Bingaman: Fed subsidy will keep local...

Bingaman: Fed subsidy will keep local airline flying

There are 74 comments on the Carlsbad Current-Argus story from Apr 23, 2011, titled Bingaman: Fed subsidy will keep local airline flying. In it, Carlsbad Current-Argus reports that:

Thanks to a federal government program, Carlsbad will continue to receive regular air service to Albuquerque, it was announced Friday from Washington, D.C. The word came from U.S. Senator Jeff Bingaman, in a news release from his office.

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#61 May 1, 2011
The real way to do this is to raise corporate tax rates, and use THAT money to fund things like airports.

For some reason though, this sort of suggestion doesn't tend to go over well around here.
CornDogz

Sheffield, AL

#62 May 1, 2011
Why should increased corporate taxes be the funding source for this endeavor? What do they get from it, or are you seeing them merely as a revenue pool?

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#63 May 1, 2011
It's the only way to make them help more to pay for things that they benefit so much from.

Basically, the debate here is narrowing in that way...you want more businesses in town, you don't want the tax base to pay for airports, nobody is going to make the corporations move here if they don't want to, or the CEO's, as long as they have better options elsewhere.

With the job market as bad as it is, there is going to be a lot of courting of corporate entities going on.

If you aren't happy about the tax base paying for airports, because you feel like it's your pocket being picked, shouldn't the people who are primarily benefiting be expected to contribute more? CEO profits just keep going up and up while the rest of us suffer.
CornDogz wrote:
Why should increased corporate taxes be the funding source for this endeavor? What do they get from it, or are you seeing them merely as a revenue pool?
Stop All Subsidies

Maricopa, AZ

#64 May 2, 2011
Okay, why not just convert all the state highways, interstates and bridges to toll roads so that only those who use them pay for them, instead of burdening all taxpayers with something some may not use at all?
While we're at it, why not do the same for eduction, so only those with children using the system have to pay taxes for those who do? We can cut off taxpayer subsidies to railroads as well... Same absurd reasoning.
Air service is part of our collective transportation infrastructure; just like airports, trains, bridges, interstates, and other amenities that separates the US from "developing" (third world) countries you wouldn't want to live in.

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#65 May 2, 2011
Well..yeah. Exactly.
Stop All Subsidies wrote:
Okay, why not just convert all the state highways, interstates and bridges to toll roads so that only those who use them pay for them, instead of burdening all taxpayers with something some may not use at all?
While we're at it, why not do the same for eduction, so only those with children using the system have to pay taxes for those who do? We can cut off taxpayer subsidies to railroads as well... Same absurd reasoning.
Air service is part of our collective transportation infrastructure; just like airports, trains, bridges, interstates, and other amenities that separates the US from "developing" (third world) countries you wouldn't want to live in.
Gray

Mayhill, NM

#66 May 4, 2011
If a company can't make it without the government taking up the slack, that company should not be in business. If there were a need for the air line it would be making a profit.
Alexei de Sadeski

Carlsbad, NM

#67 May 4, 2011
Gray wrote:
If a company can't make it without the government taking up the slack, that company should not be in business. If there were a need for the air line it would be making a profit.
Really? You really think that is true? Name me one company that gets no support from government.

The debate is over who gets what, not does anyone get it.
yeah

Maricopa, AZ

#68 May 5, 2011
Alexei de Sadeski wrote:
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Really? You really think that is true? Name me one company that gets no support from government.
The debate is over who gets what, not does anyone get it.
And what about all the banks, mortgage and car companies, and others bailed out by the fed in recent years? Should we have let them all fail? All or nothing isn't a sustainable tool for resolving problems or differences of opinion. It's better for bullying and arguments where nobody really cares about (or listens to) reason or rationale anyway.

Using the logic above, we would need to shut down WIPP right away, because the ongoing expense of developing is unsustainable without steady infusions of cash from DOE and other federal sources. Life (and taxes) would be very different in Carlsbad without WIPP and other federally subsidized programs. A global view that all subsidies are bad seems short sighted.

Deputy276

“Not vengeance, punishment.”

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#69 May 5, 2011
Stop All Subsidies wrote:
Okay, why not just convert all the state highways, interstates and bridges to toll roads so that only those who use them pay for them, instead of burdening all taxpayers with something some may not use at all?
While we're at it, why not do the same for eduction, so only those with children using the system have to pay taxes for those who do? We can cut off taxpayer subsidies to railroads as well. Same brilliant reasoning.
EXACTLY what we need! Well said. It's called pay-to-play. If you want to dance to the music, you gotta pay the piper. It's called capitalism. If you can't make a go of it on your own, you fail. It's the way capitalism is SUPPOSED to work. Taxpayers AREN'T supposed to be footing the bill for all these perks used only by a select few. That's one of the reasons why we are in such deep deby in the first place. Let capitalism run it's course and don't start tweaking around with it.

Deputy276

“Not vengeance, punishment.”

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#70 May 5, 2011
Gray wrote:
If a company can't make it without the government taking up the slack, that company should not be in business. If there were a need for the air line it would be making a profit.
Again...EXACTLY RIGHT!

Deputy276

“Not vengeance, punishment.”

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#71 May 5, 2011
Alexei de Sadeski wrote:
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Really? You really think that is true? Name me one company that gets no support from government.
The debate is over who gets what, not does anyone get it.
And that makes it right?? I don't think so. Time to end this government handout BS, especially to people who have the cash to pay their own way. Again...let capitalism do it's thing and stop trying to screw with it with socialist concepts.

Deputy276

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#72 May 5, 2011
yeah wrote:
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And what about all the banks, mortgage and car companies, and others bailed out by the fed in recent years? Should we have let them all fail? All or nothing isn't a sustainable tool for resolving problems or differences of opinion. It's better for bullying and arguments where nobody really cares about (or listens to) reason or rationale anyway.
Using the logic above, we would need to shut down WIPP right away, because the ongoing expense of developing is unsustainable without steady infusions of cash from DOE and other federal sources. Life (and taxes) would be very different in Carlsbad without WIPP and other federally subsidized programs. A global view that all subsidies are bad seems short sighted.
The answer AGAIN is YES. That's CAPITALISM at work. If you can't make a go of it as a functioning profitable business, you FAIL. You declare bankruptcy. THAT is what capitalism is all about.
WIPP SHOULD be shut down. Giving people handouts and freebies does NOT stimulate them to get a job and earn the money on their own. It creates a welfare state and a welfare state of mind. A "gimme" attitude that the "haves" are REQUIRED to support the have-nots.
If you want that type of country, they already exist. They are socialist countries. That is NOt the principle the USA was fonded on. We were founded on everyone having an equal chance at succeeding. Not being supported by a nanny state.
yeah

Maricopa, AZ

#73 May 5, 2011
Carlsbad resident wrote:
Does anyone know how many other NM cities get this subsidy??
Clovis, Silver City, carlsbad and Hobbs are all eligible, but New Mexico Airlines hasn't taken the subsidy for Hobbs in several years, but they still fly there. Something about Lea County Government making it impossible to effectively administer a federally subsidized program over there...

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#74 May 6, 2011
WIPP should be shut down?

What, just walk away from all of that?

But what about teh Terrah?
Deputy276 wrote:
<quoted text>
The answer AGAIN is YES. That's CAPITALISM at work. If you can't make a go of it as a functioning profitable business, you FAIL. You declare bankruptcy. THAT is what capitalism is all about.
WIPP SHOULD be shut down. Giving people handouts and freebies does NOT stimulate them to get a job and earn the money on their own. It creates a welfare state and a welfare state of mind. A "gimme" attitude that the "haves" are REQUIRED to support the have-nots.
If you want that type of country, they already exist. They are socialist countries. That is NOt the principle the USA was fonded on. We were founded on everyone having an equal chance at succeeding. Not being supported by a nanny state.

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