Mailer: Ruidoso Downs tax would be paid mostly by tourists

Aug 15, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Ruidoso News

Campaign material, asking Ruidoso Downs voters to support a proposed Quality of Life gross receipts tax in the city, tells registered voters that the tax would largely be paid by people other than residents of Ruidoso Downs.

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Wayne Williams said. "Ninety-five percent of all gross receipts taxes collected within Ruidoso Downs will be paid for by people other than Ruidoso Downs. Now this is done to save the museum that does Ruidoso Downs no quality of life improvement whatsoever. The only thing it does is glorify one person's name."

Wayne Williams is frequently quoted trashing the Hubbard Museum of the American West. Has he ever gone into the Hubbard Museum? Has he ever toured any of the changing and permanent exhibits there? Does he have any idea of how this museum or any other museum improves the quality of life in a small town?

Mr. Williams greatest complaint seems to be that R.D. Hubbard has his name on the museum. Yes, it is the HUBBARD Museum of the American West, but R.D. and Joan Dale Hubbard gave the museum to the City of Ruidoso Downs in 2005 along with a gift 1.5 million dollars that was intended to offset museum deficits over the next ten years. Unfortunately, the City Council of Ruidoso Downs spent all of that money in 7 years and apparently contributed none of its own money to operating the museum. Besides that, any resident of Ruidoso Downs was entitled to visit the museum free of charge. Does the Hubbard name make Mr. Williams so angry that he won't even walk into the Hubbard Museum for free? Is he afraid of learning something about the history and/or art of Southeastern New Mexico? He's so often quoted in the Ruidoso News, does he even know what he's talking about?
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Listen up fatty,
Offering free museum admission to a Ruidoso Downs resident is akin to offering free parking to the Car-less. Lets call a spade a spade. The museum was designed to honor the Hubbard name. The operations cost quickly proved a nuisance even to the cash loaded Hubbard empire. They realized they needed to dump the museum. They dumped it on the broke city of Ruidoso Downs. An account was said to be in existence to assist with the operating costs. Either that account was never as flush ad we were told or someone pilfered the hell out of it. After the tax scam was successfully perpetrated on the people of Ruidoso, of course they sought to run the same racket on the Downs. Fortunately the working class if Ruidoso shut that idea down.
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And who has been the master manipulator of all of this-from the "donation of the museum" back in 2006 to the structuring of the bogus tax election? None other than the city attorney, you know, the guy who has never worked for Hubbard-the guy who is drawing a salary(a big one) from the city and is to ADVISE the city? HE has cost the city a lot of money and it's not over yet. Talk about the fox in the henhouse.....or is it the sheep being led to slaughter?
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Gordo wrote:
Wayne Williams said. "Ninety-five percent of all gross receipts taxes collected within Ruidoso Downs will be paid for by people other than Ruidoso Downs. Now this is done to save the museum that does Ruidoso Downs no quality of life improvement whatsoever. The only thing it does is glorify one person's name."
Wayne Williams is frequently quoted trashing the Hubbard Museum of the American West. Has he ever gone into the Hubbard Museum? Has he ever toured any of the changing and permanent exhibits there? Does he have any idea of how this museum or any other museum improves the quality of life in a small town?
Mr. Williams greatest complaint seems to be that R.D. Hubbard has his name on the museum. Yes, it is the HUBBARD Museum of the American West, but R.D. and Joan Dale Hubbard gave the museum to the City of Ruidoso Downs in 2005 along with a gift 1.5 million dollars that was intended to offset museum deficits over the next ten years. Unfortunately, the City Council of Ruidoso Downs spent all of that money in 7 years and apparently contributed none of its own money to operating the museum. Besides that, any resident of Ruidoso Downs was entitled to visit the museum free of charge. Does the Hubbard name make Mr. Williams so angry that he won't even walk into the Hubbard Museum for free? Is he afraid of learning something about the history and/or art of Southeastern New Mexico? He's so often quoted in the Ruidoso News, does he even know what he's talking about?
Read the article in 11/16 Ruidoso News! Yes, Mr. Williams DOES know what he's talking about!! Looks like the "Governing Body" raped the $1.5 Mil., the first yr.(2005) Read on, the City of Ruidoso Downs has dumped large amounts of money into the Museum over the last 7 years! Mr. Williams never wanted to shut down the Museum, he's only tried to stop the wasteful spending and asked the City to live within their means!!!!
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Nov 16, 2012
 
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This, like so many ongoing things in Ruidoso going on to this day sounds criminal. Where is the prosecution? The investigation? Where did the funds go? Where do the funds go? Organizations like the Foodbank operate on a bare bones volunteer basis. Other "non profits" are pillaging our community and our Church resources. Before you donate another penny to any museum or non profit in Ruidoso Downs, your due dilligence is essential.

Nonprofits are required to submit their financial statements and other information -- including the salaries of DIRECTORS, officers, and KEY employees -- to the IRS.(For information on who is considered a key employee, see IRS Form 990 and its instructions.)

The IRS and nonprofits themselves are required to disclose the information on Form 990 to ANYONE WHO ASKS. Nonprofits must allow public inspection of these records during regular business hours at their principal offices. However, many people won't even need to ask -- a number of websites make Forms 990 available for the searching, including the Foundation Center at http://fdncenter.org and GuideStar at www.guidestar.org .

In addition, people can request information from the IRS by writing a letter, including the name of the organization, the year, and the type of tax return requested, and send it to:

Commissioner of Internal Revenue
Attn: Freedom of Information Reading Room
1111 Constitution Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20224
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The Museum is not a nonprofit. It is a department of the city of Ruidoso Downs.
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Nov 19, 2012
 
I did nit know I could get a copy of the non profit firm just for asking. This is very helpful. I have unanswered questions about a local non profit. Thank you.
Gordo

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Read the article in 11/16 Ruidoso News! Yes, Mr. Williams DOES know what he's talking about!! Looks like the "Governing Body" raped the $1.5 Mil., the first yr.(2005) Read on, the City of Ruidoso Downs has dumped large amounts of money into the Museum over the last 7 years! Mr. Williams never wanted to shut down the Museum, he's only tried to stop the wasteful spending and asked the City to live within their means!!!!
1. Wayne Williams is, in fact, a "good citizen" for asking the City to live within their means. He does not, however, seem to have any inside information about those means. How could he? If you look at the city's budget, you can't tell where some of the money comes from.

2. As far as I can tell the "Governing Body," you probably mean the City Council, had nothing to do with "raping" the money R.D. Hubbard gave to the city. It looks like the $1.5 million paid for all of the museum's expenses, including payroll, water bills, electricity, etc. Someone at city hall, not an elected official was spending the money as fast as they could. Maybe they didn't want the museum to survive.

3. The city didn't "dump" money into the museum. A lot of the money that goes to be museum comes out of the Lodgers'Tax that can only be used to promote tourism. The only tourist attraction that the city owns, is the Hubbard Museum. It would be against the law for the city to spend it on the police department or for fixing sidewalks.

4. The city spending money on the museum isn't "wasteful spending." The Hubbard Museum is, in fact a tourist attraction. You probably won't believe this, but busloads of tourists from Europe go to the museum in the summer. If you look at license plates in the parking lot, there are many from NM, but even more from out of state.

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Gordo wrote:
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1. Wayne Williams is, in fact, a "good citizen" for asking the City to live within their means. He does not, however, seem to have any inside information about those means. How could he? If you look at the city's budget, you can't tell where some of the money comes from.
2. As far as I can tell the "Governing Body," you probably mean the City Council, had nothing to do with "raping" the money R.D. Hubbard gave to the city. It looks like the $1.5 million paid for all of the museum's expenses, including payroll, water bills, electricity, etc. Someone at city hall, not an elected official was spending the money as fast as they could. Maybe they didn't want the museum to survive.
3. The city didn't "dump" money into the museum. A lot of the money that goes to be museum comes out of the Lodgers'Tax that can only be used to promote tourism. The only tourist attraction that the city owns, is the Hubbard Museum. It would be against the law for the city to spend it on the police department or for fixing sidewalks.
4. The city spending money on the museum isn't "wasteful spending." The Hubbard Museum is, in fact a tourist attraction. You probably won't believe this, but busloads of tourists from Europe go to the museum in the summer. If you look at license plates in the parking lot, there are many from NM, but even more from out of state.
If the museum is so popular and well trafficked, to what do you attribute its losing money at such a rate? Is the entry fee too low? Are the numbers of visitors just not enough to make for profit? Is it destined to be a losing proposition no matter what?
I've been to many museums and I think the museum could be more than it is-- more displays, more scheduled events, etc. It seems that its survival depends on making some constructive and financially sound changes in how it's being managed..
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GladysSmith wrote:
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If the museum is so popular and well trafficked, to what do you attribute its losing money at such a rate? Is the entry fee too low? Are the numbers of visitors just not enough to make for profit? Is it destined to be a losing proposition no matter what?
I've been to many museums and I think the museum could be more than it is-- more displays, more scheduled events, etc. It seems that its survival depends on making some constructive and financially sound changes in how it's being managed..
Yes. I agree that it could and should be managed better. I get the impression that the city managers are not interested in doing that. The question is, why not?
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Nov 23, 2012
 
With 100% certainty I state the following fact:

TheHubbards intended this as a gift and set it up with an abundance of revenue to operate the museum. Certain Heavys assumed that after the accounts were pillaged that Hubbard would refill the coffer and so they pillaged with reckless abandon.
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When the City received the Museum, there were 30 employees. In the last 7 years $3 million has been spent on payroll and benefits for employees. So yes, the City has spent an abundance of money from the General Fund to keep the museum afloat.
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Thirty employees? Are these positions like mob jobs or what? What do these thirty people do?
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Thirty employees? Are these positions like mob jobs or what? What do these thirty people do?
There are only 7 or 8 now..........they gave up a lot to keep their jobs. The point is, the GIFT of the museum was far from FREE!!
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Nov 26, 2012
 
I hear the blackest gore's tail points to a brotherly. I tried to follow it once but I ended up at the Walmart bakery.

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