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March to FLETC in support of undocumented immigrants planned in Artesia

There are 210 comments on the Carlsbad Current-Argus story from Aug 9, 2014, titled March to FLETC in support of undocumented immigrants planned in Artesia. In it, Carlsbad Current-Argus reports that:

Courtesy Photo Organizers hold a meeting to plan for the march to FLETC in support of the undocumented immigrants at a park in Artesia.

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Parnt

Carlsbad, NM

#116 Aug 15, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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No politician wants to p*ss off the Latino vote and that is the f*cking problem. While citizens and legal immigrants suffer, illegals gain all the benefits and lose nothing. Illegals using the ER as a clinic has forced California to close hospitals for non payment. Tell me how is this "fair" to legal immigrants and citizens that pay ,with our tax dollars, benefits that illegals receive but have not paid into?
Somon is gtting all of th mony w pay for hlth
insurans.
How about what you rlly pay for a mortgag?
If LA go s into th watr, mayb it ns a bath.
Politisians rlly hv powr?
Th man without a country.
Tribal

Sun City, CA

#117 Aug 15, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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18 trillions nothing to do with the illegal.
Infrastructure nothing to do with the illegal. That is a State and Federal task.
If it is adhesion to law, then talk to your politician. They approve laws and order the invasion of other nation States. Nobody wants your compassion. The Hispanic will crush the GOP in Nov. 2016. So talk to your Ohio to rescue the GOP!
So illegals come here for nothing? You fail to have an objective opinion. If the US is so bad why would they want to live under this government? Or why do you?

Since: Apr 10

Las Vegas, NV

#118 Aug 15, 2014
"It's a message that these (the undocumented immigrants) are people too, Jesus wants us to love everybody," said Gerard Escamilla, one of the organizers. "These people have nothing. They are the ones that need help the most."

This is a message these illegal aliens should be sending to their governments in the countries which they are citizens of. Not to a foreign government in a country which they have no right to be in.

Since: Apr 10

Las Vegas, NV

#119 Aug 15, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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No politician wants to p*ss off the Latino vote and that is the f*cking problem. While citizens and legal immigrants suffer, illegals gain all the benefits and lose nothing. Illegals using the ER as a clinic has forced California to close hospitals for non payment. Tell me how is this "fair" to legal immigrants and citizens that pay ,with our tax dollars, benefits that illegals receive but have not paid into?
The Latino (whatever that is) vote was 8.4% of the total vote in 2012, that was the popular vote which does not count. Politicians better worry about the 91.6% of the vote.

Obama does a amnesty and kills off any chance of democrats keeping the Senate. With the GOP holding the House and Senate i'am sure they can kill off any amnesty in Jan 2015.

“ORLANDO STRONG (ACT OF WAR)”

Since: May 11

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#120 Aug 16, 2014
Parnt wrote:
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Somon is gtting all of th mony w pay for hlth
insurans.
How about what you rlly pay for a mortgag?
If LA go s into th watr, mayb it ns a bath.
Politisians rlly hv powr?
Th man without a country.
English please!

“ORLANDO STRONG (ACT OF WAR)”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#121 Aug 16, 2014
spytheweb wrote:
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The Latino (whatever that is) vote was 8.4% of the total vote in 2012, that was the popular vote which does not count. Politicians better worry about the 91.6% of the vote.
Obama does a amnesty and kills off any chance of democrats keeping the Senate. With the GOP holding the House and Senate i'am sure they can kill off any amnesty in Jan 2015.
It may be only 8% of the popular vote but there are some states with a high number of electoral college votes that are at risk here, ie California , NY and Illinois which are gone, Texas which some want to turn blue, Florida which at this time goes from one party to the other,Colorado, NC just to name a few. If Democrats can turn these states blue that will guarantee them the White House for a generation, a generation that we really can't afford.
Guess Who

Sterling, CO

#122 Aug 16, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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English please!
His mouth is busy with something else. You know how it is when someone talks with their mouth full.
Laura

Hobbs, NM

#123 Aug 16, 2014
Guess Who wrote:
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His mouth is busy with something else. You know how it is when someone talks with their mouth full.
That person just does that to be funny and annoy others. Can you imagine the dull meaningless life he or she must have to put so much energy into posting like that! lol
Jsus

Carlsbad, NM

#124 Aug 16, 2014
Parnt wrote:
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Somon is gtting all of th mony w pay for hlth
insurans.
How about what you rlly pay for a mortgag?
If LA go s into th watr, mayb it ns a bath.
Politisians rlly hv powr?
Th man without a country.
Hey Forum! Bstd agin wit yr stup asin comnts!
LMFAO!!!!
STOMP AN ILLEGAL TODAY

Danbury, CT

#125 Aug 16, 2014
Jsus wrote:
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Hey Forum! Bstd agin wit yr stup asin comnts!
LMFAO!!!!
Take the dick out of your mouth and speak English.

“ORLANDO STRONG (ACT OF WAR)”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#127 Aug 16, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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All cost incurred by the illegal in the ER room are billed to the city/County where the hospital resides so they get paid. Those hospital closures are due to their obligations to the pension plans of their retiree and current workers. Nurses and workers get pay anyway regardless whether an illegal is in the ER or not. They get paid by time served not patient attended. If the hospital are telling you that they are closing because of the medicine/equipment/doctors/nur ses being used for attending the illegal, they are actually camouflaging their own finances errors (such as building a new campus or a new vascular/heart facility) with the illegal (an easy way to blame others who can't defend themselves).
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Please use the current available data on hospital and read more carefully before echoing somebody else's talking points.
Tell me where does the city, county or state get their money? Taxes ,fees ,fines permits etc,
Read this:

http://www.examiner.com/article/illegal-alien...
Tribal

Sun City, CA

#128 Aug 16, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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Tell me where does the city, county or state get their money? Taxes ,fees ,fines permits etc,
Read this:
http://www.examiner.com/article/illegal-alien...
In response to the article, that is crazy! Everyone should have the right to medical but people who are LEGAL.
According to "betrayed" illegals have no negative effect on Americas infrastructure and cost nothing to tax payers. lol
Just let them all in

Longboat Key, FL

#131 Aug 16, 2014
Next we will be bringing the refugees here from Iraq, feeding, clothing, & giving them housing while disregarding our country's homeless.

“ORLANDO STRONG (ACT OF WAR)”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#133 Aug 16, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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I read the article. The City, State and the Fed are refusing to pay those bills and the hospital is passing the cost to those who have insurances. This refusal action is a POLITICAL Action taken by the legislators (City or State) trying to make a point. This process and results also occur to hospitals that attend the uninsured poor in Mississippi and Louisiana. Noticed that the articles does not list what specifically is being charged or consumed when attending the uninsured illegal?
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If 77 hospitals have closed, then the State has figured out that they can live without those hospitals. These hospitals were training ground for the interns (recent college grads). Interns supervised by a real doctor (and doctors on call) run the Emergency rooms. Interns don't cost as much as doctors and Hospitals make money when the insured does routine visits with the specialists and/or receive surgical treatments or medical screening (MRI, CT, X-rays, etc.). A visit to the ER usually costs $3,000.00 if it is non-surgical.
Right now we are all paying for the medical treatment of the uninsured poor: 53 million people receive Medicaid and 55 million receive Medicare.
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The illegal does not alter the cost structure of hospitals nor they affect the payment relationship between hospitals, City/State/Fed, and insurances. The increase volume of uninsured people is perhaps overwhelming the hospital but Hospital parsed the ER patients based on severity and if they have insurance (those with insurance will get faster attention).
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Are those area where hospitals were close doing okay? What are they doing now when they have an emergency?
"Right now we are all paying for the medical treatment of the uninsured poor: 53 million people receive Medicaid and 55 million receive Medicare"
Illegals fit in that category too! You never answered the question on where does city, county and sates get their money. How much more do you want citizens to be taxed, fined, fee permitted to pay for illegals? Unlike the federal government ,states don't have a printing press to print money! That money has to come from somewhere and tell me how "fair "is it for citizens to pay for illegals healthcare?

“ORLANDO STRONG (ACT OF WAR)”

Since: May 11

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#134 Aug 16, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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This is why you need to be careful with the sensationalism of biased journalism. The US has averaged between 50 to 70 hospital closure from 1989 to present! See the links below. Listed below from 1987 to 1999. Hospitals are complaining that the Fed/States are setting the prices and not getting paid appropriately for Medicaid/medicare!!!! I think we live in bipolar world: You find data to fit your bias and I find data that fit my views.
1987 69
1988 88
1989 76
1990 56
1991 57
1992 50
1993 42
1994 16
1995 37
1996 37
1997 38
1998 43
1999 64
http://www.medpac.gov/documents/Jun12DataBook...
http://www.aha.org/research/reports/tw/chartb...
http://aharesourcecenter.wordpress.com/2013/0...
I will agree with you on one thing, WE can't agree on facts any more. We have always been a divided nation and I blame this president for dividing us on every demographic, racial, ethic, sexual orientation, have and have not's, rich,poor , religion, atheist, hair color and any other thing you can think of ONLY so he could stay in power.(I said power not in office)

“ORLANDO STRONG (ACT OF WAR)”

Since: May 11

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#137 Aug 16, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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I agree that the homosexual stuff was way over board and had Obama told the voters about his intentions of pushing the homo stuff, Mitt would have been our current President!
The perfect storm was the Republican base not happy with Romney and Obama using the IRS to stifle his political opposition. Had it been one or the other, Romney had the independents to win but he couldn't fight both. I hope the base that stayed home is happy with what they have done. I understand why Obama was elected in 2008 but I can make an argument about the legitimacy of his 2012 "so-called" re-election victory.

“ORLANDO STRONG (ACT OF WAR)”

Since: May 11

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#138 Aug 16, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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The government gets its money from taxpayer. But the Fed is buying bonds from the Treasury (money printing) so that distort the taxpayer as the only source of money. The money circulates from public to the public (commerce, lending, etc.), public to the government (taxes, fees, etc.), and government back to the public (subsidies, investments, lending, rescues, etc.), but there are distortions to the cycles. Debt (compounded lending) is one that can wreck confidence or speculation where exaggeration can trash the financial institutions (or real estate like in the 2007 storm).
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Ever since 1793 when the liquor tax was placed on the States (we traded one taxer 1,000 miles away (UK) for 1,000 taxers a few miles away: Fed/States/Cities/Counties) we will never control or lessen the tax rates and if we do, it will lead to severe distortions.
Government regulating the housing market is what caused the collapse in 2008. Government forced banks to lean money to people that could not pay it back. It started in the Carter WH and it took a while but it finally burst. Now that Wall Street in on the government welfare program with QE. Another bubble is being created that will burst. Wait until that re-adjustment hits! Does 1929 ring a bell?
Tribal

Sun City, CA

#139 Aug 16, 2014
betrayed wrote:
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The illegal has not effect on the cost structure of Hospitals. The illegal has not impact on the payment relationship between the hospitals, City/State/Fed, and insurances.
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The illegal adds to the volume of uninsured and may consume more medicines but this is no different from the uninsured poor in Biloxi, MS or Birmingham AL. Hospital do parse their patients based on severity and insurance!
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If they closed 77 hospital, what are those communities doing now for ER treatment? So I guess you don't have to worry now that the illegal has no place to go for treatment. So this is no never mind. And to those legislator in CA, if they are foregoing their obligation to pay, they will be held accountable for playing politics!
One of the adventists that closed in our county has pushed more traffic into the other hospital that has to pick up the slack. what other option do they have? So your telling me illegals don't get ANY Medical treatment while in the Country? So I guess the media and democracy now has lied to the public when they stated a detention center in New Mexico had a sick baby who needed more medical treatment then what the facility could provide so they took the baby to the ER? You are living in a bubble if you really believe illegals are here at no cost. lol

Since: Aug 11

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#140 Aug 17, 2014
how can anyone claim a need for illegal aliens here in ca? the drought has proven they are not here only to work. they stay and leech.

they cannot even claim to be migrant workers do to they do not migrate to were the work is,again they stay and leech.

time to cut off all the foolish handouts to these folks so they will leave.

the one thing good about this drought it has proven without room for doubt illegal aliens are not here to only work otherwise they would be leaving california.

it is said we will run out of water in 2 years unless enough rain. more people means it will be less than 2 years. with millions of illegal aliens in ca,getting them all to leave would be good for the environment as well as the economy. food banks are now taking from needy citizens and feeding illegal aliens who should not be here,this too proves they need top leave.
Parnt

El Paso, TX

#141 Aug 17, 2014
tomin cali wrote:
how can anyone claim a need for illegal aliens here in ca? the drought has proven they are not here only to work. they stay and leech.
they cannot even claim to be migrant workers do to they do not migrate to were the work is,again they stay and leech.
time to cut off all the foolish handouts to these folks so they will leave.
the one thing good about this drought it has proven without room for doubt illegal aliens are not here to only work otherwise they would be leaving california.
it is said we will run out of water in 2 years unless enough rain. more people means it will be less than 2 years. with millions of illegal aliens in ca,getting them all to leave would be good for the environment as well as the economy. food banks are now taking from needy citizens and feeding illegal aliens who should not be here,this too proves they need top leave.
Hl th worl , mak it a bttr pla .

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