Apache Tribe lands nearly $1M

Apache Tribe lands nearly $1M

There are 78 comments on the Alamogordo Daily News story from Mar 4, 2009, titled Apache Tribe lands nearly $1M. In it, Alamogordo Daily News reports that:

The Mescalero Apache Tribe will benefit by nearly $1 million out of $3.69 million allocated last week by the Department of Housing and Urban Development through the Native American Housing Block Grant program.

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Up On The Hill

United States

#22 Mar 9, 2009
I am tired of people saying "What about the casinos?" "Where is all that money?" You wanna know where all that money is? It's in the STATE FINANCES! All that money. Because of the compacts that the Tribes "signed" (Either you do or else) with New Mexico, the money is being TAKEN AWAY from the TRIBE! This money could have been used to help the people of the reservations. So now, the streets you drive on, the clean water you have, the colleges your children attend, the police that protect you, the politicians that "represent you", are all being paid with the money that comes from the Casinos. We don't receive all of it. Only a small portion to run the tribal government is given to the tribe, while the majority is given to the state.

Furthermore, the U.S. government entered into an agreement with the Native Peoples. These agreements were made as a way to protect both sides but only one side has benefited from those agreements. IF the U.S. Government were to rescind this agreement, just imagine how it would look with all other agreements around the world. It's bad enough that the U.S. government's word doesn't mean much overseas, but moreover to its own citizens.

Just because we are getting some MUCH NEEDED help, the naysayers and the bigots raise their heads in defiance. When it comes down to helping people, no matter who they are, people who don't want to see it happen are those who are happy with the status-quo. Let the rich get richer and poor get poorer, let the problem worry about itself, let the cycle continue.

I don't dismiss that tribal governments are not without their flaws, but what government is perfect? Certainly not the U.S. government, we've all seen their 'honesty and compassion.'

All in all, the money these tribes are getting will help build new homes, help renovate old homes to be more energy efficient and to those that wanna know where the money is going, federal programs are structured in such a way that each dollar must be accounted for. Yes, there is always an exception to the rule (Those government agencies that have abused this power, B.I.A.), yet don't stop progress while it's still early.

HAVE FAITH!

“I LOVE President Barack Obama”

Since: Dec 07

NWIllinois-now-High Rolls, NM

#23 Mar 9, 2009
My gawd, after the white man stole the land, rounded the up, forced them to march and killed the Natives, you would think a little justice would be in order?

President Obama was the first President to use the term: First Americans ... as they are the FIRST Americans and were betrayed and killed by the white man.

I am glad that President Obama has kept his pledge of spreading the wealth at the expense of the wealthy. Time and time again the white man has exploited the Native Americans, it's payback time!

Joplin worked in Mescalero and has seen the poverty first hand. Native Americans are amongst the most peaceful, loving Americans in this country. Heck they even invite strangers to their coming of age ceremonies.

More power to my fellow brown skinned brothers and sisters! Remember they ARE Americans and were the FIRST AMERICANS!
Native American Girl

United States

#24 Mar 9, 2009
Everyone who is not native should just mind thier won business, just remember YOU ALL are living on Native American Land no matter where u live in the US!

“I LOVE President Barack Obama”

Since: Dec 07

NWIllinois-now-High Rolls, NM

#25 Mar 9, 2009
Native American Girl wrote:
Everyone who is not native should just mind their own business, just remember YOU ALL are living on Native American Land no matter where u live in the US!
Kudos and props!
Up On The Hill

United States

#27 Mar 9, 2009
The Phantom, your response to Native American Girl seems more misogynist than anything.

It is obvious with your ignorance and bigotry that you are a racist. Although, many outside of Mescalero do not like Mescaleros, they deeply depend on Mescalero to keep food on their table and to be able to live day to day.

In Lincoln County, the Mescalero Apache Tribe is the BIGGEST employer and in Otero County, it is second, only to that of the Hollowman Air Force Base. So, you see, we do our part in helping you "whiteys" as you so 'elegantly' put it.
Garganchuan

Los Angeles, CA

#28 Mar 9, 2009
Up On The Hill wrote:
I am tired of people saying "What about the casinos?" "Where is all that money?" You wanna know where all that money is? It's in the STATE FINANCES! All that money. Because of the compacts that the Tribes "signed" (Either you do or else) with New Mexico, the money is being TAKEN AWAY from the TRIBE! This money could have been used to help the people of the reservations. So now, the streets you drive on, the clean water you have, the colleges your children attend, the police that protect you, the politicians that "represent you", are all being paid with the money that comes from the Casinos. We don't receive all of it. Only a small portion to run the tribal government is given to the tribe, while the majority is given to the state.
Furthermore, the U.S. government entered into an agreement with the Native Peoples. These agreements were made as a way to protect both sides but only one side has benefited from those agreements. IF the U.S. Government were to rescind this agreement, just imagine how it would look with all other agreements around the world. It's bad enough that the U.S. government's word doesn't mean much overseas, but moreover to its own citizens.
Just because we are getting some MUCH NEEDED help, the naysayers and the bigots raise their heads in defiance. When it comes down to helping people, no matter who they are, people who don't want to see it happen are those who are happy with the status-quo. Let the rich get richer and poor get poorer, let the problem worry about itself, let the cycle continue.
I don't dismiss that tribal governments are not without their flaws, but what government is perfect? Certainly not the U.S. government, we've all seen their 'honesty and compassion.'
All in all, the money these tribes are getting will help build new homes, help renovate old homes to be more energy efficient and to those that wanna know where the money is going, federal programs are structured in such a way that each dollar must be accounted for. Yes, there is always an exception to the rule (Those government agencies that have abused this power, B.I.A.), yet don't stop progress while it's still early.
HAVE FAITH!
This is a lie, don't believe the hype! When you pull in 100 million per year as revenue, and have 20 million in expenses to run operations, which leaves 15% or 12.5% Compact Signing Tax, that is 10 million in taxes, carry the one and that leaves you 70 million to do whatever you want with the money? Account for the 70 million and I will gladly hear your claim that it goes for schools, and yada, yada, yada!
Frances

United States

#29 Mar 9, 2009
I am from Mescalero and have lived here my whole life. I have many relatives and friends who live with other relatives and friends and are in dire need of a home. Most everyone I know is hardworking and takes care of their families and does the best they can with what they have. I myself am college educated with a daughter in college and three teenagers in high school. I do not live in HUD housing but see the families that are provided with homes and know that people are benefiting from the program. We are a sovereign nation and it was the federal government themselves who forced the native peoples to live the white man way and gave us reservations and the power to control our reservations. We benefit from federal government dollars the same way that City, County, and State governments do and we are also taxpayers. Our casino is the second largest employer in our county and the largest in Lincoln County and I am sure that many businesses and non Tribal people benefit greatly from this fact. It is sad that we are still stereotyped by so many ignorant people; there are some of our people who are bad seeds but the same goes in any other city in the country. I am Proud to be Native and do not feel that we are being given a handout.
Up On The Hill

United States

#30 Mar 10, 2009
Well, if you're an expert on all things gaming, written in these compacts is how much these casinos can give to the tribal governments. Depending on the tribal government (how big their population is and how many other departments they have under their government) the money they receive to run the tribal government is barely enough to keep those employed by the tribal government in their current positions.

Furthermore, there are the expenditures of running the casinos, paying for the construction to build these casinos. Yes, I can already hear your argument that those are the debts the tribe has occurred, but precisely, it is debt that EVERY government has. To build a future for their people. I could see your point if we could simply have all the money to ourselves, but we still have to pay for our taxes like you do and every other citizen.

Is it because we are Native American you feel the government shouldn't help its citizens? Should they give this money to poor white people? I hate to live in a country that denies help to people simply because they are not of the majority.

Yet, over the years, America has overcome its bigoted citizens and their need to keep oppression alive. When it all comes down to it, we are still receiving this money, to be used for what is needed, housing.

So now, maybe you wanna keep housing away from those who lost their homes and families in Louisiana from hurricane Katrina.

Way to go! ;-)
my2sensefromalam ogordo

Albuquerque, NM

#31 Mar 10, 2009
"Up on the hill" you ask if it is because you are Native Americans that many folks feel you should not be given more help. I'm going to assume your sincerity and give you my opinion; nope, not for that reason at all. I truly believe that ALL those in need MUST receive assistance, doing that should be the priority of our government. I would cheerfully pay my taxes if that were the case.(I pay them but it hurts!)

The problem I have is with the "we're a sovereign nation, we answer to no one" attitude. I don't think you can have it both ways, either you're totally seperate or you are not.

Also, I very much resent being called a bigot and told I must atone for shameful actions taken hundreds of years ago. I think that particular argument is made only as an excuse for not having answers to legitimate questions. Yes, our government has been shown to be corrupt and inept. Doesn't excuse yours, does it? Do you really feel accountability is unreasonable?

Civil debate will win more people to your cause than unfounded accusations and name calling. I would love a discussion to understand each side of this issue better. Perhaps a few minds could even be changed...
Confused

Palo Alto, CA

#32 Mar 10, 2009
They seemed to be fine in teepees less than 100 years ago, why the big hoopla now?

“+Brutally Inquizitive+”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#33 Mar 11, 2009
Confused wrote:
They seemed to be fine in teepees less than 100 years ago, why the big hoopla now?
real classy... your mother must be so proud
Cactus Flower

Alamogordo, NM

#35 Mar 11, 2009
Confused wrote:
They seemed to be fine in teepees less than 100 years ago, why the big hoopla now?
A hundred years ago many people lived in sod houses too, are you volunteering to go back to those simpler times. I am sure the lack of running water and indoor plumbing would not be much of an inconvenience to you.
Up On The Hill

United States

#36 Mar 11, 2009
“my2sensefromalamogordo”, First, let me clarify that I was not calling you a bigot personally, I was referring to those that were plain rude and hostile towards Natives in general. Secondly, I never said Tribal governments were not without their flaws, I actually acknowledged that. In no way was I referring to the U.S. government’s lack-luster relations with Tribal governments as an excuse for corruption at the tribal level. As I stated, no government is perfect. Even at the city, county, and state levels. Finally, the “"we're a sovereign nation, we answer to no one" attitude is somewhat true. We are a politically sovereign people that are exempt from the taxes counties impose on food and what not. We have our own political system that only tribal members can hold a seat. If we were a truly sovereign nation, then we could do just about anything we wanted. Yet, that isn’t the case. We still pay taxes on the gaming compacts, we answer to the federal government and the state, much like another municipality. The laws that govern you also govern us. How is that sovereign?

The whole issue about sovereignty came from the treaties the U.S. government signed with the Native peoples of America. In these treaties the U.S. government acknowledged we were a nation of and to ourselves, with the right to govern its people as they seen fit. For many decades after the last treaty was signed, these Native tribes were pretty much forgotten and held on unsuitable land almost like prisoners of war. The early attempts at governing ourselves were not acknowledged, the corrupted B.I.A. spent money that was meant for the Tribe’s people, what suitable land there was, was sold to prospectors and ranchers for next to nothing. Native Americans were not granted citizenship until 1924 but many western states did not allow Natives to vote, New Mexico included. It wasn’t until 1948 that Natives could vote in New Mexico. The reason I brought this all up is to illustrate a point, even in the beginning we were not a sovereign nation. Today, we are slowly obtaining our rights as a nation.

Although we are a ‘nation within a nation’ we still are Americans. There are many fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, aunts, uncles, sisters, brothers who are serving in the military of our great nation. We are just as patriotic as any other red blooded American.

Coming back to the original issue, the help our tribe is receiving through H.U.D. will tremendously help many families on the reservation. There are still many families that have 6 – 12 people living in a 3-4 bedroom house. Perhaps, where the misunderstanding is coming from is the thought that these houses are “free” houses. That is not the truth. These families that are granted a home built with funds from H.U.D. still make monthly payments, much like a mortgage. So, these homes are not free.

Yes, civil debate can be productive and informative to those involved. However, debating in forums such as these leaves the door open to those that would cause animosity on both sides of any issue. To deny these people the right to voice their opinion goes against what we hold dear. But as we can see here, it only leads to hurt feelings and the ignorance to spread.

I take encouragement from your willingness to hear both sides of the debate. Hopefully, many people will be educated through these civil debates.
Up On The Hill

United States

#37 Mar 11, 2009
clark wrote:
Many people's businesses are failing, many more have become unemployed, but I don't see the government doing a damn thing to help them. You only seem to get handouts if you are black, brown or red.
Well, maybe I'm color-blind but weren't the ones who got a bail out Rich, White business owners?(From the likes of the two major car companies, the wall street investors.)
woo fung poo

Camano Island, WA

#38 Mar 11, 2009
Up On The Hill wrote:
“my2sensefromalamogordo”, First, let me clarify that I was not calling you a bigot personally, I was referring to those that were plain rude and hostile towards Natives in general. Secondly, I never said Tribal governments were not without their flaws, I actually acknowledged that. In no way was I referring to the U.S. government’s lack-luster relations with Tribal governments as an excuse for corruption at the tribal level. As I stated, no government is perfect. Even at the city, county, and state levels. Finally, the “"we're a sovereign nation, we answer to no one" attitude is somewhat true. We are a politically sovereign people that are exempt from the taxes counties impose on food and what not. We have our own political system that only tribal members can hold a seat. If we were a truly sovereign nation, then we could do just about anything we wanted. Yet, that isn’t the case. We still pay taxes on the gaming compacts, we answer to the federal government and the state, much like another municipality. The laws that govern you also govern us. How is that sovereign?
The whole issue about sovereignty came from the treaties the U.S. government signed with the Native peoples of America. In these treaties the U.S. government acknowledged we were a nation of and to ourselves, with the right to govern its people as they seen fit. For many decades after the last treaty was signed, these Native tribes were pretty much forgotten and held on unsuitable land almost like prisoners of war. The early attempts at governing ourselves were not acknowledged, the corrupted B.I.A. spent money that was meant for the Tribe’s people, what suitable land there was, was sold to prospectors and ranchers for next to nothing. Native Americans were not granted citizenship until 1924 but many western states did not allow Natives to vote, New Mexico included. It wasn’t until 1948 that Natives could vote in New Mexico. The reason I brought this all up is to illustrate a point, even in the beginning we were not a sovereign nation. Today, we are slowly obtaining our rights as a nation.
Although we are a ‘nation within a nation’ we still are Americans. There are many fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, aunts, uncles, sisters, brothers who are serving in the military of our great nation. We are just as patriotic as any other red blooded American.
Coming back to the original issue, the help our tribe is receiving through H.U.D. will tremendously help many families on the reservation. There are still many families that have 6 – 12 people living in a 3-4 bedroom house. Perhaps, where the misunderstanding is coming from is the thought that these houses are “free” houses. That is not the truth. These families that are granted a home built with funds from H.U.D. still make monthly payments, much like a mortgage. So, these homes are not free.
Yes, civil debate can be productive and informative to those involved. However, debating in forums such as these leaves the door open to those that would cause animosity on both sides of any issue. To deny these people the right to voice their opinion goes against what we hold dear. But as we can see here, it only leads to hurt feelings and the ignorance to spread.
I take encouragement from your willingness to hear both sides of the debate. Hopefully, many people will be educated through these civil debates.
Kudos on your civility , But claiming sovergenity and in the next breath demanding rights and welfare is some what disingenious don't ya think ? Consider yourself gifted to have tribal rights , Many do not .
woo fung poo

Camano Island, WA

#39 Mar 11, 2009
Up On The Hill wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, maybe I'm color-blind but weren't the ones who got a bail out Rich, White business owners?(From the likes of the two major car companies, the wall street investors.)
I take civility back , You desire white mans money and way of life , Not sovereignty .
Mike is Right

United States

#40 Mar 12, 2009
WOW...u can buy a lot of chips and salsa with that!
my2sensefromalam ogordo

Albuquerque, NM

#41 Mar 12, 2009
Thanks for your response, Up on the Hill. It is a fact that education from differing points of view most often produces an intelligent, mature opinion. The only way to fight and defeat prejudice is by all parties listening to each other. Those that chose not to hear only continue the cycle of ignorance and shame. Thanks again, you gave me much to consider.
Up On The Hill

United States

#42 Mar 12, 2009
'Woo Fung Poo', if you were to read my statements correctly you'd see that I was showing a contrast between what real sovereignty is and what Tribes have. We only have a certain aspect of sovereignty.

As far as, "wanting white man's money and welfare" we are living in a country that depends on capitalism to survive. Therefore, it only goes to show that in order for a Tribe to survive during these times is to capitalize on what it can. Aside from casinos, many tribes have other enterprises that help promote jobs for its tribal members as well as those communities that surround the tribe. As far as 'welfare', we are only asking the U.S. Government to honor its promise it made while signing those treaties. Much like any agreement made between parties, both expect the other to honor the agreement.

Hopefully, in the near feature Tribes will be recognized as a legitimate place for opportunity. Aside from helping with jobs, many tribes have helped with donating charitable funds to many causes around the U.S. We give back just as much as we receive.
woo fung poo

Camano Island, WA

#43 Mar 12, 2009
Up On The Hill wrote:
'Woo Fung Poo', if you were to read my statements correctly you'd see that I was showing a contrast between what real sovereignty is and what Tribes have. We only have a certain aspect of sovereignty.
As far as, "wanting white man's money and welfare" we are living in a country that depends on capitalism to survive. Therefore, it only goes to show that in order for a Tribe to survive during these times is to capitalize on what it can. Aside from casinos, many tribes have other enterprises that help promote jobs for its tribal members as well as those communities that surround the tribe. As far as 'welfare', we are only asking the U.S. Government to honor its promise it made while signing those treaties. Much like any agreement made between parties, both expect the other to honor the agreement.
Hopefully, in the near feature Tribes will be recognized as a legitimate place for opportunity. Aside from helping with jobs, many tribes have helped with donating charitable funds to many causes around the U.S. We give back just as much as we receive.
Indeed representatives of the U.S. have made many promises to many people that have not been fulfilled , But promises made by long dead men are a burden upon the living , Equal but kinda separate with special rights still has some sort of oddity to it . Apparently capitalism is contagious to all .

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