Pearce talks forestry bill

Full story: Alamogordo Daily News

Congressman Steve Pearce tours some of the dense forest land in the Sacramento Mountains during a visit to the area Tuesday morning.
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Mark Wright

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The reason the owls moved over to the Mescalero Forest is simply because there, the Natives ARE "hunt and pluck" logging.

That of course opens up the forest floor, enables more water, some grass and more plant diversity which is a less "brittle" more healthy enviro.
( trees left, are MUCH healthier )

The Whole States of both NM and AZ need some REAL land management on both State and the Federal lands.

The "saving" of those lands to death which the govts pass off as supposed management, is now the root of a major desertification process which is drying out everything East of the Continental Divide and on for approx 400 miles E / NE.

10's of 1,000's of square miles in the W which need "hunt and pluck" logged, 1,000's of square miles of slash that needs burned and everything needs grazed.

1st trip thru on the grazing in most cases would be best with sheep and goats, then comped by cattle.

Just so much slash and old growth West of the Continental Divide "wicking" every last drop of water and evap from the usa weather formation pattern which moves W to E / NE that there's nothing left to form clouds, rain etc like there is supposed to be.

If the Feds were to lotto off 5 million acres of land annually for 100 years, they would still have 500,000,000 acres left.

Since private people tend to do what is BEST for the land AND the total economy, the usa Feds really need to simply get rid of a bunch of currently non managed dirt.
Michael Morris

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Odd these folks make it sound like there is demand for forest products such that all this work could go on. The MSO (Mexican Spotted Owl) restriction currently in place is seasonal and rather limited though it seems to get sold as a "closure". While I think the MSO management is rather foolish don't let Pearce and his loon buddies convince you that reconfiguring the owl is going to bring back an industry with little to no demand for its products.

Well, the Chinese are buying logs to ship to their mills.
downinthelowland s

Alamogordo, NM

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There is a demand for "pellets" to be shipped worldwide? LOL LOL LOL

And, how is Otero/Lincoln Counties going to "manage" approximately 800,000 acres -- with what -- Rardin and Pearce's good looks? Have you driven on Otero County streets? What about water lines? What about infrastructure where the masses live/reside -- and the watersheds...man, you've got so much to learn!

5,000 jobs right off the bat? What banks are going to provide "loans" for these small American businesses and their owners to get this off the ground? Are their credit scores at 800, business plan in place, people ready to work and have their equipment on line? Start tomorrow? LOL

How is this forest mis-managed? Demonstrate that Mr. Pearce. You do a disservice to all the employees, who attend higher-learning instituitions to achieve an understanding and put their theories to work, using Federal guidance/policy to keep the lands in a healthy state.

U have determined that these "feds" are basically, worthless! U wants votes -- keep insulting those that keep you and yours in the "bread and butter" way of life that allows you to insult Americans who are trying.

Are you sure you're for the people, by the people -- or are you for you and your pocketbook one more time?
Hemingway

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The mumbo jumbo economics of Congressman Pearce is appalling and nonsensical. He wants to open the National Forest system to logging. This is no answer to the problems of the timber industry faced with low price foreign competition.
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is such a bad joke. Always grandstanding and playing to ignorance while doing the Club for Growth's dirty work.
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Where do I start with this total article? Sanctaries for owls? lol the loss of 20,000 jobs? Mr. Pearce, Venable, and Rardin when you come up with facts, where are they based from. Since the beginning of the 20th century the mills around here closed and reopened prior to 1993. Thats when the owl was listed. Hmmmm, why did that happen? Maybe its because of the economics involved at that time. Economics dictates basically everything we do. Have you ever heard of NAFTA? I look at Lowe's and Home Depot, I see from Oregon and Canada. The above mentioned individuals come up with answers in a vaccum. Since the listing of the owl, the forest has implemented thousands of acres of mechanical thinning and burning. Took a look at their website. This was done by implementing principles of the MSO Recovery Plan. The recovery plan does not stop anything from happening. Take a look a the following link.

http://www.fws.gov/southwest/ES/Documents/R2E...

Its in there. There are restrictions, but treatments occur and are encouraged. The areas that the owls use are areas that have been cut in the past. Their not virgin forest, so where is all of this timber? I cant believe Mr. Rardin does not think that spotted owls occur on the forest? The Sacramentos on forest service property have a very large population of owls. The spotted owls use mixed conifer its multi story habitat, they have a hard time flying in that kind of habitat? Where is your experience or education to make such misguided statements?
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Pearce himself needs to be put not on the Endangered Species list, but the Extinct list. This guy needs to go.

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Reardin is an alarmist for sure. "He does not want to be the guy who killed our species!" What an alarmist. The second world war did not "kill" the species.
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New Mexican wrote:
Reardin is an alarmist for sure. "He does not want to be the guy who killed our species!" What an alarmist. The second world war did not "kill" the species.
Ronnie ain't no alarmist. He's just a plain od fashioned Grand Stander, gee it ain't even election time adn he's stumpin' again
Mark Wright

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Steve is on the right track.
To bad the bill does not include EVERYTHING in the West.

The Federal Govt ( and States too ) save their land to death.
They own most of the land too, especially in the West.

10's of 1,000's of square miles on the West side of the Continental Divide is terribly overgrown with "slash, over mature trees, brush etc..

Most the "slash" areas have 40,000 to 150,000 of those 2" dia. 20 ft tall spindles per acre.

Whole deal is a mess, and weather patterns in the usa are formed and move W to E / NE.

The whole deal desertifies moisture out before that ever has a chance to rise, form clouds and rain for a 400+ mile stretch on East of the Continental Divide.

This drys out E Colorado, W Kansas, W Tex, and has pretty much totally desertified the whole Eastern Half of New Mexico too.

Plenty of huge "slash" burns needed.
Everything needs "hunt and pluck" logged.
And everything needs grazed hard with sheep and goats, comped by cattle.

Interestingly folks noticed the spotted owl in this moved to the Mescalero Forests.
The reason for that is the Natives never stopped "hunt and pluck" logging there.

Thus that forest is wetter and more open ( good grass under the trees).
Also the Natives graze alot and burn underneath in the winter.
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Mark Wright wrote:
Steve is on the right track.
To bad the bill does not include EVERYTHING in the West.
The Federal Govt ( and States too ) save their land to death.
They own most of the land too, especially in the West.
10's of 1,000's of square miles on the West side of the Continental Divide is terribly overgrown with "slash, over mature trees, brush etc..
Most the "slash" areas have 40,000 to 150,000 of those 2" dia. 20 ft tall spindles per acre.
Whole deal is a mess, and weather patterns in the usa are formed and move W to E / NE.
The whole deal desertifies moisture out before that ever has a chance to rise, form clouds and rain for a 400+ mile stretch on East of the Continental Divide.
This drys out E Colorado, W Kansas, W Tex, and has pretty much totally desertified the whole Eastern Half of New Mexico too.
Plenty of huge "slash" burns needed.
Everything needs "hunt and pluck" logged.
And everything needs grazed hard with sheep and goats, comped by cattle.
Interestingly folks noticed the spotted owl in this moved to the Mescalero Forests.
The reason for that is the Natives never stopped "hunt and pluck" logging there.
Thus that forest is wetter and more open ( good grass under the trees).
Also the Natives graze alot and burn underneath in the winter.
The Forest Service has the majority of owls on the Sacramento's. Mechanical thinning and burning is occuring on the forest. Wow alot of activites occuring on the forest, and they use the spotted owl recovery plan. Looks like alot of things are happening, I see them burning, logging, grazing, hunting, camping, all along with managing the owl. This property is United States property. Please Mr. Pearce run for Senate again, so your out of here, and then lose like you did before.
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Ronnie the Rardin is a maroon and Pearce is a blow-heart! These two couldn't manage their collective way out of a wet paper sack!
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whatever wrote:
Ronnie the Rardin is a maroon and Pearce is a blow-heart! These two couldn't manage their collective way out of a wet paper sack!
I believe you wanted to say he is a moron, not a maroon!
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Drill baby drill!
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Sounds to me like a bunch of people who have convinced themselves of what they want to believe. What is the truth? The only thing I know for certain is that none of these politicians understand the relationships between the forest and the water and the forest and the owls. They aren't foresters. They aren't biologists. Just living in or near the forest doesn't make you an expert! The opinions expressed are just convenient ideas that have been expressed often enough that people have decided to just go ahead and believe them. Where is the science to justify the views that have been presented? Where is the truth free from political bias? We deserve to have our leaders make decisions based on objective evidence. Otherwise we are going to let them deceive themselves and us right along with them.
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Don't mexican spotted owls belong in Mexico? I say ship them all back along with the other Mexicans here illegally.
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Cactus Flower wrote:
<quoted text> I believe you wanted to say he is a moron, not a maroon!
Obviously you don't listen to Buggs
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Cactus Flower wrote:
<quoted text> I believe you wanted to say he is a moron, not a maroon!
Actually I meant maroon! One step below moron.
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John Smiff wrote:
Pearce himself needs to be put not on the Endangered Species list, but the Extinct list. This guy needs to go.
Pearce is grand standing for the people who put him in office and that is OK if he is able to get something done, but his job is bigger than grandstanding for us at home, It is for the Nation, cut taxes, reduce spending, stop giving money to countries who hate us, get the fed the hell out of the way of private business,get the fed out of states business.
If he does not address these issues between now and the next election then HE WILL BE ON THE NEXT ENDANGERED SPECIES LIST.
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whatever wrote:
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Actually I meant maroon! One step below moron.
But 1/2 step above imbecile

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