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Debate on bill to ban smoking lights up Pa. House

There are 28 comments on the The Herald story from Jul 13, 2007, titled Debate on bill to ban smoking lights up Pa. House. In it, The Herald reports that:

“This is, I believe, a profound moral issue. It's one of the few votes that we're going to cast that actually has life-and-death consequences.”

The state House, considering a statewide smoking ban Friday for the second time in eight days, defeated a key amendment that would have inserted additional exceptions into a Senate-passed bill. via The Herald

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WeScott

Omak, WA

#21 Jul 15, 2007
Sheri wrote:
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Thanks. That is a wonderful compliment. I am working on a good letter, but I am having trouble getting it right. At the moment, I am just too angry, and that is not the right tone for such a letter. I am also collecting some mighty fine quotes to use as evidence as I attempt to build just the right letter. I did write to Senator Clinton, and that was a tough one. I am a life-long Democrat, but I did promise that no one supporting these bans would get my vote. We really need an organization in addition to these bitch sessions. If there is one thing I can criticize smokers for, it is their laziness to stand up for themselves. I know many who did not even bother to vote, and that is shameful.
Sheri you do realize that it was in 1994 that the Clinton's helped iniate this ball with the Clean Door Act of 1994.

You also know that when RWJF went after the Lay's Corporation that to get them off their backs they got in bed with them and the Clinton's were right in the mix.
Hillary-care moles - Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and health care reform
National Review, May 19, 1997 by Robert V. Pambianco
Republicans killed HillaryCare, so why are they cozying up to one of its chief promoters?

Mr. Pambianco is a research associate at the Capital Research Center and editor of a newsletter that monitors advocacy groups.

On June 21, 1994, NBC aired a two-hour prime-time special on health-care reform. Hillary Clinton was the special guest for the first half-hour of the program, which portrayed the Clinton plan as a reasonable compromise. So blithely did it pass over any potential problems with the proposed regulatory regime that the Media Research Center, a watchdog group in Alexandria, Va., bestowed upon the special its "Janet Cooke Award" for the "most outrageously distorted news story of the month." Who paid the $2.5 million for the block of time to air this thinly veiled advertising for the Clinton plan (plus another million to promote the special)? The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, based in Princeton, N. J.
APRODUCT of the Johnson & Johnson empire, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, with $5 billion in assets, is among the nation's ten largest philanthropies, and it is the largest philanthropy devoted solely to health issues. From the beginning of the Clinton Administration, the powerful RWJF has been closely interlocked with the Administration's efforts on health-care reform. The foundation president, Steven Schroeder, was a leader of the Clintons' health-policy transition team. Bruce Vladeck, administrator of the Health Care Financing Administration, is a former RWJF official. Former Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services Judith Feder served for more than 15 years as an RWJF program director, consultant, and grantee. Dr. Henry Foster, President Clinton's ill-fated nominee for surgeon general, is a former senior advisor to the RWJF.

When it came time to formulate the Clinton plan, the ties became even closer.

In a lawsuit filed against Hillary Clinton and her infamous health-care task force, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons and other groups claimed that the RWJF developed the format for the task force. The task for- ce's numerous "working groups" were modeled on plans developed by the founda- tion at the state level. RWJF "fellows" and others closely connected with the foundation served on the task force headed by health-care czar Ira Magaziner. Working-group members whom the White House attempted to portray as con- gressional staffers (to avoid problems with federal laws that proscribe closed-door meetings involving private groups) were in fact RWJF fellows assigned to the staffs of Democratic Sens. Rockefeller, Bumpers, Bradley, Ken- nedy, and Wofford
WeScott

Omak, WA

#22 Jul 15, 2007
Sheri, I did not point this out because of you being a Democrat. But after alot of research how this all got it's foothold was because of the Clinton's.

Anyone who is passionate about this subject needs to really know the driving force.

I admire your motivation and believe it or not there are many of us out there with you. We are not Lazy and we are going at different angles.

Just thought you should know how embedded Hillary Clinton is in this whole mess.

Since: Jul 07

Pittsburgh

#24 Jul 17, 2007
The PA House of Representatives passed a revised bill back to the Senate for a vote. We can only keep our fingers crossed this time that this smoking ban passes.
Brothers

Sparta, NJ

#25 Jul 17, 2007
The backlash has started All over the world..

READ STORY..

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx...

Kawika Crowley, co-founder of Hawaii Smokers Alliance, who helped plan the first annual “Defiance” event with just three days notice to support the “Brits,” says this is literally one of hundreds of “battlefronts” all across the world where thousands of people are protesting.

After receiving calls from England, Denmark and the Big Island, Crowley says:“This thing took off like a bat out of hell.” Protests, where thousands of people attended, were held around the world, he says.

“Just Say No to Smoking Bans”

Since: Jul 07

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#26 Jul 20, 2007
WeScott wrote:
Sheri, I did not point this out because of you being a Democrat. But after alot of research how this all got it's foothold was because of the Clinton's.
Anyone who is passionate about this subject needs to really know the driving force.
I admire your motivation and believe it or not there are many of us out there with you. We are not Lazy and we are going at different angles.
Just thought you should know how embedded Hillary Clinton is in this whole mess.
Yes, I did come to realize this about Hillary. I have to tell you that I am as passionate about the Democratic Party as I am about this. However, my letter to the campaign said what I am telling you now. I could never vote for anyone who sponsored such legislation. It makes me a bit ill to even say that, for I could never in a million years vote Republican, but neither could I vote for this kind of health watchdog. I need to figure out this one.
Michael Zehner

Keauhou, HI

#27 Oct 6, 2007
The real effects of a smoking ban on Hawaii bars. These numbers are not from the tobacco industry as the anti-smoking lobby always lies and says they are. They are from signed statements from over 1/3 of ALL bars in the state of Hawaii. Since November at least six bars are now closed as a result and many more would be if it wasn't for dozens of the hardest hit ones letting people cheat.
Kailua Area:
Porky's Down 50% Kathy Wants Ban Removed
Kailua Palace Down 50% Roy Wants Ban Removed
Ohana Lounge Down 90% Cory Wants Ban Removed
Creekside No Change Shawne Wants Ban Removed
Tropics Down Debbie Wants Ban Removed
Tiares Down 30-40% Sophia Wants Ban Removed
Whitneys Down 45% Chae Wants Ban Removed
Kaneohe Area:
Ohana Lounge Down 70% Cory Wants Ban Removed
Komo Mai's Down 50% Ann Wants Ban Removed
Flamingo's Down 20% Angela Wants Ban Removed
Whittney Down 40% Mike Wants Ban Removed
Rock Rose Tavern Down 20% Niko Wants Ban Removed
Central Area:
Rosa's Ice Tee Down 50% Ice Wants Ban Removed - Out of Business as of summer 2007
Panama Hattie Down 30% Larry Wants Ban Removed
Top Hat Down 25% John Wants Ban Removed
Club Bunny girls Down 50% Young Wants Ban Removed
Club Marie Down 50% Marie Wants Ban Removed
Baijo's Down 35% Me Chan Wants Ban Removed
Old Kemoo Pub Down 15% Jake Wants Ban Removed
Hui Ohana's Down 50% Clay Wants Ban Removed - out of business as of summer 2007
Mel Rose Down 20% Rosie Wants Ban Removed
Leeward Bowl Down 25% Richard Wants Ban Removed
Sunflower Down 10% Yong Likes the Ban
Club Chance Down 50% Per Owner Wants Ban Removed
Club Festival Down 50% Soo Yoong Wants Ban Removed
Diamond Castle Down 50% Per Owner Wants Ban Removed
Red Carnation Down 30% Per Owner Wants Ban Removed
Club Join Us Down 40% Candi Wants Ban Removed
Club Electro No Change Per Owner Doesn't Care
Ting's Down 50 % Ting Wants Ban Removed
Ladda's Down 30% Ladda Wants Ban Removed
Star Lounge Down 50% Per Owner Wants Ban Removed
Star Karaoke Down 15% Kay Wants Ban Removed
Chez Monique Down 20% Merv Wants Ban Removed
Mindulay Lounge Down 75% Per Owner Wants Ban Removed
Club Olivia's Down 50% Yong/ Pak Wants Ban Removed
Last Stop Down 40% Helen Likes the Ban
Oasis Lounge Down 30% Kathy Wants Ban Removed
Club House Down 50% Su Gen Wants Ban Removed
Ariaki Down 50% Yong Wants Ban Removed
Club Minami Down 40% Sue Wants Ban Removed
Waterfall Down 50% Pak Wants Ban Removed
Princess Palace Down 30% Janet Wants Ban Removed
Cheerleaders No Change Likes the Ban
Cheerleaders Too Down 25% Moe Wants Ban Removed
Kalihi Area:
Club Sahara Down 50% Per Owner Wants Ban Removed - out of business as of winter 2007
Lagoon 500 Down 25% Sonya Wants Ban Removed
Club C&R Down 50% Per Owner Wants Ban Removed
Caf? Bronco Down 10% Akiko Wants Ban Removed
Imperial Lounge Down 50% Linda Wants Ban Removed
Club Suzie Q's Down 50% Suzie Wants Ban Removed
Club Green Tee Down 50% Hana Wants Ban Removed
Mimi's Place Down 35% Per Owner Wants Ban Removed
Michael Zehner

Keauhou, HI

#28 Oct 6, 2007
Club Colorful Down 50% Mina Wants Ban Removed
Club Sunrise Down 50% Sun Hee Wants Ban Removed
Club 77 Down 50% Mona Wants Ban Removed
Club New Pattaya Down 15% Per Owner Likes the Ban
Lao Star Down 20% Vahn Wants Ban Removed
Club Wilson Down 60% Linda Wants Ban Removed
Club J's Down 50% Jay Wants Ban Removed
Club Soo Mi Down 30% Soo Mi Wants Ban Removed
Club Pieces Down 40% Diane Wants Ban Removed
Linda's Karaoke Down 20% Linda Wants Ban Removed
Club All In Down 40-50% Uni Wants Ban Removed
Club Jihae Down 40% Jihae Wants Ban Removed
Club Monabi Down 40% Mona Wants Ban Removed
Shinsotei No Change Helen Likes the Ban
Yuraku Cho Down 20% Harry Wants Ban Removed
Paul & Terry's Down 25% Paul Wants Ban Removed
Club Vegas II No Change Kang Doesn't Care
London Hub Down 25% Miya Wants Ban Removed
Oneway Lounge No Change Amy Wants Ban Removed
1st Time Down 25% Ellison Wants Ban Removed
C.K. Lounge No Change Kay Likes the Ban
Club Tahoe No Change Jay Wants Ban Removed
Club New Bangkok Down 50% At Wants Ban Removed
E Lounge No Change Chris Likes the Ban
Black Stallion No Change Sandy Likes the Ban
Cheers Station Down 15% Kim Likes the Ban
Leslie's Place Down 10% Jo Ann Doesn't Care
Akoni's Down 15% Jaime Wants Ban Removed
Queen Bee's Down 10% Joe Wants Ban Removed
Club Sundance Down 25% Kim Sa Wants ban Removed
Town Area:
Club Hibiscus Down 30% Bobby Wants Ban Removed
Ward Room Down 25% Miki Wants Ban Removed
Cafe Duck Butt Down 30-40% Jenny Wants Ban Removed
Just One Down 35% Andy Wants Ban Removed
Club 7 Kings Down 50% Pat Wants Ban Removed
Twenty Ten Down 50% Stacey Wants Ban Removed
King St Cafe Down 10% Per Manager Doesn't Care
Pig Skins Down 40% Lance Wants Ban Removed
Club Asia Down 10% Per Manager Doesn't Care
New Casino Down 25% Per Manager Likes the Ban
Club Business No Change Per Manager Wants Ban Removed
New D'Amore Down 20% Per Owner Wants Ban Removed
Club Allure No Change Per Bartender Doesn't Care
Crystal Palace Down 25% Joe Wants Ban Removed
Tsunami Down 10% Cory Wants Ban Removed
T-Time Down 20% Per Owner Wants Ban Removed
Club Aria Down 30% Per Owner Wants Ban Removed
Maya's Down 25% Bartender Wants Ban Removed
Camelot Down 20% Per Owner Wants Ban Removed
Club President Down 20% Per Owner Wants Ban Removed
Club Secret Down 50% Per Owner Wants Ban Removed
Club Romantei Down 45% Danny Wants Ban Removed
Anna Banana's Down 20% Tim Wants Ban Removed
Sand Island Bar Down 30% Tonie Wants Ban Removed
J's Sports Bar No Change Likes the Ban
Club Genji Down 15% Wants Ban Removed
Aku Bones Down 10% Kim Wants Ban Removed
Amy's Place Down 25% Amy Wants Ban Removed
Ke Kais Down 20% Pat Wants Ban Removed
New Hanahou Down 55% Youn Wants Ban Removed
Gold Gate Lounge Down 25% Michelle Wants Ban Removed
9th Ave Rock House No Change Terrance Doesn't Care
Aloha Lounge Down 10% Ann Likes the Ban
Anyplace Down 10% Judy Wants Ban Removed
Aquarius Lounge Down 15%+ Candi& Guy Wants Ban Removed - out of business as of winter 2007
Bar 35 No Change Andy Wants Ban Removed
The Row Bar No Change Andy Wants Ban Removed
Blue Sea Lounge Down 10% Lee Wants Ban Removed
Cache Down 25% Yvette Wants Ban Removed
Club Velvet Down 50 % Valerie Wants Ban Removed
Can's Bar & Grill No Change Candice Doesn't Care
Jazz Mind's Down 20% Danny Wants Ban Removed
Cheer's Karaoke Down 10% JohnsonWants Ban Removed
Waikiki Area:
Club Ai No Change Doesn't Care
Cabana's Down 10% Sandra Wants Ban Removed
Nashvilles Down 10% Sandra Wants Ban Removed
The Hide Away Down 10%+ Jon Wants Ban Removed
Jackie Chan's - out of business
The average loss of business is over 32% for the 85% of bars that lost
business. And we don't even have a cold winter.
attempted to cover this up but we got it out anyways.
Oh, and as for "saving lives and preventing heart attacks and so on." The Hawaii death rate is UP 2% since the ban. People still smoke, they just do it somewhere else.
Local Dude 808

Keauhou, HI

#29 Nov 21, 2007
Offical numbers in Hawaii are out. Late night places are the worst hit. 30% down. 20 bars closed, which is three times the average, with some still allowing smoking.

The antis lied, it did screw over the bars.

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