Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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JOEL

Mumbai, India

#74622 Jun 22, 2014
THE ULTIMATE QUESTION:

"What is THAT by knowing which everything is known?"

- The Upanishads

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#74624 Jun 22, 2014
THE ONE & ITS BECOMING - PURE MONISM, PRINCIPLE OF CONSERVATION

"The Whole is all That. The Whole is all This. The Whole was born of the Whole. Taking the Whole from the Whole, what remains is the Whole."

CHHANDOGYA UPANISHAD.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#74625 Jun 22, 2014
ORIGIN

"By energism of Consciousness, Consciousness is massed; from that the worlds leading to Matter."


(Mundaka Upanishad I.1.8).
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74627 Jun 23, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Typical Hugh not being able to let go. Hugh can never be incorrect. He'll beat the dead horse forever just to wear you down and no have to acknowledge he was incorrect. And this is a case where it was not even a real error on his part. It was a scenario that he hadn't considered. He could have bowed out with a simple "I didn't think of that." or "I never knew that situation occurred."
Greetings to you functional vagina and to your counterparts.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74628 Jun 23, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
How is that wave-offering doing?
Don't think for a moment that we have forgotten about that. Thats a FACT.
Here is a fact, YOU and your rabbis have not taken any wave offering to the PRIESTS at the TEMPLE.

Much love my hypocritical friend.
Eric

Medinah, IL

#74629 Jun 23, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is a fact, YOU and your rabbis have not taken any wave offering to the PRIESTS at the TEMPLE.
Much love my hypocritical friend.
Where does it mention temple in Lev. 23?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74630 Jun 23, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Where does it mention temple in Lev. 23?
1. I have noted that you have inadvertently overlooked the PRIESTS part meaning that YOU have unwittingly overlooked the part where I said that the wave offering should be given to the PRIESTS. Note, NOT rabbis.

2. Your source is DEFICIENT as there are other passages that speak about wave offering.

3. When it speaks of the PRIESTS doing things BEFORE the Lord Almighty does it mean that the priests should do it in America, Jamaica, land of Manesseh, land of Naphtali, land of Reuben or in JERUSALEM and at the TEMPLE?

4. Where do PRIESTS perform their ROLES? Are the duties of PRIESTS performed at the TEMPLE in Jerusalem?

5 Where do you see that the wave offering belongs to anyone save the PRIESTS?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74631 Jun 23, 2014
later.
Eric

Medinah, IL

#74632 Jun 23, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>

Your source is DEFICIENT as there are other passages that speak about wave offering.
The wave offering earlier this month that Frijoles questioned you on is governed by Lev. 23.

In fact, when you first replied, you only questioned the issue of the Temple. Your question concerning Priests has only surfaced of late. This might be only the second time you have raised the question of Priests.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74633 Jun 23, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>The wave offering earlier this month that Frijoles questioned you on is governed by Lev. 23.
In fact, when you first replied, you only questioned the issue of the Temple. Your question concerning Priests has only surfaced of late. This might be only the second time you have raised the question of Priests.
Stop the self-stimulation and deal with the matters at hand. Try now.

When it speaks of the PRIESTS doing things BEFORE the Lord Almighty does it mean that the priests should do it in America, Jamaica, land of Manesseh, land of Naphtali, land of Reuben or in JERUSALEM and at the TEMPLE?

Where do PRIESTS perform their ROLES?

Are the duties of PRIESTS performed at the TEMPLE in Jerusalem?

Where do you see that the wave offering belongs to anyone save the PRIESTS?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#74634 Jun 23, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop the self-stimulation and deal with the matters at hand. Try now.
When it speaks of the PRIESTS doing things BEFORE the Lord Almighty does it mean that the priests should do it in America, Jamaica, land of Manesseh, land of Naphtali, land of Reuben or in JERUSALEM and at the TEMPLE?
Where do PRIESTS perform their ROLES?
Are the duties of PRIESTS performed at the TEMPLE in Jerusalem?
Where do you see that the wave offering belongs to anyone save the PRIESTS?
When you follow the commandment not to dress like a man, do you only do that in Jerusalem? Or in Jamaica as well?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74636 Jun 23, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
When you follow the commandment not to dress like a man, do you only do that in Jerusalem? Or in Jamaica as well?
Is THAT idiot really making such a STUPID comparison? It seems that Eric's bad "stick" have INJECTED even more stupidity into you than what was there before.

Lesson: The TEMPLE and the sacrifices were to be DONE in JERUSALEM or the place where God chose to put His name.

The dress code was applicable THROUGHOUT the ENTIRE land of Israel and outside of it.

HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74637 Jun 23, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
When you follow the commandment not to dress like a man, do you only do that in Jerusalem? Or in Jamaica as well?
Do your masters teach you anything? Do they know anything about the Tanakh?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#74638 Jun 23, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Is THAT idiot really making such a STUPID comparison? It seems that Eric's bad "stick" have INJECTED even more stupidity into you than what was there before.
Lesson: The TEMPLE and the sacrifices were to be DONE in JERUSALEM or the place where God chose to put His name.
The dress code was applicable THROUGHOUT the ENTIRE land of Israel and outside of it.
So you are personally DECIDING which mitzvot are to be performed WHERE?

Who died and made you G-d?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74639 Jun 23, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are personally DECIDING which mitzvot are to be performed WHERE?
Who died and made you G-d?
God made me your god. Besides, it is God Almighty that COMMANDED where the sacrifices were to be performed it was not lord HughBe.

Finally, any idiot knows that a great many of the commandments were applicable to the entire nation regardless of where they lived. So therefore, don't floc your neighbour's wife was operational in the land of Judah, in the land of Reuben etc. the sacrifices and the gathering for the feasts were a totally different thing.

Send your masters/rabbis to me so that they may get proper schooling. Why? they are the only credible sources for Judaists. So I shall instruct them and they in turn you.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#74640 Jun 23, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
God made me your god. Besides, it is God Almighty that COMMANDED where the sacrifices were to be performed it was not lord HughBe.
Finally, any idiot knows that a great many of the commandments were applicable to the entire nation regardless of where they lived. So therefore, don't floc your neighbour's wife was operational in the land of Judah, in the land of Reuben etc. the sacrifices and the gathering for the feasts were a totally different thing.
Send your masters/rabbis to me so that they may get proper schooling. Why? they are the only credible sources for Judaists. So I shall instruct them and they in turn you.
I am not any idiot. All I know is what I read. Nowhere in my text does it say that the negative commandments are particular to certain geographies. However, it is fair to interpret. But the question, by what AUTHORITY do you based YOUR interpretations on? Surely not the text. As it is not clear in many matters.

Thats the crux of my line of questioning towards you. You pick some commandments, you ignore others. Some you delegate to certain geographies, some you don't. Sometimes the text provides you hints, sometimes it doesnt. However, regardless, you are constantly claiming authority here with no consistent reasoning. That is ILLOGICAL. Making one wonder, who is the IDIOT here, you or me? I dont claim to omnipotent in those matters, but you do.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74641 Jun 23, 2014
Frijoles---I am not any idiot.

HughBe--- Correct, you are a special one.

Frijoles--- All I know is what I read.

HughBe--- Try reading the Tanakh and read with UNDERSTANDING.

Frijoles---Nowhere in my text does it say that the negative commandments are particular to certain geographies. However, it is fair to interpret.

HughBe--- Did I say otherwise? So don't floc your neighbour's wife is it limited to geography?

Frijoles---But the question, by what AUTHORITY do you based YOUR interpretations on? Surely not the text. As it is not clear in many matters.

HughBe--- I accept the plain words that are SURELY in the Tanakh and even those at the LOWEST point on the average intelligence scale can understand the plain words of scripture.

Frijoles---Thats the crux of my line of questioning towards you. You pick some commandments, you ignore others. Some you delegate to certain geographies, some you don't.

HughBe--- All BS

Frijoles---Sometimes the text provides you hints, sometimes it doesnt. However, regardless, you are constantly claiming authority here with no consistent reasoning. That is ILLOGICAL.

HughBe----When the words could NOT be simpler I don't seek to reason them out. I accept them just the way they are.

Take your time and give your INTERPRETATION to the following plain words. Reason them out Einstein.

"These are the decrees and laws you must be careful to follow in the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors, has given you to possess—as long as you live in the land.....
you are to seek the PLACE the Lord your God will CHOOSE FROM among ALL your tribes to put his Name there for his dwelling. To THAT PLACE place you must GO there bring your burnt offerings and SACRIFICES, your tithes and special gifts, what you have vowed to give and your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks."

Frijoles---Making one wonder, who is the IDIOT here, you or me? I dont claim to omnipotent in those matters, but you do.

HughBe--- Who is or are the IDIOTS ? ALL who are in your state.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74642 Jun 23, 2014
Dr. Flocer, see you later.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#74643 Jun 23, 2014
HughBe wrote:
HughBe--- I accept the plain words that are SURELY in the Tanakh and even those at the LOWEST point on the average intelligence scale can understand the plain words of scripture.
Frijoles---Thats the crux of my line of questioning towards you. You pick some commandments, you ignore others. Some you delegate to certain geographies, some you don't.
HughBe--- All BS
Frijoles---Sometimes the text provides you hints, sometimes it doesnt. However, regardless, you are constantly claiming authority here with no consistent reasoning. That is ILLOGICAL.
HughBe----When the words could NOT be simpler I don't seek to reason them out. I accept them just the way they are.
Take your time and give your INTERPRETATION to the following plain words. Reason them out Einstein.
"These are the decrees and laws you must be careful to follow in the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors, has given you to possess—as long as you live in the land.....
you are to seek the PLACE the Lord your God will CHOOSE FROM among ALL your tribes to put his Name there for his dwelling. To THAT PLACE place you must GO there bring your burnt offerings and SACRIFICES, your tithes and special gifts, what you have vowed to give and your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks."
Frijoles---Making one wonder, who is the IDIOT here, you or me? I dont claim to omnipotent in those matters, but you do.
HughBe--- Who is or are the IDIOTS ? ALL who are in your state.
Sorry I dont do bastardized translations in English. When you know what it says int he actual language, maybe I will grace you with my conversation.

Hows that wave offering doing?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#74644 Jun 23, 2014
HughBe wrote:
Frijoles---Nowhere in my text does it say that the negative commandments are particular to certain geographies. However, it is fair to interpret.
HughBe--- Did I say otherwise? So don't floc your neighbour's wife is it limited to geography?
.
Thats the point. You make ASSUMPTIONS. So, the question, is why can YOU make assumptions, but you will not respect the assumptions of others (such as the rabbis of the Talmudic period).

Who made you the lord only?

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