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#1 Dec 20, 2007
I want to get in touch with some group which is strongly anti-ethanol.
Did you know that the ethanol promoters are claiming an energy ratio of 167%, when this is sort of a figure is chemically impossible?
Did you know that this figure came from a totally phony USDA report of several years ago which obviously was the result of somebody having paid a huge bribe to someone within the USDA?
Did you know the actual Energy Ratio (that is the common term used), is approximately 33%, not 167%? All the promoters of ethanol, and the politicians who don't want the spigot shut off on their campaign funds from the ethanol industry are claiming an Energy Ratio which is 5 times greater than the actual.
Because of the fact that to advertise an energy ratio of 33%, which means it requires 3 times as much energy to produce ethanol as is contained in the ethanol produced, no politician would dare have voted for the ethanol subsidy, if the true Energy Ratio were known. As a result, the entire ethanol industry is founded on a fraudulent claim, and this makes the entire industry to be fraudulent! And to this industry our government is forking over about $4 billion per year.
But that is only the small portion of the costs.
According to my calculations, the total cost of the ethanol thing is approaching $50 billion dollars per year. More than $14 billion of this cost is due to the extra $0.10 tacked onto every gallon of motor fuel, to compensate the petroleum companies for their increased costs of transporting, storage and blending of he ethanol.
About $10 billion is due to the increased costs on our grocery bill because the price of corn, soybeans, wheat, and almost any other crop has been forced higher because of the massive amounts of corn being used for ethanol.
I have data to back up what I have said here.
How can I get it distributed to every citizen/voter, resident of the US?
#2 Dec 28, 2007
Sounds like you have done a little research, but I think you left out the real life situiation. If our nation and others don't make a move soon to find a solution to a declining quantity of Crued Oil our future will be short.
Crued Oil will not last forever and some experts say 50 years at the current usage rate. This does not include population increases. I Don't beleive anyone thinks that ethanol is the ansewer to fuel problems, but it is a proven source. I really don't think that ethanol has driven the price up on anything other than putting some income back into our nations pocket insted of a foreign country's!!! I can't think of anything that has not had a price increase, which is the result of the rise in the cost CRUED OIL.
In closing, continue to do research but keep in mind that the World is Addicted to Energy!
Since: Aug 07
Chase City, Va
#3 Dec 31, 2007
Actually Wayne, It's $14 billion (over 10 years)starting in fiscal 2008 that is allocated to the ethanol industry. This is 14b of the roughly 36b originally allocated to BIG OIL. It's in the form of low cost loans, Govt. grants, incentive programs etc. It's not "new" allocations. In other words the 14b was diverted to American industry rather than the earmarked foreign oil industry. President Bush signed the bipartisan bill and announced it during his State of the Union Address this past summer. It's easy to verify the diversion.
The question is. Do we Americans try to achieve self relience through ethanol, geothermal, wind and hydro generation, solar, etc or do we continue to rely on oil from OPEC. It's really that simple. Do the research, all of it, pro and con. Here's a anti-site and a pro-site.
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