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Ohio fishermen may be billed for ice rescues | The Columbus Dis...

There are 39 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Dec 28, 2009, titled Ohio fishermen may be billed for ice rescues | The Columbus Dis.... In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

As Lake Erie begins to freeze, Ohio authorities are making some changes following last winter's stranding of 130 fishermen on an ice floe.

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Jon H

Columbus, OH

#1 Dec 28, 2009
Rightfully so.
Personal Responsibility

Columbus, OH

#2 Dec 28, 2009
Agree. Taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill for people who take ridiculous risks.
DeeKay

United States

#3 Dec 28, 2009
Amen.
Balls Deep

Columbus, OH

#4 Dec 28, 2009
Yay, what's next! Getting a bill from the fire department after your house goes up in flames?!
Bill this bill that

Kingsport, TN

#5 Dec 28, 2009
Don't call 911 for an emergency, it'll cost ya $1.99. The police will carry a VISA/MASTERCARD machine for when they check out that mysterious dark clothed person hanging in your neighborhood. Just a simple fee, unless they actually have to put their donut down and give chase.
The fire dept. will no longer be in the parade, unless they get their cash up front and are provided with a three course meal after the parade.
Jake

Loveland, OH

#6 Dec 28, 2009
Balls Deep wrote:
Yay, what's next! Getting a bill from the fire department after your house goes up in flames?!
In the case of the fisherman on the ice flow, they were told by the authorities not to go onto the ice, and they ignored the advice. At some point people need to be responsible for their own actions. These people not only cost the tax payers a lot of money, but they put rescuers at risk. You can't protect people from their own stupidity, but you can certainly make them responsible for it.
Personal Responsibility

Columbus, OH

#7 Dec 28, 2009
Don't you guys (Balls Deep and Bill this bill that) see the difference here? House fires and burglaries are not the same as someone who ignores warning signs and ventures out onto thin ice. Or someone who decides to risk their lives by climbing a mountain in poor weather conditions.
Bob

Buford, GA

#8 Dec 28, 2009
Personal Responsibility wrote:
Agree. Taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill for people who take ridiculous risks.
Why do we think this for such a few people while we reward bad behavior for just about everyone else. Why single out fishermen for a one time mistake but put others on the dole for life. I agree that people that take risks, like mt. climbers, should pay for rescues but why stop there. How much was TARP compared to this or why do we pay farmers not to grow crops ? How much is bad behavior by Chrysler giong to cost taxpayers ?
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AOL

#9 Dec 28, 2009
Balls Deep wrote:
Yay, what's next! Getting a bill from the fire department after your house goes up in flames?!
If YOU set on fire, yes.
Riveraux

Papeete, French Polynesia

#10 Dec 28, 2009
I was at Camp Perry last year when this happened.
NWS and local media were broadcasting warnings
early Friday morning on my way up. So, its not
like the people had over 24 hour advance warning
that this may happen.
Personal Responsibility

Columbus, OH

#11 Dec 28, 2009
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do we think this for such a few people while we reward bad behavior for just about everyone else. Why single out fishermen for a one time mistake but put others on the dole for life. I agree that people that take risks, like mt. climbers, should pay for rescues but why stop there. How much was TARP compared to this or why do we pay farmers not to grow crops ? How much is bad behavior by Chrysler giong to cost taxpayers ?
Well Bob, I agree 100% with you. I don't believe in taxpayer bailouts, or any of the rest of the government entitlement programs, but that's another discussion for another time. www.lpo.org
Mike

Pasadena, MD

#12 Dec 28, 2009
Yes Sir, this should be called the stupid tax. If you are stupid enough to go out there when told not to then you will be billed for saving your stupid
a s s .
Ohio Lawyer

Columbus, OH

#13 Dec 28, 2009
Balls Deep wrote:
Yay, what's next! Getting a bill from the fire department after your house goes up in flames?!
this is the equivalent of setting your house on fire. You go out on hazardous ice.... you assume risks.
Unbelievable

Monroe, LA

#14 Dec 28, 2009
AND if they don't pay up, just send them back on the ice flow??
It could be we're missing information, like if the fishermen were timely and accurately warned of the possibility of the ice breaking away (or was it the type of warning that you read on irons that say, do not use on clothing while wearing the clothes.)

If it's a specific warning - i.e. posted signs at normally accessible entrances to the lake then YES, have them pay.
Been there Done That

Bellevue, OH

#15 Dec 28, 2009
Actually, the amounts reported for this incident and incidents like it may be misleading. The amount listed that the Coast Guard spent includes the payroll/salary of the individuals who particiapted. Those individuals would have been paid whether they had been on routine patrol, rescuing stranded ice-fisherpersons, or back at their station doing routine maintenance.

Local agencies who respond to these sorts of events are very careful to attribute any and all expenditures during the period of time to the incident, so they can either seek supplemental authorizations to reimburse them for these expenditures or for pr purposes.

When I was on active duty, there was a child molester reported on base and the Army conducted a search for the individual to apprehend him. The local police from the town outside the gate later sent the Army a bill for $47,000 for their costs incurred during the incident (even though the pervert was a townie and the entire search/apprehension took place on base using military personnel). Their contribution? They parked a cruiser with one local officer at each of the two gates onto base for four hours even though the suspect was on foot trying to make his way through the wetlands/swamp that bordered the training ranges on the other side of post, some forty miles away.

The General sent back a handwritten note listing the pay for the 150 soldiers who had volunteered to help with a three day search for a missing teen the month prior. That was the last 'bill' they received from the town while I was there.

In case anyone's interested, the girl was found safe and the suspect was cornered and made the mistake of pulling a handgun on four MPs.
calreynolds9

AOL

#16 Dec 28, 2009
What about the charter services that take some of the fishermen out on rotten ice ?
justice

Columbus, OH

#17 Dec 28, 2009
Hooray! it is about time that they who use services pay for them. Our taxes should make the services but the people who use them should be billed for the costs they create.
I like smart fishermen and think the stupid ones should pay for being stupid. Problem is you cant fix stupid!
justice

Columbus, OH

#18 Dec 28, 2009
I wanna know if they caought any Walleye? If they were on the ice and catching fish then the risk was justified and a smart thing to do. If they were just drinking beer and caught no fish then they should pay big time. Its all about the fish.

“jimmy agler”

Since: Jul 09

grandview hts

#19 Dec 28, 2009
Balls Deep wrote:
Yay, what's next! Getting a bill from the fire department after your house goes up in flames?!
ask anyone who has ever gone ice fishing.the first rule os ALWAYS amke sure you are on thick enough ice.you test ice thickness every ten feet as you go out from the shore. rule number 2 is never assume the guy out there already did.
Wormley

United States

#20 Dec 28, 2009
Riveraux wrote:
I was at Camp Perry last year when this happened.
NWS and local media were broadcasting warnings
early Friday morning on my way up. So, its not
like the people had over 24 hour advance warning
that this may happen.
Sorry, but these people knew VERY WELL what they were doing and they knew the risks. Nobody just goes out onto Lake Erie ice without knowing the risks. When people take their boats out onto Lake Erie, they seek up-to-the-minute weather information "just in case." Ice fishing on Lake Erie is no different.

They knew the risks, and they calculated that they could get some fishing in anyway. And if the ice was too thin??? They knew they could just call 911 and let Uncle Sam rescue them, like countless people have done before.

And the result ???$265,000 that taxpayers have no choice but to pay.

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