Mescalero eyes Forest Service land

Apr 26, 2013 Full story: Ruidoso News 28

Top officials with the Mescalero Apache Tribe are talking with U.S. Forest Service representatives and members of the area's congressional delegation about acquiring 868 federal acres to bring the remainder of Ski Apache into their reservation.

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Little Stinker

Alto, NM

#1 Apr 27, 2013
SO.. would that mean that the res would be responsible for maintaining the road that leads to there land then??? Or would the res build there own road to the area from the Mescalero side of the ski area?
Just In

Rio Rancho, NM

#2 Apr 27, 2013
I would like to know if the ski runs are set up over the most sacred parts of the mountain.I get confused sometimes.
Red Flag

Capitan, NM

#3 Apr 27, 2013
Most of the ski area is on public (forest service)land, only a small portion and one lift are on "non-sacred" reservation land. Important water issues would be only part of,mostly negative,ramifications! I believe this was attempted back in the late 60's without success.

OhBoy

Alto, NM

#4 Apr 27, 2013
They want everything given to them....
Wait

Ruidoso, NM

#5 Apr 28, 2013
Just think of the new casino that would spring up on the new tribal lands.

I am offended that Chino thinks they could have saved us from the little bear Fire. Using that to gain support is very low.

Good neighbor? Look at all the problems the tribal residents cause us with shoplifting, drunks, etc. Then they go back to the rez and we cant touch them.

Chino needs to get real.
RuiRes

Ruidoso, NM

#6 Apr 28, 2013
I'll fight, with quite strongly worded letters, against the land swap with Mescalero. It must remain in USFS hands until the State of New Mexico takes back her lands!
Here

Mescalero, NM

#7 Apr 28, 2013
RuiRes wrote:
I'll fight, with quite strongly worded letters, against the land swap with Mescalero. It must remain in USFS hands until the State of New Mexico takes back her lands!
Please explain how The government took the Apaches land and committed genocide on the Apache people first. It only became the governments land when it was taken from the Apaches. It was never New Mexico
ohboy

Alto, NM

#8 Apr 29, 2013
The government didn't commit ginocide on the Apache people. The Apache people just want to believe that everyone owes them. Someone may, but it's not the government. Broken down houses, starving animals and filth are just a few of the things you see on the APACHE lands. If the Apache people are so proud, why suck off the government you blame all your troubles on? When does that end? How much do you want given to you not to blame someone else? MERCY!!
Here

Gilbert, AZ

#9 Apr 29, 2013
So it's better to beg old mother Hubbard to stay and pay him off with taxes? The Tribes enterprises are what drives the economic train in this area and you judge the Tribe as a whole on the few who have broken down homes? There is far more of that in Lincoln county than Mescalero if you opened your eyes and drove some of the neighborhoods.

No handouts here, just fighting for what rightfully belongs to the Tribe.
Dude

Mescalero, NM

#11 Apr 30, 2013
Not2Fred wrote:
No matter what the deal USFS and that hack Pearce need to refrain from doing any new business with the violent felon Fred Chino. Taxpayers are now beginning to replenish the funds the Chino family embezzled to buy all those cars and toys. Wait until this mistake is purged before considering any such deal. On the bright side Fred's election did allow his sons to get out of the Ruidoso drug dealing business.
What funds would you be referring too? Where would he have embezzled money? People don't pay taxes on the Rez. However people do pay taxes and its legal to Hubbard.
Really

Mescalero, NM

#12 May 1, 2013
What do you mean - "People don't pay taxes on the Rez."? They pay Federal Income Tax. They pay a Tribal Tax (Gross Receipt Tax) on purchases at the tribal enterprises.
No Way

Ruidoso Downs, NM

#13 May 20, 2013
The tribe would not allow fire rescue last summer durning the worst fire, in terms of cost in New Mexico History. To get water out of their precious Mescalero Lake. While our homes burned to the ground!!! If they are allowed to have the remaining portion of the ski area, I guess we might as well burn our homes down. They will divert the water to the REZ and it's over for Ruidoso and area. Also they are attempting to put a mining operation together to mine on the REZ. What does a mining operation need.*********WATER**********
Oh my god..... really. Good by Ruidoso**no water for you. None, not any, even if you beg.
blame game

Ruidoso, NM

#14 May 20, 2013
No Way wrote:
The tribe would not allow fire rescue last summer durning the worst fire, in terms of cost in New Mexico History. To get water out of their precious Mescalero Lake. While our homes burned to the ground!!! If they are allowed to have the remaining portion of the ski area, I guess we might as well burn our homes down. They will divert the water to the REZ and it's over for Ruidoso and area. Also they are attempting to put a mining operation together to mine on the REZ. What does a mining operation need.*********WATER**********
Oh my god..... really. Good by Ruidoso**no water for you. None, not any, even if you beg.
Do not blame the indians for our misery and problems. Our own greed and the lack of leadership within government has doomed Ruidoso, not the indians.
No Way

Ruidoso Downs, NM

#15 May 20, 2013
I am not blaming the Indians. I think they prefer to be called "Native American or Indigenous Peoples". Indian's is so, say 1970. The Mescalero Tribe leased the Ski Area from the forest service back in the 70's. They knew, understood and accepted the terms of the lease. So WHAT'S UP are we now saying they didn't understand because of something that took place in the mid 1800's. Please don't disgrace them by dumbing them down. The answer should still be NO> And I am confident that it will be.
Remember when the Forest Service found a couple wells that the tribe drilled with out permit or authorization in the ski area a few years ago. I remember. Water, Water, Water and mining of precious minerals which they also want, go hand in hand. Next
No Way

Hobbs, NM

#16 Aug 1, 2013
Well I guess this conversation has ended. As far as the waters of The Ruidoso goes. That's just part of it. They also want the Ski Area so they can put a Casino up their. They have Gameing at the Elk's Lodge already at the Ski Area. They just want to triple the size of the gaming operation. So Just Say No--Or will we give this land away as we gave Lake Bonito away to Alamogordo..I believe we have all lived to regret that bad decision.
Huh

Ruidoso, NM

#17 Aug 2, 2013
We did not give Bonita Lake away. Alamogordo bought it from the Railroad. Ruidoso was a town of less than a thousand residents. Ruidoso bought Eagle creek rights from the Railroad as it was far more than enough for the town in 1956.
No Way

Ruidoso Downs, NM

#18 Aug 3, 2013
Ruidoso sold Bonito to Alamogordo back in the 60's. When I refer to giving it away, of course Ruidoso didn't give it away,it was sold for next to nothing. In effect giving it away. None the less, it was an aweful decision and Alamogordo will never sell it back to Ruidoso for any amount of money. They unlike Ruidoso had/have vision. Now I know it's not up to Ruidoso on the Ski Area, however land swaping or selling or giveing the Mescalero the part of the ski area that is on National Forest Land would once again lack Vision and hurt our community. Just so happens that the part of the ski area the Mescalero are makeing a play for. Is the part that DID NOT BURN, I ski, I know this as factual. Gaming/Gambleing and Water is what it is all about. I want somebody to give me something too. Give is good.
I agree

Ruidoso Downs, NM

#19 Aug 3, 2013
Who would be responsible for the road to the top then. Right now it's the states responsibility to pave it, snow plow it etc. If the ski area belonged to the tribe, would it then be the Mescalero's responsibility? Our would the tax payers still pick up the expense? Their are a lot of things to consider when considering this.
Huh

Ruidoso Downs, NM

#20 Aug 3, 2013
Ruidoso never had any ownership interest in Bonito Lake. That is an absolute fact. You are mistaken and filled with incorrect information like so many others on these blogs.
Huh

Ruidoso Downs, NM

#21 Aug 3, 2013
No Way wrote:
Ruidoso sold Bonito to Alamogordo back in the 60's. When I refer to giving it away, of course Ruidoso didn't give it away,it was sold for next to nothing. In effect giving it away. None the less, it was an aweful decision and Alamogordo will never sell it back to Ruidoso for any amount of money. They unlike Ruidoso had/have vision. Now I know it's not up to Ruidoso on the Ski Area, however land swaping or selling or giveing the Mescalero the part of the ski area that is on National Forest Land would once again lack Vision and hurt our community. Just so happens that the part of the ski area the Mescalero are makeing a play for. Is the part that DID NOT BURN, I ski, I know this as factual. Gaming/Gambleing and Water is what it is all about. I want somebody to give me something too. Give is good.
Actually most of what burned at the ski area is on forest service land, the part that they want ownership to. Very little of the ski area is on the reservation, chair 8 lift line and the area of apache bowl south of the lift. Everything else, 90%, is forest service land.

Your provide incorrect information again.Can you get anything right?

I do agree we should not allow the trade because there will be no oversight of lifts for safety, for one.

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