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Since: Nov 11

United States

#22 Apr 1, 2012
working class wrote:
<quoted text>who your taxes are going to go up no matter If your making 10.00 hr or 50.00 hr would rather see it go to working men and women than to line the pockets of the rich or politicians!!!! You must be retired or a business owner is all I can figure or was never had the opportunity to be a union member and earn a decent wage!
.....CAN I GET AN AMEN!!!!
WHO

Morris, IL

#23 Apr 1, 2012
Maybe when they get rid of the police department and Grundy takes over they can use that extra money to cover it. We are over taxed as it is property values down but your taxes are not dropping. Think the City as a whole heeds to look into ways to trim the budget it's going to get better any time soon everyone has to cut back when things are tough but government wants more.

If the bus drivers get this are they guaranteed there job or are some of the out of work Teamsters that are sitting on the books with more time going to be fed into the bus service.

Since: Nov 11

United States

#24 Apr 1, 2012
WHO wrote:
Maybe when they get rid of the police department and Grundy takes over they can use that extra money to cover it. We are over taxed as it is property values down but your taxes are not dropping. Think the City as a whole heeds to look into ways to trim the budget it's going to get better any time soon everyone has to cut back when things are tough but government wants more.

If the bus drivers get this are they guaranteed there job or are some of the out of work Teamsters that are sitting on the books with more time going to be fed into the bus service.
179 has books but the majority of teamsters find there job them selves. And looks like its settled we will allow the bus drivers to go union...
ignorance

United States

#25 Apr 17, 2012
First of all, I can not believe the stupidity of some of these comments. As far as I know just because a company only allows its workers under 40 a week DOES NOT disqualify them from becoming A union. If you are UNHAPPY with your own UNION than maybe you need to get off your ASS and do something to change it. Unions are only as strong as the PEOPLE forming it. Not to mention these are certified CDL drivers, not just some uneducated person. Do your research people. The money to pay their drivers isn't stipulated by the school district. They could probably careless who gets paid what as long as it falls in there BUDGET. See what might happen is it might take that extra money thats lining the pockets out of Corporate's hands within their company. Let me ask you this?
Most of us pay our GARBAGE workers more to take our waste away....I'd rather my money go to people have the safety of my children in their hands day in and out!!!
WHO

Manhattan, IL

#27 Apr 17, 2012
So your telling us that the same people that are driving these busses now are somehow better because they join the union and pay over $200 a quarter in dues. Stupidity is believing that whatever these drivers are paid or in the union or not is going to make them drive any better. How much education do you need to get a CDL I know drop outs that have them.

Since: Nov 11

Noblesville, IN

#29 Apr 19, 2012
The fact that they are union doesn't make them better....... Being union attracts better people to the job. The better the job pays and it benefits the better quality people apply for the job and your hiring pool is fill with better people. What do you think is going to attract a better employe a job that pays $10 an hour with no benefits or one that pays 17-25 with benefits?
WHO

Manhattan, IL

#30 Apr 20, 2012
They already have there drivers so whats the point. Oh I get it the current drivers vote to go union then get weeded out so higher seniority can come in and replace them at more pay so the union can put there drivers back to work and make them happy and send any current drivers down the road that don't fit with there clique. Also how many years do the current drivers have to work for the union till there vested. And do they know that if they don't get to that point that all the money the union gets for them the union keeps if they don't make it to whenever that is, thats a good chunk of change for the union if the driver changes carriers.

Since: Nov 11

Noblesville, IN

#31 Apr 20, 2012
You really don't know how the teamsters work do you....
WHO

Manhattan, IL

#32 Apr 20, 2012
Please fill me in the suspense is killing me .
UnionThug

United States

#33 Apr 20, 2012
Completely wrong!

Seniority is at the work location, no-where else in this type of union. Union or company cannot replace an employee of said company with another employee "employed or not" from a different company or same union even if the current employee is terminated from the said company for wrong doing. The Employer hires the workers, the union just represents them.

Union dues are usually 0.5% of the employees paycheck. So at $10/hour their dues will be under $20/month and thats only correct (if) they actually get to work 40 hours per week, otherwise the dues would be less.

"Vested"? There is no vestment in a Union, your either Union or your not. Vested is a term used when your vested into your pension or 401k match "if any", that is given or bargained for with the Employer.

These bus drivers were obviously treated bad if they collectively joined a union. Workers aren't forced to join a union, the elect to. There are laws in place to make sure this process happens legally with NLRB oversight.

This is how it works,

1st. The workers petition to organize on their own time with a 50%+1 vote and asks the employer to recognize the union and the employer declines 100% of the time.

2nd. The workers and the Union file with the Government"NLRB" to have a worker vote and then 6 weeks pass until the worker vote happens and the NLRB is present at the vote. Unless mutually agreed to postpone by the workers and employer.

3rd. The workers either vote for or against the union. If they vote for, they are union but do not pay dues until an acceptable contract can be reached. The acceptable contract isn't ratified until the workers approve of it in a separate vote.
WHO

Manhattan, IL

#34 Apr 21, 2012
When I said "vested" I was talking about there retirement , how many years before they are guaranteed they are going to receive a retirement check from being in the union ?

So whats there pay actually going to be surely not $10.00 an hour so your figure would be a little low as there wage will most likely be higher than that.
I have aqutiances that are and the teamsters and all pay over $200 a quarter.

There are ways around the hiring and firing of the workers that don't fit in seen it happen it all looks good on paper but if somebody pushes for something and they know the right people they usually get it.
EQUALITY

Joliet, IL

#35 Apr 21, 2012
Exactly right, Employee's wouldn't campaign for a UNION if they were being treated well...That is the bottom line! It is way more than MONEY these drivers are fighting for, thats obvious. Sounds like safety, equal rights and seniority are a major issue too.

Since: Nov 11

Chicago, IL

#36 Apr 21, 2012
If an employe finds something wrong with there bus that is not up to safety code and they tell there boss they don't feel they can safely transport YOUR children in it. What can they do if there boss says hey this is a business we have to run that thing or we don't get paid. You drive that bus or I'll fire you and find someone who will...... If they are protected by there union they don't have to worry about that. This happens alot more than you think.
UnionThug

United States

#37 Apr 22, 2012
WHO wrote:
When I said "vested" I was talking about there retirement , how many years before they are guaranteed they are going to receive a retirement check from being in the union ?
So whats there pay actually going to be surely not $10.00 an hour so your figure would be a little low as there wage will most likely be higher than that.
I have aqutiances that are and the teamsters and all pay over $200 a quarter.
There are ways around the hiring and firing of the workers that don't fit in seen it happen it all looks good on paper but if somebody pushes for something and they know the right people they usually get it.
I used the $10/hr as it was mentioned previously because its easy math to prove the point. I know a few Teamsters too and I don't know what their dues are per/quarter but I know that they can't get demoted/fired w/o representation of the facts of the discipline. Do they give this dues money back to the employer in wage/benefits/conditions cuts or do they give it to their union for fair representation? Even if there are cuts, the workers are made aware beforehand with union representation instead of just being handed a pink slip.

Retirement checks from a Union hall usually pertain to a group of workers like Electricians/Plumbers/Steelwor kers/Ironworkers, ect... as they hire out of the Union hall, these workers may work for 20 different employers as the work comes their way. So the worker and the hiring company both contribute to the workers pension fund based on the hours worked as set up in their collective bargaining agreement.

These workers will not be hiring out of the hall per labor laws and they way they organized.

The above also will likely not be true for the newly organized transit/bus workers because its their 1st contract negotiation and they likely decided to join a Union because of "working conditions" rather than "pay", maybe both?. Being Union doesn't guarantee you a retirement/pension, in most cases thats up to the worker and his 401k.

Most companies that deal with unions that don't hire as needed/"hiring hall", rely on a GATT rate structure with cost of living concerning their pensions. Most companies and unions using this formula have been bargaining this for more than 40 years and these companies usually make billions per year. In this case it is likely, NOT the case.
Union Supporter

Clinton, IL

#38 Apr 27, 2012
Good Luck today, Coal City.
rich

Joliet, IL

#39 Apr 27, 2012
It is done they won
Name

Joliet, IL

#40 Apr 27, 2012
Reed Custer Bus Drivers are union and they are paid pretty good for the amount of hours they drive. If they drive for a sporting event, they're being paid over $12 and hour. They get paid from the time the bus pulls out of the garage to the time they park it at the end of the night. They're getting paid pretty good to sit and watch an event or read a good book while waiting. I wouldn't complain about a union representing bus drivers. They deserve it. It is a lot of responsibility transporting your child to and from school or sporting events and bringing them back safe. Some people can't handle two kids in the back seat bickering. Try driving a bus with 72 kids sitting behind you yelling and screaming after being locked up in a classroom all day. Its a bit nerve racking. Good job bus drivers!
Toby

Carol Stream, IL

#41 Apr 29, 2012
This site is the devil: mama said so! You poor poor sheeple. If you have a pension, thank a union. If you have health benefits of any kind, thank a union, if you get paid more than minimum wage, yes thank a union. Work 40 hours, make overtime when you exceed it, have safety on your job, workers compensation, thank a union. If you get sick days or vacation days, you guessed it, thank a union. OSHA, workers rights, Again!!! Yes on and on and on... Don't believe me? Look it up. But wait, my non union job gives me all of that! Yes, because they have to be competitive! Which employer would you choose, the one with no benefits and a death toll of 7 a year... making .40 cents an hour... Or the same job with an employer offering everything I mentioned above? Well mr. Toby nobody would offer that.... Ever looked into overseas manufacturing or construction? Wellllll there are U.S. businesses doing it, buying it, and loving it. Your big savings are resting on the heads of sweatshops, unskilled labor, and unsafe working conditions. There are few laws concerning workers rights in these countries... And thus corporations and business do not enforce them. Do you know how? No Unions!! Sure sure there are exceptions to every rule, but I'm talking majority. Did you know that Caterpillar built a very impressive miniaturization process right in Joliet years ago? No? That's because just afterward they shipped it to Mexico, cheaper, less rules and less jobs here. Well Mr. Toby.. That's because unions have driven up wages and prices? Oh you poor poor sheeple.... Guess who is not Union... Your CEOs, corporate heads, government officials, and Capital Hill representatives!! Retiring on $200,000 dollars of your tax money.. Making record profits while you pay record sales. Thats just a middle of the road number now... Don't want anyone blaming my facts... You think you got that raise or those benefits because your company didn't really want the money? "well gentlemen, we have made a huge profit this quarter.. Paid holiday for everyone!" (buzzzzzzer) sorry folks. Didn't happen.. Like I said, there are some great companies out there, both union and non union. But both are better companies because of decades of Union presence in this country! If your unhappy with your piece of sh!t policemen, firemen, construction workers, bus drivers, garbage men, manufacturers, actors, neighbors, friends, family..... Yes Union workers. I highly suggest you move to Thailand! It's beautiful, they don't deal with all the hassle of rights, or fair pay, or boohoo death benefits.. It's just good old fashioned hard working fun! If not... Stop fighting with your neighbors and fellow citizens, stand up to your officials, that were not put there to make decisions for you, but to represent YOUR decisions. Your voice is not being heard, and that is a crime! We should not be angry about how much we pay in taxes.. We should be furious at what they do with our taxes, what we are actually getting for our money! Empty houses, empty lots, and the worst employees ever! Our own employees that we have hired to improve our community, and who are treating us like we are in their employ instead! They work for you.
fed up

Joliet, IL

#42 May 3, 2012
WHO wrote:
Because some one has to pay for it and WHO do you think that is ...Tax Increase sound familiar .
You are clueless~~How about maybe the money will stop lining the pockets of management, maybe if this company took care and appreciated its employees and played fair...Their employees wouldn't have to seek out Union representation, huh? Look into how much money the school already pays this company versus their overhead....I mean it's not like the busses these people are driving are top notch. Not to mention this company has a multi million dollar investment backer who owns the majority of the company now.
Proud member

Nashville, TN

#43 Dec 28, 2012
WHO wrote:
Because some one has to pay for it and WHO do you think that is ...Tax Increase sound familiar .
Did your taxes go down when the company took a $1.25 an hour away from the drivers? No because your taxes have nothing to do with their wages. Illinois Central has a contract with the school district, why shouldn't the drivers have a contract with the company?

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