Bingaman: Fed subsidy will keep local airline flying

There are 20 comments on the Carlsbad Current-Argus story from Apr 23, 2011, titled Bingaman: Fed subsidy will keep local airline flying. In it, Carlsbad Current-Argus reports that:

Thanks to a federal government program, Carlsbad will continue to receive regular air service to Albuquerque, it was announced Friday from Washington, D.C. The word came from U.S. Senator Jeff Bingaman, in a news release from his office.

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Carlsbad ex

Midland, TX

#1 Apr 24, 2011
Should our tax money be used in this manner in these economic times? What happened to competition and supply and demand? Federal government program means money from our pockets.
CornDogz

Carrollton, TX

#2 Apr 24, 2011
Lol, don't confuse the matter with logic and common sense<G>...

“Not vengeance, punishment.”

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#3 Apr 24, 2011
Just curious, but WHO uses that air service from Carslbad to Albuquerque? And why is it so necessary for it to be funded by taxpayers? If it's a profitable route, it should pay for itself.
doresett

Carlsbad, NM

#4 Apr 24, 2011
Deputy276 wrote:
Just curious, but WHO uses that air service from Carslbad to Albuquerque? And why is it so necessary for it to be funded by taxpayers? If it's a profitable route, it should pay for itself.
mostly the government employees of DOE
Mrs Milligan for example
Supply Side Economics

Maricopa, AZ

#5 Apr 24, 2011
"Should our tax money be used in this manner in these economic times? What happened to competition and supply and demand? Federal government program means money from our pockets."

A community only becomes eligible for this subsidy only when the last air carrier serving it leaves (typically because demand is insufficient to maintain a presence). Only communities with no supply of air service can participate in the program. Without it, there would be no way to fly in or out of Carlsbad, which some people need to do for work, medical procedures, family visits, etc. It cost the government and taxpayers pennies compared to subsidies for things like road improvements, welfare and Medicaid.
steve

Albuquerque, NM

#6 Apr 24, 2011
How come they did"nt do the same for Mesa Airlines instead of letting them go?
Supply Side Economics

Maricopa, AZ

#7 Apr 24, 2011
"Just curious, but WHO uses that air service from Carslbad to Albuquerque? And why is it so necessary for it to be funded by taxpayers? If it's a profitable route, it should pay for itself."

Probably the same kind of people using the same subsidy to fly to where you live; and BTW, Silver City receives several million more in subsidies than Carlsbad to fly a much larger plane nearly empty every day. It is no more profitable to fly to Carlsbad than it is to Silver City. At least carlsbad has the Caverns and WIPP. Silver is just dump with horrible "art galleries" and ugly everywhere.
Supply Side Economics

Maricopa, AZ

#8 Apr 24, 2011
"How come they did"nt do the same for Mesa Airlines instead of letting them go?"

High fares and unreliable service were part of it. Mesa was receiving subsidies all over the country, but they went bankrupt, ceased subsidized operations and moved the company to Hawaii.
zipper

Carlsbad, NM

#9 Apr 24, 2011
Supply Side Economics wrote:
"Just curious, but WHO uses that air service from Carslbad to Albuquerque? And why is it so necessary for it to be funded by taxpayers? If it's a profitable route, it should pay for itself."
Probably the same kind of people using the same subsidy to fly to where you live; and BTW, Silver City receives several million more in subsidies than Carlsbad to fly a much larger plane nearly empty every day. It is no more profitable to fly to Carlsbad than it is to Silver City. At least carlsbad has the Caverns and WIPP. Silver is just dump with horrible "art galleries" and ugly everywhere.
yeah, but bingham is from silver......... so what do you expect, most of the pork to the home town

Since: Nov 09

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#10 Apr 24, 2011
Take-home point:

"Commercial air service is very impotant to a community's ability to retain and recruit businesses," Bingaman stated in the release. "These contracts to support commercial air service are an important investment in our state's ecominic (sic) development."

He's right about that. Carlsbad has successfully solicited some new businesses lately, and if their CEO's etc don't have an easy air shuttle, they will be much less interested in Carlsbad as a prospect.

I'm surprised more of you aren't seeing that - it's a very pro-Republican standpoint, actually.
combatpilot

Fort Worth, TX

#11 Apr 25, 2011
The "Essential Air Service" contracts are awarded by the U.S. Department of Transportion every two years. The airline applicants such as New Mexico Air and Mesa Airlines lobby the local community for support groups to submit endorsements for their selection. New Mexico Airlines was awarded the U.S. Dept of Trans. bid several years ago after Mesa had provided such lousy service, and local support was given to NMA. Without the subsidy, Carlsbad would be without any airline service. Carlsbad should count the EAS service as a blessing to the community.

“Not vengeance, punishment.”

Since: Oct 09

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#12 Apr 25, 2011
Supply Side Economics wrote:
"Just curious, but WHO uses that air service from Carslbad to Albuquerque? And why is it so necessary for it to be funded by taxpayers? If it's a profitable route, it should pay for itself."
Probably the same kind of people using the same subsidy to fly to where you live; and BTW, Silver City receives several million more in subsidies than Carlsbad to fly a much larger plane nearly empty every day. It is no more profitable to fly to Carlsbad than it is to Silver City. At least carlsbad has the Caverns and WIPP. Silver is just dump with horrible "art galleries" and ugly everywhere.
Well then shut down the Silver City airlines too. I am not picking out ANY unprofitable airlines for special favors. Last time I had to fly anywhere I had to DRIVE to El Paso to catch a flight. If Silver City is sucking down tax dollars for unprofitable airlines, they need to go too. We can't afford to have any "favored status" airports or airlines with the current money situation.

“Not vengeance, punishment.”

Since: Oct 09

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#13 Apr 25, 2011
Miep wrote:
Take-home point:
"Commercial air service is very impotant to a community's ability to retain and recruit businesses," Bingaman stated in the release. "These contracts to support commercial air service are an important investment in our state's ecominic (sic) development."
He's right about that. Carlsbad has successfully solicited some new businesses lately, and if their CEO's etc don't have an easy air shuttle, they will be much less interested in Carlsbad as a prospect.
I'm surprised more of you aren't seeing that - it's a very pro-Republican standpoint, actually.
I can NOT see taxpayer dollars going to an airlines for the sole reason of being able for few company exeutives to fly in and out of a city for convenience sake. Let the companies involved PAY to keep the airport open, since they seem to be the only ones using it.

Since: Feb 07

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#14 Apr 25, 2011
Carlsbad ex wrote:
Should our tax money be used in this manner in these economic times? What happened to competition and supply and demand? Federal government program means money from our pockets.
Just like the airport in PA no one goes to.
fyi

Carlsbad, NM

#15 Apr 25, 2011
fyi

RT Carlsbad to Albq, an 1 hr 20 min flight, is $187+ tax
Alexei de Sadeski

Carlsbad, NM

#16 Apr 25, 2011
Deputy276 wrote:
<quoted text>
I can NOT see taxpayer dollars going to an airlines for the sole reason of being able for few company exeutives to fly in and out of a city for convenience sake. Let the companies involved PAY to keep the airport open, since they seem to be the only ones using it.
If you cannot see the "essential" benefit of the "essential air service subsidy" then there is no hope for you. All you are concerned about is you think there is a gravy train out there and you aren't on it. Pathetic.
CornDogz

Carrollton, TX

#17 Apr 25, 2011
RT Carlsbad/Abq, 600mi, abt 9 hours driving.

$200 @$3.75/gal = 53gals,= a veh getting <12mpg.

2 yrs ago RT flights Tucson/Abq were $98+tax<sigh>...

Since: Feb 07

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#18 Apr 25, 2011
RayOne wrote:
<quoted text>Just like the airport in PA no one goes to.
Murtha, Murtha, Murtha.
bob

Artesia, NM

#19 Apr 25, 2011
Deputy276 wrote:
Just curious, but WHO uses that air service from Carslbad to Albuquerque? And why is it so necessary for it to be funded by taxpayers? If it's a profitable route, it should pay for itself.
it's used by oilfield and mine bigwigs. those usually making annoying noise about subsidies.
bob

Artesia, NM

#20 Apr 25, 2011
combatpilot wrote:
The "Essential Air Service" contracts are awarded by the U.S. Department of Transportion every two years. The airline applicants such as New Mexico Air and Mesa Airlines lobby the local community for support groups to submit endorsements for their selection. New Mexico Airlines was awarded the U.S. Dept of Trans. bid several years ago after Mesa had provided such lousy service, and local support was given to NMA. Without the subsidy, Carlsbad would be without any airline service. Carlsbad should count the EAS service as a blessing to the community.
yea, i'll thank our creator for esa, tonight. but can you explain why the ones that use this svc can't finance thier own travels like the rest of us.

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