LNF will close May 12 due to dry cond...

LNF will close May 12 due to dry conditions

There are 152 comments on the Alamogordo Daily News story from May 5, 2011, titled LNF will close May 12 due to dry conditions. In it, Alamogordo Daily News reports that:

As fire danger increases in southeastern New Mexico, fire management officials with the Lincoln National Forest are making plans to close the forest for public access and use.

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Nickels Horse

Cloudcroft, NM

#149 May 19, 2011
get this big lug off of me.
Michael Morris

Carrizozo, NM

#150 May 19, 2011
Nickels Horse wrote:
get this big lug off of me.
You are lying. Sticks cannot talk and they never would have let him on the merry go round. Even Mr. Ed knows that.

Since: Jun 08

Farmington NM

#153 May 20, 2011
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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We've already covered the abuse of the Welfare Clause. It's one of the most abused and misinterpreted parts of the the Constitution, and has been used incorrectly to increase government power far beyond what the founders intended.
We're covering the closure of public lands to public entry here, and the U.S. Government has no Constitutional authority to do so.
Timber and mining are not just about making a profit. It is about building our nation and providing the most domestic benefit by providing raw materials and domestic jobs. We WILL get the materials from somewhere, whether we utilize our own timber and mining, or simply buy what other nations are willing to sell us. Allowing strategic materials to be supplied at the whim of foreign nations is bad policy.
Until you quit misinterpreting the constitution in its current form then we will have to keep going over it and over it again.

Your opinion of the Welfare clause is your opinion half mistaken. Some of the founders wanted it out (limited) and some of them wanted wide latitude. Its the same argument we are having today. The latter won the argument because, it is in the constitution TWICE and not qualified as to what the specific limits to the federal government there really is. Otherwise, they could have easily left the TWO statements completely out. They could have easily locked in the specifics by saying this and only this. Welfare means, health and well being. Defense and Welfare. Defense and Welfare. Thats what our government is for! I will qualify that welfare does not mean we need to over extend the government, drain the treasury, or infringe on basic liberties that are not constrained by living in a society.

If the constitution was super specific on laws, then every new law would require an amendment to the constitution. Since national forests and national parks are very popular (a big reason why I quit the Libertarian Party), its likely that an amendment for national forest management could have been enacted in that matter. And then, your right back to where we are today.

We do use the national forests and public lands as well as private lands. There is plenty of extraction and grazing going on. But that is not the only purpose for national forests. Biodiversity and wild spaces are important for our sanity and our survival.
Not A Problem

Alamogordo, NM

#155 May 20, 2011
How's this for an idea: institute a state training and licensing program for "professional outdoorsmen/women". Test and license course graduates on woodcraft and legal responsibilities. Issue license contingent upon owning $1 million umbrella insurance policy - used towards events caused by camper. Professional camper would have to file camping plan with forest rangers. Any professional camper that causes a fire without proper insurance policy or through gross negligence will be tarred/feathered/thrown for life into prison with no chance of parole. That would allow people seriously dedicated to the outdoors to still enjoy them responsibly.
4real

United States

#157 May 20, 2011
First of all, forests were made to burn. It's a blessing to the plants and local ecosystem. Get over this idea that the forest is "yours" to protect from burning. Heck, in a drought you have a better chance stopping nightfall. You folks, like the previous poster, are basically big, ignorant, children with no conception of reality; hence your ludicrous commentary and personal attack fall-back strategey once your wan logic runs out. We are individual organisms born free, and made to serve no master above God, or who/what ever we consider the ultimate truth of our creation. The world is OURS....not just YOURS. I do what I want, you do what you want. If I don't hurt you in doing my will, you have no right to infringe upon my inalienable rights to pursuit of happiness...whether that be in the forest or not. Get some cryboys.
4real

United States

#158 May 20, 2011
Another thing:
I don't know any of you alamoGORDO boys one stitch. I don't need to in order for my proceeding comment to hit home. Mick morris, you come off like a complete LOSER, NO_LIFE, scummy excuse for a man-girl. You should listen to the guy whose character you are ATTEMPTING to assassinate. He has shown himself, through this forum at least,(I'm no troll, nor do I care THAT much about any anonymous individual here) to be a superior human being to you. You should take a very close look at his character and TRY to learn something. Of course that would require you admitting TO YOURSELF that you were completely wrong and learn something. That's what a real man would do. But of course, your type doesn't do what real men do regularly I'd wager, not to mention the fact that, again following the profiling on you, you are NEVER wrong. Hahahahah
Learn something boys, become men. You can't blame the world around you for your own ignorance forever.
Michael Morris

Carrizozo, NM

#160 May 21, 2011
4real wrote:
Another thing:
I don't know any of you alamoGORDO boys one stitch. I don't need to in order for my proceeding comment to hit home. Mick morris, you come off like a complete LOSER, NO_LIFE, scummy excuse for a man-girl. You should listen to the guy whose character you are ATTEMPTING to assassinate. He has shown himself, through this forum at least,(I'm no ****, nor do I care THAT much about any anonymous individual here) to be a superior human being to you. You should take a very close look at his character and TRY to learn something. Of course that would require you admitting TO YOURSELF that you were completely wrong and learn something. That's what a real man would do. But of course, your type doesn't do what real men do regularly I'd wager, not to mention the fact that, again following the profiling on you, you are NEVER wrong. Hahahahah
Learn something boys, become men. You can't blame the world around you for your own ignorance forever.
Nah, my two largest sources of income come from foresting and wildland fire. Guys like Nickel, hell bent on proving their right to do everything except act in a responsible manner, are the reason the forest is closed. You see the psuedo outdoor types all the time with all of their hinkey gear pulling their catalytic converters over the dry grass and placing kerosene lanterns on the slash cover on the floor. Nope. You just look at things without any context and jump to conclusions you cannot support. That makes you an idiot, but if you have a better explanation please share it with those of us who, unlike Nickel, have to pay taxes to clean it up.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#161 May 21, 2011
Michael Morris wrote:
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Nah, my two largest sources of income come from foresting and wildland fire. Guys like Nickel, hell bent on proving their right to do everything except act in a responsible manner, are the reason the forest is closed. You see the psuedo outdoor types all the time with all of their hinkey gear pulling their catalytic converters over the dry grass and placing kerosene lanterns on the slash cover on the floor. Nope. You just look at things without any context and jump to conclusions you cannot support. That makes you an idiot, but if you have a better explanation please share it with those of us who, unlike Nickel, have to pay taxes to clean it up.
Aw Micheal, you disappoint me again with all of your accusations you cannot possibly support. You cannot name one single instance where I've acted irresponsibly on public lands, because that instance simply does not exist. You must know that there is nothing irresponsible about the public utilizing our public lands. If you spent any time in the outdoors at all, you wouldn't be so negative toward the people who ultimately pay your salary. But it's no surprise you have such an elitist attitude.

The reason the forest is closed is because of reactionary government officials who have grown accustomed to unchecked power. To them, the closing of public lands to the public is merely another day at work.
Michael Morris

Carrizozo, NM

#162 May 21, 2011
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Aw Micheal, you disappoint me again with all of your accusations you cannot possibly support. You cannot name one single instance where I've acted irresponsibly on public lands, because that instance simply does not exist. You must know that there is nothing irresponsible about the public utilizing our public lands. If you spent any time in the outdoors at all, you wouldn't be so negative toward the people who ultimately pay your salary. But it's no surprise you have such an elitist attitude.
The reason the forest is closed is because of reactionary government officials who have grown accustomed to unchecked power. To them, the closing of public lands to the public is merely another day at work.
Everything in your life is slipshod and lazy and you really have no discernable moral underpinnings, so I simply assess you as another fat blowhard that is always considering his instant gratification before anything more cerebral like fire safety. Again this is just my opinion based on what I can find of you and your conduct in the forums. Those are the sort of people who lean across a lantern rather than spring up like their less gluttonous cousins and walk to the marshmallow bag or 12 pack. I could be wrong in my assessment. It is entirely possible that a flabby, self absorbed and lazy individual such as yourself is a fastidious camper though most sane people have no zeal to call your bet.

Why is it you cannot grasp that you are not at all what you wish people to think? Your mail is returned undeliverable to the court from a nightmarish trailer at the address you gave them, yet you are owner of properties in varied areas and proprietor of a business of some unspecified variety. You are able to maintain your equipment in proper operating condition yet you are unable to raise $80 to pay a fine in the month the judge gave you. Wake up man. You can stop being a pathetic loser any time you want. You don't seem stupid, but spending your time on senseless martyrdom on any subject that smacks of gumment control taking all credence from the honest people on that side of the argument isn't the way to do it. It is people like you that are the reason environmental agitators get their way. The other side, represented by people like you, look like a movement of derranged loons trying to upset the apple cart to the detriment of all.

In short what I mean is if you really support this the best thing you can do is shut up in public. If, on the other hand, you are a plant meant to discredit that movement from within, by all means keep up the good work stooge.
A true conservative

Albuquerque, NM

#163 May 21, 2011
Cary is a true embarrassment to the conservative cause. If he could stop stroking himself long enough, he might realize he is the best argument for liberalism out there.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#164 May 21, 2011
Michael Morris wrote:
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Everything in your life is slipshod and lazy and you really have no discernable moral underpinnings, so I simply assess you as another fat blowhard that is always considering his instant gratification before anything more cerebral like fire safety. Again this is just my opinion based on what I can find of you and your conduct in the forums. Those are the sort of people who lean across a lantern rather than spring up like their less gluttonous cousins and walk to the marshmallow bag or 12 pack. I could be wrong in my assessment. It is entirely possible that a flabby, self absorbed and lazy individual such as yourself is a fastidious camper though most sane people have no zeal to call your bet.
Why is it you cannot grasp that you are not at all what you wish people to think? Your mail is returned undeliverable to the court from a nightmarish trailer at the address you gave them, yet you are owner of properties in varied areas and proprietor of a business of some unspecified variety. You are able to maintain your equipment in proper operating condition yet you are unable to raise $80 to pay a fine in the month the judge gave you. Wake up man. You can stop being a pathetic loser any time you want. You don't seem stupid, but spending your time on senseless martyrdom on any subject that smacks of gumment control taking all credence from the honest people on that side of the argument isn't the way to do it. It is people like you that are the reason environmental agitators get their way. The other side, represented by people like you, look like a movement of derranged loons trying to upset the apple cart to the detriment of all.
In short what I mean is if you really support this the best thing you can do is shut up in public. If, on the other hand, you are a plant meant to discredit that movement from within, by all means keep up the good work stooge.
Michael, Micheal, Micheal...your jealousy is showing again!
what is true

United States

#165 May 23, 2011
Wow. BIG MICHAEL MORRIS from TULIE TOWN. Ehhhh hmmm. Allow me to clear my throat so that my voice may cut more clearly through the clouds of self righteousness and pompousness that cloud your view of all things.

The problem you have "Mikey" is that you are playing a nonsensical child's game with complex, dynamic, and ever evolving dialogue and politics. Just because you think something's true, doesn't make it so. Now if you assert a fact that is defensible by some rationalization of empirical evidence, then let's see it.

As of now, you are the dispicable one in the exchange on this post. Your wanna be elitist airs are sorely out of place TULIE BOY. You only make a living on public lands because WE SAY SO. You don't own the land, or the government truck, or the right to do anything above your ultimate boss and supervisor: The American People. You need to bow down to the truth of the world around you and adapt...or become a living fossil.

I think you should take your own advice and kindly, "Shut up in public".

I also think Sam Clemens said it best, "It's better to keep your mouth shut and leave everyone guessing as to whether or not you are a fool, than it is to open your mouth and leave them with no doubt."

If this was an election, the real person, the real human being actually doing the best they can with what they have, without the need to STOMP ON ANOTHER HUMAN TO RAISE THEMSELVES HIGHER should win. The winner is....(drum roll)......anybody but somebody like you.... by a landslide!!

You heard me. I know you did. I know you can read and write quite well. You were taught WHAT to think well. Now, let's work on HOW to think, huh? Try being nice for a change little guy. The world will be a more beautiful place to you for it.

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