#613 Aug 19, 2012
THE HAMMER wrote:
Robert wrote;
Oh I'm completely aware of the 'claims' and when they were made - found them to be ludicrous.
Did you research it or just take 60 minutes word for it ?
Try this search this {60 Minutes investigates obama's life story} guess what you will find ? Nothing is what you will find .
Well, I didn't actually fly over there and check myself, what with the war and beheadings and stuff - I suppose they could have been lying to me. If they were, their propaganda was much better done than the Bush Administratiins'. I didn't buy it for a second but then, I'm pretty discerning.
Hi Lees Ego

United States

#614 Aug 19, 2012
Robert L Lorth wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't that the way the world is supposed to work? Someone actually does something wrong then they get in trouble? A couple reasons you do it that way is cause a) they may not have them (see Bush Fiasco) and B) just having them isn't justification for war (see U.S. Arsenal).
<quoted text>
 
Much of the intel came from former Iraqis who hated Hussein and would have done anything to see him overthrown. The U.S. knew this and ignored it due to our desire to attack Iraq. Bush continually mentioned 9-11 and Hussein and bin Laden and Hussein in order to get public support. The evidence they had was quite unconvincing to anyone paying attention.
<quoted text>
I believe you believe what you are saying but you are a victim of the media propaganda. Saddam did not throw the inspectors out although this was widely reported at the time. I debunked this multiple times while the war drums were being beaten. When the U.S. pulled the inspectors out, it was widely reported that we pulled them out. When Bush wanted to go to war, his mouthpieces started using the phrase and the media started reporting it that way. I had a list of headlines showing the contradictions - New York Times, CBS, NBC, ABC News, everybody.... It was spooky to look at how they all were in on rewriting history. The only member of the Bush staff who told the truth (we pulled the inspectors) was Condoleeza Rice -at least she is the only one I saw.
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This is just confusing - if he sent them to Syria as suggested, then he no longer had them and we weren't justified in attacking him. If he sent them to Syria - why would he 'kick the inspectors out?If he didn't believe we would attack, why was he actually be destroying some missiles when we did attack? He was told some missiles he had violated the treaty - even though he disagreed - he started destroying them. See? We just threw as many claims against the wall as we could hoping to ensure that some would stick and they did.
As far as using them on his own people - I believe that was during the Iran/Iraq war. Wasn't a problem with us until we needed a reason to attack him.
The propaganda machine was huge. When Bush wanted to go to war - less than 40 percent of Americans were with him, after the propaganda was aired and the administration kept pounding Iraq/WMD's, Iraq/9-11, Iraq/bin Laden, Iraq/Al Queda..... over 70 percent were ready to go. Again - real spooky watching that happen.
The two key words in that entire rant were "I believe" Which makes it all assumption on your part...

“A Doctor Goes Where Needed”

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#615 Aug 19, 2012
Hi Lees Ego wrote:
<quoted text>The two key words in that entire rant were "I believe" Which makes it all assumption on your part...
A) it wasn't a rant.
B) I believe was stated twice - once in reference to "I believe you believe what you are saying" - was that an incorrect assumption? and next in I believe Saddam used his chemical weapons during the Iran/Iraq War - was that an incorrect assumption.

There are plenty of facts in my 'rant'- your casual dismissal (as if it was all conjecture and assumption) is a little insulting.

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#616 Aug 19, 2012
If Obama is re-elected we will be on the way to hit Barack Bottom.
Hi Lees Ego

United States

#617 Aug 19, 2012
Robert L Lorth wrote:
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A) it wasn't a rant.
B) I believe was stated twice - once in reference to "I believe you believe what you are saying" - was that an incorrect assumption? and next in I believe Saddam used his chemical weapons during the Iran/Iraq War - was that an incorrect assumption.
There are plenty of facts in my 'rant'- your casual dismissal (as if it was all conjecture and assumption) is a little insulting.
Heh heh heh.... Was still the 'key words'...;-)
THE HAMMER

Wichita, KS

#618 Aug 20, 2012
NEWSWEEK COVER:'Obama’s Gotta Go'

In an unguarded moment earlier this year, the president commented that the private sector of the economy was “doing fine.” Certainly, the stock market is well up (by 74 percent) relative to the close on Inauguration Day 2009. But the total number of private-sector jobs is still 4.3 million below the January 2008 peak. Meanwhile, since 2008, a staggering 3.6 million Americans have been added to Social Security’s disability insurance program. This is one of many ways unemployment is being concealed.

In his fiscal year 2010 budget—the first he presented—the president envisaged growth of 3.2 percent in 2010, 4.0 percent in 2011, 4.6 percent in 2012. The actual numbers were 2.4 percent in 2010 and 1.8 percent in 2011; few forecasters now expect it to be much above 2.3 percent this year.

Unemployment was supposed to be 6 percent by now. It has averaged 8.2 percent this year so far. Meanwhile real median annual household income has dropped more than 5 percent since June 2009. Nearly 110 million individuals received a welfare benefit in 2011, mostly Medicaid or food stamps.

Welcome to Obama’s America: nearly half the population is not represented on a taxable return—almost exactly the same proportion that lives in a household where at least one member receives some type of government benefit. We are becoming the 50–50 nation—half of us paying the taxes, the other half receiving the benefits...

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/2012-election/2012/...
Amazon worker

Coffeyville, KS

#619 Aug 24, 2012
Obama's spending is extremely exaggerated by the right wing media if you subtract the unpaid war costs GW Bush left him, the repaid GM & Bank bailouts that's trillions of dollars.

A vote for Romney is a vote for a GW Bush third term with the same policies & war with Iran to boot.

Now that's just crazy thinking going back to the failed policies of the past. Trickle-down, supply-side has not worked since the Reagan years and never will.

NOWAY

OBAMA 2012 All the way

Since: Jul 12

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#620 Aug 24, 2012
Amazon worker wrote:
Obama's spending is extremely exaggerated by the right wing media if you subtract the unpaid war costs GW Bush left him, the repaid GM & Bank bailouts that's trillions of dollars.
A vote for Romney is a vote for a GW Bush third term with the same policies & war with Iran to boot.
Now that's just crazy thinking going back to the failed policies of the past. Trickle-down, supply-side has not worked since the Reagan years and never will.
NOWAY
OBAMA 2012 All the way
Your last line is correct EXCEPT for a few words you left out. It should read, OBAMA 2012 All the way to the bottom.
Beaner

Coffeyville, KS

#621 Aug 24, 2012
Stock market nearing record high, Corporations with record profits paying CEO's more in bonuses than the corporation paid in taxes for the year. Corporations with more cash on hand than ever in history. corporations taking zero interest bailout money to put Americans back to work and instead using it to buy out thier competition and lay thier people off, or using it to buy back the stock so only a few share in the profits. clearly not in line with the intent of stimulus funds.
Household income across America down by 5k average. Workers out of work and unions deminished in power and numbers to the point of not mattering anymore.
Military cuts due to Republican insistence and now you want to blame the President for doing what we demanded he do.
Are you insane? How is that trickle down working for you today
OMG

Coffeyville, KS

#622 Aug 27, 2012
GOP assassins plotted to kill Obama

Four US troops plotted to kill President Obama, going so far as to kill another two people who were aware of the plot in a story for which only scant details have been provided for thus far.

Isaac Aguigui, the Army private and alleged ringleader of a plot to assassinate Barack Obama and "take over" Ft. Stewart in Georgia, apparently served as a page at the 2008 Republican National Convention in Minneapolis, Minn.

Armed with $87,000 worth of weapons, the four US troops that plotted to kill Obama were said to have been planning a large set of terrorist activities, including assassinating the President as well as bombing major targets and overthrowing the federal government.
THE HAMMER

Wichita, KS

#623 Aug 27, 2012
OMG Coffeyville, KS wrote; GOP assassins plotted to kill Obama
Really you to lay off the koolaid no where in this news story obama or GOP is even mentioned.But this what the left does best lie.

Prosecutor: Georgia murder case uncovers anti-government terror plot
By RUSS BYNUM
Associated Press

U.S. Army Sgt. Anthony Peden, left, and Pvt. Isaac Aguigui, 19, are led away in handcuffs after appearing before a magistrate judge at the Long County Sheriffs Office in Ludowici, Ga.
Lewis Levine, File
U.S. Army Sgt. Anthony Peden, left, and Pvt. Isaac Aguigui, 19, are led away in handcuffs after appearing before a magistrate judge at the Long County Sheriffs Office in Ludowici, Ga.
FILE - In this Dec. 12, 2011 file photo, U.S. Army Pfc. Michael Burnett, 26, right, and Pvt. Christopher Salmon, 25 are led away in handcuffs after appearing before a magistrate judge at the Long County Sheriffs Office Monday, in Ludowici, Ga. Prosecutors said Monday, Aug. 27, 2012 that a murder case against four soldiers in Georgia has revealed they formed an anarchist militia within the U.S. military with plans to overthrow the federal government. Prosecutors in rural Long County, near Fort Stewart, said the militia group spent at least $87,000 buying guns and bomb components and was serious enough to kill two people, former soldier Michael Roark and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Tiffany York, by shooting them in the woods last December in order to keep its plans secret.

LUDOWICI, Ga.-- Four Army soldiers based in southeast Georgia killed a former comrade and his girlfriend to protect an anarchist militia group they formed that stockpiled assault weapons and plotted a range of anti-government attacks, prosecutors told a judge Monday.

Prosecutors in rural Long County, near the sprawling Army post Fort Stewart, said the militia group composed of active duty and former U.S. military members spent at least $87,000 buying guns and bomb components and was serious enough to kill two people - former soldier Michael Roark and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Tiffany York - by shooting them in the woods last December in order to keep its plans secret.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/27/3781149/...

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#624 Aug 28, 2012
OMG wrote:
GOP assassins plotted to kill Obama
Four US troops plotted to kill President Obama, going so far as to kill another two people who were aware of the plot in a story for which only scant details have been provided for thus far.
Isaac Aguigui, the Army private and alleged ringleader of a plot to assassinate Barack Obama and "take over" Ft. Stewart in Georgia, apparently served as a page at the 2008 Republican National Convention in Minneapolis, Minn.
Armed with $87,000 worth of weapons, the four US troops that plotted to kill Obama were said to have been planning a large set of terrorist activities, including assassinating the President as well as bombing major targets and overthrowing the federal government.
Your first line is absolutly crazy!!! Be glad you live in the USA and not in a country that you would be executed for your first line.
XXXX

Coffeyville, KS

#625 Aug 28, 2012
Whats with this Chris Matthews news guy, has he slept with Obama or his wife. He has a truly love crush with them. Does Obama have him in his back pocket.
Walter

Coffeyville, KS

#626 Aug 30, 2012
Easy win for Obama. Right now 332-206 in Electoral college.

http://electoral-vote.com/
OMG

Coffeyville, KS

#627 Aug 30, 2012
THE HAMMER wrote:
OMG Coffeyville, KS wrote; GOP assassins plotted to kill Obama
Really you to lay off the koolaid no where in this news story obama or GOP is even mentioned.But this what the left does best lie.
I stand by my comments. I can site 900 articles to support my claim. Here's just two.

http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2012/08/30/soldie...

http://tdn.com/news/state-and-regional/washin...

"He also reportedly served as a page during the 2008 Republican National Convention.

The World also reports he was among 21 Republicans who gathered in Wenatchee in October 2008 for the third and final presidential debate."

SO YOU STOP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID, YOU TEA PARTY GLENN BECK, C*CKS*CKER!

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