Homeless Shelter

“The blessings of liberty”

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#41 Aug 18, 2014
John G wrote:
I for one welcome the shelter in Braidwood. I just wish that people could find a place in their heart to realize that these are people just like you and me. God would be ashamed of you and your negative thoughts about your fellow man. Being homeless doesnt mean your a bad person. Some people fall on hard times and have no family to turn to. Can you honestly look a homeless child in the eyes and tell them they are not wanted? If so, your heart is as black as a witches hat.
John G wrote:
I for one welcome the shelter in Braidwood. I just wish that people could find a place in their heart to realize that these are people just like you and me. God would be ashamed of you and your negative thoughts about your fellow man. Being homeless doesnt mean your a bad person. Some people fall on hard times and have no family to turn to. Can you honestly look a homeless child in the eyes and tell them they are not wanted? If so, your heart is as black as a witches hat.
Oh no you didn't!!!! "God would be ashamed." Really? Did you really say that? What a silly comment. These people are living in the land of opportunity. There are so many ways to succeed and live comfortably. And for those who fail to take advantage of these benefits, or have made bad decisions and ended up losing what they have, we have already built in safety nets called welfare programs. There is already trillions of American tax dollars being used to support these so called impoverished people. There are already plenty of homeless shelters in the area to help these poor lost children. Are you really going to stick with your foolish accusation that we are heartless? This is already the most giving country in the world. Another shelter isn't going to benefit anybody. It makes you feel empowered and important to shame us but in reality you are just a rude, self-righteous liberal. All we are doing is using common sense. If you really believe that these so called poor homeless people don't use illegal drugs you really are naïve. The truth is basic. They are homeless because they can't hold a job. They can't hold a job because they have a substance abuse issue. The fact that there is children involved is sad and complicates it even more. Many if not all of these people need drug rehab, they need to be able to make it to appointments at the county court house and public aid office and at various job services. We don't have the recourses out here to help them with these things. It is EXTREMELY impractical to put a shelter out here. I could look those children in the eye knowing that provision has already been provided for them in a place where they will have more convenient opportunity to get back on there feet. Wake up. Braidwood is struggling enough as it is. Over 40% of our school kids are listed as low income and receive free lunch. Adding this burden won't help anybody.

“The blessings of liberty”

Since: Oct 09

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#43 Aug 18, 2014
That should have read.

So you call us black hearted....
rubNtug

Wilmington, IL

#44 Aug 18, 2014
I think braidwood is a perfect place for a homeless shelter. what a perfect location! easy access to interstate 55, 113 to Kankakee, and even grundy county. the city can provide shuttles for these people to get to all the resources they need! diversity in a community adds tremendously to its culture. i'm so in support of this endeavor that I am writing my state representatives to urge their full backing! way to lead the way braidwood :)

“The blessings of liberty”

Since: Oct 09

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#45 Aug 18, 2014
rubNtug wrote:
I think braidwood is a perfect place for a homeless shelter. what a perfect location! easy access to interstate 55, 113 to Kankakee, and even grundy county. the city can provide shuttles for these people to get to all the resources they need! diversity in a community adds tremendously to its culture. i'm so in support of this endeavor that I am writing my state representatives to urge their full backing! way to lead the way braidwood :)
Lol yeah yeah if you say so.
Or Not

Lemont, IL

#46 Aug 18, 2014
Happy Dad wrote:
The truth is basic. They are homeless because they can't hold a job. They can't hold a job because they have a substance abuse issue.
Some people can't hold a job because, though no fault of their own, they have mental and / or physical disabilities. They may have been born with some disability.

Other people may be homeless because they have lost their jobs through no fault of their own (perhaps corporate downsizing), and can no longer make their rent or mortgage payment. Not everyone has friends or relatives nearby who can take them into their households.
John G

Lake Zurich, IL

#47 Aug 18, 2014
Happy Dad wrote:
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Oh no you didn't!!!! "God would be ashamed." Really? Did you really say that? What a silly comment. These people are living in the land of opportunity. There are so many ways to succeed and live comfortably. And for those who fail to take advantage of these benefits, or have made bad decisions and ended up losing what they have, we have already built in safety nets called welfare programs. There is already trillions of American tax dollars being used to support these so called impoverished people. There are already plenty of homeless shelters in the area to help these poor lost children. Are you really going to stick with your foolish accusation that we are heartless? This is already the most giving country in the world. Another shelter isn't going to benefit anybody. It makes you feel empowered and important to shame us but in reality you are just a rude, self-righteous liberal. All we are doing is using common sense. If you really believe that these so called poor homeless people don't use illegal drugs you really are naïve. The truth is basic. They are homeless because they can't hold a job. They can't hold a job because they have a substance abuse issue. The fact that there is children involved is sad and complicates it even more. Many if not all of these people need drug rehab, they need to be able to make it to appointments at the county court house and public aid office and at various job services. We don't have the recourses out here to help them with these things. It is EXTREMELY impractical to put a shelter out here. I could look those children in the eye knowing that provision has already been provided for them in a place where they will have more convenient opportunity to get back on there feet. Wake up. Braidwood is struggling enough as it is. Over 40% of our school kids are listed as low income and receive free lunch. Adding this burden won't help anybody.
There really is no need to be so hostile. Im certain you have never given any of your time to work at a shelter but if did, you would notice that not all homeless people are at fault for the position they are in, most certainly young children. Yes, there are those that are homeless because of their poor life choices. But to lump them all into one category is just silly. I pray for your soul sir that one day you are not in need of some assistance and denied the help because you are placed into a "category". For whats its worth, if you did need help, no matter what you post here, I would give to you in hope that sometime in your life that you would pay it forward. It truly is rewarding knowing that you are able to look past the creature comforts of your own life style and make someone elses day by offering a genuine smile and a warm meal. Something that most of society takes for granted.

“The blessings of liberty”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#48 Aug 18, 2014
John G wrote:
<quoted text>There really is no need to be so hostile. Im certain you have never given any of your time to work at a shelter but if did, you would notice that not all homeless people are at fault for the position they are in, most certainly young children. Yes, there are those that are homeless because of their poor life choices. But to lump them all into one category is just silly. I pray for your soul sir that one day you are not in need of some assistance and denied the help because you are placed into a "category". For whats its worth, if you did need help, no matter what you post here, I would give to you in hope that sometime in your life that you would pay it forward. It truly is rewarding knowing that you are able to look past the creature comforts of your own life style and make someone elses day by offering a genuine smile and a warm meal. Something that most of society takes for granted.
You come on and speak for God and say he would be ashamed of us. You say that people who don't agree with you have black hearts and insinuate that because of your little charity work you are somehow superior to the rest of us. You try to twist my words to mean something other than I said. And when I give it back to you, you accuse me of being hostile. You started the hostilities, I will respect your opinion and be nice, but I can become as nasty as you. Thank you for your prayers. I never turn those down but I wonder if you're really praying for me or just saying that to make yourself look religious. There's something to be said about a person that "thinks them self to be religious, not bridling his tongue, but deceiving his heart, this man's religion is vain." I think James said that in the new testament. Also it wouldn't hurt you to read what the apostle Paul had to say about Charity in 1corinthians 13:4. It's always good for a Christian like yourself to understand the core principles of Christianity. I'm not pretending to be religious I'm not pretending to be anything but if I was I still would believe that the shelter and the people in it belong further north where there is more opportunity. You are hurting them not helping them. I'm not going to say what my experiences are because I don't want to pin roses on myself, but I have first hand experience in helping homeless and poor people. Obviously not all homeless are as I described however my point is that you will fill your shelter up with this kind of loser and the people who really need help will still be on the street. I've seen it happen.
John G

Lake Zurich, IL

#49 Aug 19, 2014
Sir, you may think what you will and I cannot stop that. However, through the power of prayer, I pray that someday you may find it in yourself to love your fellow man without prejudice.

John 4:20-21 If anyone says,I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.

I know that God will not give up on you or the homeless that you chide. The choices you make on this earth now will have decide how you spend eternity in death.

Proverbs 19:17 Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.
Happy Mom

Joliet, IL

#50 Aug 19, 2014
John G wrote:
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Letting the children go to school is no different than the millions of illegals immigrants that are in this country and living off of a system they never payed into.. Im certain there are probably a few going there right now and no one minds. However, let a group of known homeless children attend school and everyone is up at arms. I just dont understand the logic. I could have some empathy for you if your school district wasnt supported 80% by ComEd tax dollars, but it is.

80% supported by Com Ed?? That boat sailed a while ago. You are calling it "your school district". You have very strong opinions, yet you do not reside in Braidwood? Where do you live? Because our tax dollars do go to supporting the school district and many of our residents struggle financially. It certainly would never be a child's fault their parents do not have a home. All children should have a chance at a good education. You speak a lot about God but are not breaking down how you think this will all be paid for. Our school district. Our tax dollars. More people without income on our streets. Please explain how this will work without some increase in crime, drug trafficking and especially petty theft. That is a reality statistically. Yes, good people fall on hard times but should we really make it easy for the ones that take advantage and WILL cause problems in town? I say we open a larger food bank. Working people are having a hard time putting food on their table's. I am pretty sure God would be happy if the families of our community had a successful food bank and clothes closet instead.
John G

Lake Zurich, IL

#51 Aug 19, 2014
Happy Mom wrote:
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80% supported by Com Ed?? That boat sailed a while ago. You are calling it "your school district". You have very strong opinions, yet you do not reside in Braidwood? Where do you live? Because our tax dollars do go to supporting the school district and many of our residents struggle financially. It certainly would never be a child's fault their parents do not have a home. All children should have a chance at a good education. You speak a lot about God but are not breaking down how you think this will all be paid for. Our school district. Our tax dollars. More people without income on our streets. Please explain how this will work without some increase in crime, drug trafficking and especially petty theft. That is a reality statistically. Yes, good people fall on hard times but should we really make it easy for the ones that take advantage and WILL cause problems in town? I say we open a larger food bank. Working people are having a hard time putting food on their table's. I am pretty sure God would be happy if the families of our community had a successful food bank and clothes closet instead.
Mam, I do live in Braidwood and have my entire life, have no plans on moving and would support a shelter anywhere that would give homeless families a chance to rebound and provide themselves and children a home of their own. I am dismayed with your inability to offer help to your fellow man when it may inconvenience you somewhat. You talk about how hard it is for families with a roof over their head to put food on the table but take no consideration on the families that have NO food NOR roof over their head. Your support for homeless families is half hearted.

John 3:17 But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
Happy Mom

Joliet, IL

#52 Aug 19, 2014
John G wrote:
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Mam, I do live in Braidwood and have my entire life, have no plans on moving and would support a shelter anywhere that would give homeless families a chance to rebound and provide themselves and children a home of their own. I am dismayed with your inability to offer help to your fellow man when it may inconvenience you somewhat. You talk about how hard it is for families with a roof over their head to put food on the table but take no consideration on the families that have NO food NOR roof over their head. Your support for homeless families is half hearted.
John 3:17 But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
Ok. I will play. My realistic comments are not a reflection of any apathy or lack of spirituality on my part. Your sentence was worded a little bit confusing. You live in Braidwood and are obviously passionate about this subject. Half hearted is your perception of my comments because that is what they are. You are now putting words in my mouth that I did not say. There is no inability on my part to help people. You don't know me and are making assumptions because I express concern for the possible problems this shelter could present. Under strict conditions it could be successful. You have presented a one sided argument, not taking facts into consideration. There are few shelters that allow their guests to stay in the shelter during the day. They have hours. Guests must leave in the morning and come back at a designated time. Under ideal conditions if all of the guests are employed and have a car, they have somewhere to go during the day. If not, they are on the street. You keep quoting the bible and have a very strong opinion but you are not stating this shelter is going to be different. If you were to say the shelter would be self sufficient and employ the guests through a resale shop or some sort of business and or guide them to help them become independent it would be fantastic. Many people in the Joliet shelters have jobs, cars and families yet can't afford to provide homes for their family. A great deal of the people have mental illness and wander the streets during the day. The Treasure Chest resale shop in Joliet operates with many people staying in the shelter. The shop puts them to work and gives them a place to stay and meals. I attend church and do volunteer work. But you made assumptions and criticized me for pointing out the potential problems. Not very Christian behavior. You can quote the bible all day long but your words towards others have not been compassionate at all. I consider that half hearted which is exactly what you called me. This forum is debate and opinion, not clear cut right and wrong. I personally feel your constant religious comments are tiresome. I certainly don't need to continually quote the scriptures to make a point. It's over the top and not genuine when it's repetitive. Come back when you have actual details to back up your comments .

“The blessings of liberty”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#53 Aug 19, 2014
John G wrote:
Sir, you may think what you will and I cannot stop that. However, through the power of prayer, I pray that someday you may find it in yourself to love your fellow man without prejudice.
John 4:20-21 If anyone says,I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.
I know that God will not give up on you or the homeless that you chide. The choices you make on this earth now will have decide how you spend eternity in death.
Proverbs 19:17 Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.
Silly me. I thought you was trying to belittle me and shame me into your way of thinking. You are correct sir I can and do think what I want and I think you're nuts. You are so irrational it's probably futile to even continue.... But I enjoy this sort of silly debate so much I can't resist. First of all I can tell that the reason for my use of scripture totally escapes you. It was tongue in cheek not that I expect you to understand that either. Secondly you have accused me of making God ashamed, having a black heart, hating my brother, being a liar, and not being generous to the poor. I have been courteous enough to read and acknowledge all of these accusations. I explained that you are misled in your facts. Provisions have already been made for these people. It's not the homeless I chide it's you. The proud, pompous, self righteous, bleeding heart liberal. As I've already said I have no problem with you praying for me however it has become obvious that you are lying when you say that. It's just a silly hypercritical way to look pious and charitable. It's unfortunate but you came too late to be the most charitable person in Braidwood. There won't be a parade for you and you won't be asked to make a speech. Don't even try to deny it. You would love it if that happens. I can imagine that your next post is going to say something like "I seek no reward here on earth" or some bs. But we all know the truth. Your just a modern day Pharisee giving your alms where everybody can see. You pray standing in the street where all can hear.......... Pulease I think I might puke.
This is why and the only reason why you want a shelter here in Braidwood so that the good people of this community can see how good of a person you are. You make me sick.

Sorry if you think I'm being hostile but I don't like having my words twisted to sound like I hate somebody. You my friend a a special kind of mean.
Happy Mom

Ashburn, VA

#54 Aug 20, 2014
There is nothing worse than a hypocritical bible thumper. How does being so demeaning and judgemental make you a good Christian, Sir? Do you think addressing us as Mam and Sir makes you polite? What a nut job! LOL!
John G

Arlington Heights, IL

#55 Aug 21, 2014
Happy Mom wrote:
There is nothing worse than a hypocritical bible thumper. How does being so demeaning and judgemental make you a good Christian, Sir? Do you think addressing us as Mam and Sir makes you polite? What a nut job! LOL!
Say what you will. I will and do pray for God to help you see the error of your ways.

You appear to be very bothered by the fact that you are called out for what your horrible thoughts are about Gods children. But know this, God will and does frustrate the ways of the wicked.

I know that when I lay my head down at night that I have a very clear conscious and that makes for a very soft pillow.

“The blessings of liberty”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#56 Aug 21, 2014
John G wrote:
<quoted text>Say what you will. I will and do pray for God to help you see the error of your ways.

You appear to be very bothered by the fact that you are called out for what your horrible thoughts are about Gods children. But know this, God will and does frustrate the ways of the wicked.

I know that when I lay my head down at night that I have a very clear conscious and that makes for a very soft pillow.
Lol good luck with that Soapbox.
Happy Mom

Joliet, IL

#57 Aug 22, 2014
John G wrote:
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Say what you will. I will and do pray for God to help you see the error of your ways.
You appear to be very bothered by the fact that you are called out for what your horrible thoughts are about Gods children. But know this, God will and does frustrate the ways of the wicked.
I know that when I lay my head down at night that I have a very clear conscious and that makes for a very soft pillow.
Now that is just downright hilarious! You have just proved yourself NOT to be one of God's disciples. The ways of the wicked is exactly what you are portraying! This has been fun and you crack me up but you are clearly not right in the head. Good luck at the pearly gates Mr. Religious! Quoting the bible means nothing if you are not willing to accept that we all have our opinions. Just because they are not the same as yours does not make me wicked. If and when they open a shelter I will be there to volunteer. Will you?

“The blessings of liberty”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#58 Aug 22, 2014
Happy Mom wrote:
<quoted text>Now that is just downright hilarious! You have just proved yourself NOT to be one of God's disciples. The ways of the wicked is exactly what you are portraying! This has been fun and you crack me up but you are clearly not right in the head. Good luck at the pearly gates Mr. Religious! Quoting the bible means nothing if you are not willing to accept that we all have our opinions. Just because they are not the same as yours does not make me wicked. If and when they open a shelter I will be there to volunteer. Will you?
IKR? Its just another troll. "Soapbox101" compare John G's last few posts with Soapbox's post on the Link card abuse thread on Gardner or Dwight.
John G

Arlington Heights, IL

#59 Aug 22, 2014
MY GOD!!!! I have never trolled some one so hard in my life as you two!!! Seriously, at one point I thought I was going to have to set the drag on my line because you two idiots bit so friggin hard!!!! TROLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!

“The blessings of liberty”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#60 Aug 22, 2014
John G wrote:
MY GOD!!!! I have never trolled some one so hard in my life as you two!!! Seriously, at one point I thought I was going to have to set the drag on my line because you two idiots bit so friggin hard!!!! TROLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!
Well actually we both enjoy the debate. So yeah we was really fooled into doing what we enjoy doing. As if.
ScrotyMcwrinkleb alls

Wilmington, IL

#61 Aug 23, 2014
I want to take a nice deuce on happy dad's chest after 50cent taco Tuesday and plenty of Budweiser drafts!!!

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