Settlement reached in checkerspot suit

A settlement reached by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and environmentalists requires the agency to take the first step in determining whether a rare butterfly deserves protection under the Endangered ... Full Story
my2sense from alamogordo

Albuquerque, NM

#2 Apr 16, 2008
What would be the cost of protecting this (apparently not very smart or they would have chosen somewhere else to settle) butterfly? Can they be relocated? Is that even possible?

While it would seem that these folks perform a noble service in protecting our planet do they ever direct any of their compassion toward the residents, farmers, and ranchers that are often critically empacted by their policies? It would appear that the public, if not a source of support, is not important enough to protect. Or perhaps someone else understands this issue in a way that makes more sense? Help me out here?
John Baake

Alamogordo, NM

#3 Apr 16, 2008
Of course they can be transported to other areas. There is nothing so unique about the Cloudcroft area that can't be duplicated in other parts of the Sacromento's, the San Andres, or other desert mountain areas.

This is a subspecies of a very widespread and plentiful species of checkerspot butterflys.
The only real difference is the coloration.

These enviromentalists groups time and money would be better spent developing and running a hatchery of sorts for these and other butterflys they feel concerned about.
The cost would probably be about 1/10th of a single lawsuit, and they could reintroduce the butterflys to areas at need without any disruption of current human activity's.

They could accomplish all of their goals without any government intervention at all.

But of course that would require them to actually think about something other than how evil humans are, and new ways to restrict human activity.

Since: Dec 07

Ashburn, VA

#4 Apr 16, 2008
The whole purpose of these lawsuits is an attempt to close down the forest. They don't want you building your houses in Cloudcroft, High Rolls or anywhere else. They also don't want you hiking camping hunting or fishing. They've already succeeded in shutting down logging, now they are going after ranching. Hunters will be next and then the general public.
Military Wife

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Apr 16, 2008
I t's a stupid butterfly!! Why doesn't as much concern go toward the human race?
HIGH ROLLS

Tularosa, NM

#6 Apr 16, 2008
Rudy Is Right!!
They are closing is all down and it belongs to US! But we are no longer allowed free use of the forest, we have to have a permit to do just about anything anymore if it involves getting off of a road...and that is BS...
downinthelowland s

Alamogordo, NM

#7 Apr 16, 2008
Go get them WildEarth Guardians and Center for Biological Diversity people....

now you understand why the Forest Service is constantly putting a halt to their programs or projects and not able to "manage the lands" as they've been charged to do by Congress.

It's not that they don't want to...it's because they have to!

“Best Quilter in Alamogordo”

Since: Feb 08

Alamogordo

#8 Apr 16, 2008
Has anyone else in High Rolls have the butterfly on their property? Yes... I know two at least. So why are they saying that the butterfly needs to be protected. The mountains are full of them.

Since: Jan 08

Middle of Nowhere, NM

#9 Apr 16, 2008
Freakin tree-huggers. I a butterfly. What would we really use if it did become extinct. I am for protecting the enviroment but when it comes to something as STUPID as this its crazy!!
jpe

Tularosa, NM

#10 Apr 16, 2008
It is a bitter pill to swallow-a little butterfly functioning like the canary in the coal mine-if it dies, we will die. We are only a small part of a much larger system of mountain health, all scornful comments to the contrary. We need our mesengers to warn us. Do you need the bigger picture-where are the salmon on the coasts-they have not shown up this year for the first time ever?

“Best Quilter in Alamogordo”

Since: Feb 08

Alamogordo

#11 Apr 16, 2008
The salmon don't run until September, if you hurry you can get a good seat.
jpe wrote:
It is a bitter pill to swallow-a little butterfly functioning like the canary in the coal mine-if it dies, we will die. We are only a small part of a much larger system of mountain health, all scornful comments to the contrary. We need our mesengers to warn us. Do you need the bigger picture-where are the salmon on the coasts-they have not shown up this year for the first time ever?

Since: Dec 07

AOL

#12 Apr 16, 2008
Our Tax Dollars at Work!
ARGHH.
Dang it, it took me a year to gather enough to make a taco. OK, I'll turn them loose!
But I'm keeping the Spotted Owls.
Veteran

United States

#13 Apr 16, 2008
jpe wrote:
It is a bitter pill to swallow-a little butterfly functioning like the canary in the coal mine-if it dies, we will die. We are only a small part of a much larger system of mountain health, all scornful comments to the contrary. We need our mesengers to warn us. Do you need the bigger picture-where are the salmon on the coasts-they have not shown up this year for the first time ever?
A TYPICIL DUMB A$$ BARKHUMPPER COMMENT !!!!
sam

Tularosa, NM

#14 Apr 16, 2008
Hunters, be alert, open season on gray wolves, butterflies and spotted owls, the environmentalists can't list something endangered if it doesn't exist, I wish there was a season on environmentalist
found interesting

Albuquerque, NM

#15 Apr 16, 2008
I have seen what the environmentalists can do to an entire county and it is not a pretty site. Looks like their sites are on this county! Not good!
PJH

Cloudcroft, NM

#16 Apr 17, 2008
This article states "the butterfly is being threatened by climate change, insecticides, development, off-roading and livestock grazing."
When the actual useage of the Threatened and Endangered listing is used to stop or hinger thinning the forest to historical levels and protecting the community for a serious fire danger.
Veteran

Barnesville, OH

#17 Apr 17, 2008
TREEHUGGERS, One of the MAIN reasons you are paying 3.50$$$ for gas!!!!!
And thats a GD FACT!!!!!!!!!!

Since: Jan 08

Middle of Nowhere, NM

#18 Apr 17, 2008
Veteran wrote:
TREEHUGGERS, One of the MAIN reasons you are paying 3.50$$$ for gas!!!!!
And thats a GD FACT!!!!!!!!!!
So true, so true!
my2sense from alamogordo

Albuquerque, NM

#19 Apr 17, 2008
PJH wrote:
This article states "the butterfly is being threatened by climate change, insecticides, development, off-roading and livestock grazing."
When the actual useage of the Threatened and Endangered listing is used to stop or hinger thinning the forest to historical levels and protecting the community for a serious fire danger.
Uh? I feel like there is a valid point here, but I lost it...Did you mean "hinder" thinning...and,perhaps, protecting "from" a serious fire danger? BTW, last I heard the mountain is currently on fire.

Anyway, I know that we all get in a hurry and typos do happen, but I thought that you made a very important point and I wanted to ensure it was noted.
Liem

Höst, Germany

#20 Feb 1, 2012
The whole purpose of these lawsuits is an attempt to close down the forest. They don't want you building your houses in Cloudcroft, High Rolls or anywhere else. They also don't want you hiking camping hunting or fishing. They've already succeeded in shutting down logging, now they are going after ranching. Hunters will be next and then the general public.

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