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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL COOL DUDE

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#74146 Jun 5, 2014
MUST READ:

ISRAEL'S AGGRESSIVE SPYING IN THE US MOSTLY HUSHED UP

By Jeff Stein

Filed: 5/8/14 at 10:50 AM | Updated: 5/8/14 at 11:17 AM

As Newsweek reported on Tuesday, American counter-intelligence officials told members of the House Judiciary and Foreign Affairs committees at the end of January that Israel's current espionage activities in America are "unrivaled and unseemly," going far beyond the activities of other close allies, such as Germany, France, the U.K. and Japan.

Beginning in the mid-1990s, well after Israel promised to stop spying in the U.S. in the wake of the Pollard affair, the FBI regularly felt compelled to summon Israeli diplomats in D.C. for a scolding, two former top counterintelligence officials told Newsweek. During the decade following 9/11, one said, the Israelis were summoned “dozens” of times and told to “cut the shit,” as one, a former top FBI official, put it. But as an “ally,” the Israelis almost always got off with only a warning.

But no matter how stern the FBI’s lecture – usually delivered personally to the embassy’s senior intelligence representative – the Israelis were unmoved, another former top intelligence official said.“You can't embarrass an Israeli,” he said.“It’s just impossible to embarrass them. You catch them red-handed, and they shrug and say,'Okay now, anything else?'”

Always lurking, former intelligence officials say, was the powerful “Israeli lobby,” the network of Israel’s friends in Congress, industry and successive administrations, Republican and Democratic, ready to protest any perceived slight on the part of U.S. security officials. A former counterintelligence specialist told Newsweek he risked Israel’s wrath merely by providing routine security briefings to American officials, businessmen and scientists heading to Israel for meetings and conferences.

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JOEL COOL DUDE

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But the danger is real, he and other former U.S. intelligence officials familiar with Israel’s methods say. Israeli agents “go after senior U.S. Navy officers on shore leave in Haifa, after space industry officials, or scientists with intellectual property, anywhere. This has always been a huge concern for the community.”

In the States, Israeli officials and businessmen are forever trying to lure attractive American targets to visit Israel. Representatives of Maf’at, an administrative body that yokes the Israel Defense Ministry to its military industries, give U.S. counterintelligence agencies great concern, one of the former U.S. intelligence officials said. "They were the ones that really caused us a lot of concern. Because they had a plausible reason to attend all these conferences and defense contracting facilities and whatnot. It was a great cover vehicle for industrial espionage,” he said.

“I remember speaking to one U.S. scientist who was at a conference and being worked by a group from [Israel],” the former U.S. intelligence operative continued.“And this scientist, who was savvy enough to recognize what she saw, said it was really unbelievable how the elicitation techniques were being used – the invitations to come over – basically getting the data dump from a fellow scientist. And the naïveté on the part of the American scientists was really striking. We saw this all the time.”

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#74148 Jun 5, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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So 60% practice vaginal sex?:D
Oh, don't go by those highly selective and mostly cooked up statistics when the reality is that most gays, somewhere like 90 percent or more, freely indulge in anal sex.

There' re very powerful lobbies at work that are attempting to cover up the abnormality of homosexuality by convincing everyone, including bringing pressure on the psychiatry community, to stamp the unnatural sexual orientation as normal and these powerful lobbies, like say the gun lobby or the tobacco lobby, have gone and are going to great extents to make this abnormal sexual orientation appear normal.

Certain prominent psychiatrists have revealed the game plan of these influential lobbies of forcing their opinions on others.

I will direct you to certain very revealing articles/interviews of these psychiatrists who air their views on homosexuality being a mental disease and how the stigma associated with it was progressively erased by these powerful lobbies by bringing pressure on the medical fraternity to condone it.
Eric

Lombard, IL

#74149 Jun 5, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Oh, don't go by those highly selective and mostly cooked up statistics when the reality is that most gays, somewhere like 90 percent or more, freely indulge in anal sex.
Citation please

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#74150 Jun 5, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>

Citation please
Cooked up stats always have citations in most fields, whereas the real facts are usually left out in the cold or are hidden from public view but at times there are leaks by certain well-meaning experts....

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#74151 Jun 5, 2014
MORE ON THE ABNORMALITY OF GAY SEX

- The Health Risks of Gay Sex -

JOHN R. DIGGS, JR., M.D.

1) Anal intercourse is the sine qua non of sex for many gay men.22 Yet human physiology makes it clear that the body was not designed to accommodate this activity. The rectum is significantly different from the vagina with regard to suitability for penetration by a penis. The vagina has natural lubricants and is supported by a network of muscles. It is composed of a mucus membrane with a multi-layer stratified squamous epithelium that allows it to endure friction without damage and to resist the immunological actions caused by semen and sperm. In comparison, the anus is a delicate mechanism of small muscles that comprise an "exit-only" passage. With repeated trauma, friction and stretching, the sphincter loses its tone and its ability to maintain a tight seal.

2) An extensive study in the Netherlands undermines the assumption that homophobia is the cause of increased psychiatric illness among gays and lesbians. The Dutch have been considerably more accepting of same-sex relationships than other Western countries — in fact, same-sex couples now have the legal right to marry in the Netherlands.76 So a high rate of psychiatric disease associated with homosexual behavior in the Netherlands means that the psychiatric disease cannot so easily be attributed to social rejection and homophobia.

The Dutch study, published in the Archives of General Psychiatry, did indeed find a high rate of psychiatric disease associated with same-sex sex.77 Compared to controls who had no homosexual experience in the 12 months prior to the interview, males who had any homosexual contact within that time period were much more likely to experience major depression, bipolar disorder, panic disorder, agoraphobia and obsessive compulsive disorder. Females with any homosexual contact within the previous 12 months were more often diagnosed with major depression, social phobia or alcohol dependence. In fact, those with a history of homosexual contact had higher rates of nearly all psychiatric pathologies measured in the study.78 The researchers found "that homosexuality is not only associated with mental health problems during adolescence and early adulthood, as has been suggested, but also in later life."79 Researchers actually fear that methodological features of "the study might underestimate the differences between homosexual and heterosexual people."80

The Dutch researchers concluded, "this study offers evidence that homosexuality is associated with a higher prevalence of psychiatric disorders. The outcomes are in line with findings from earlier studies in which less rigorous designs have been employed."81 The researchers offered no opinion as to whether homosexual behavior causes psychiatric disorders, or whether it is the result of psychiatric disorders.

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yehoshooah adam

“Here again in The Torah”

Since: Nov 13

Denver Colorado 80218

#74152 Jun 5, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
MUST READ:
ISRAEL'S AGGRESSIVE SPYING IN THE US MOSTLY HUSHED UP
By Jeff Stein
Filed: 5/8/14 at 10:50 AM | Updated: 5/8/14 at 11:17 AM
As Newsweek reported on Tuesday, American counter-intelligence officials told members of the House Judiciary and Foreign Affairs committees at the end of January that Israel's current espionage activities in America are "unrivaled and unseemly," going far beyond the activities of other close allies, such as Germany, France, the U.K. and Japan.
Beginning in the mid-1990s, well after Israel promised to stop spying in the U.S. in the wake of the Pollard affair, the FBI regularly felt compelled to summon Israeli diplomats in D.C. for a scolding, two former top counterintelligence officials told Newsweek. During the decade following 9/11, one said, the Israelis were summoned “dozens” of times and told to “cut the shit,” as one, a former top FBI official, put it. But as an “ally,” the Israelis almost always got off with only a warning.
But no matter how stern the FBI’s lecture – usually delivered personally to the embassy’s senior intelligence representative – the Israelis were unmoved, another former top intelligence official said.“You can't embarrass an Israeli,” he said.“It’s just impossible to embarrass them. You catch them red-handed, and they shrug and say,'Okay now, anything else?'”
Always lurking, former intelligence officials say, was the powerful “Israeli lobby,” the network of Israel’s friends in Congress, industry and successive administrations, Republican and Democratic, ready to protest any perceived slight on the part of U.S. security officials. A former counterintelligence specialist told Newsweek he risked Israel’s wrath merely by providing routine security briefings to American officials, businessmen and scientists heading to Israel for meetings and conferences.
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rabbee: yeah! so what? you do not believe in The G-D, WHO says your all getting hell for your disbelief here in The Torah again. so i do not care what set of a pack of lies you choose to use. hell is command by G-D, to THEIR enemies. and it does not make any difference, if your a lying jew, lying christian, lying muslim or lying yogurt. this whole world and their grandmother are nothing but a pack of lies, mentally denouncing our physical presence here in The Torah again. with so far nothing different, being commanded to happen for this whole lying disgusting untrue world and their grandmother again.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74154 Jun 5, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Numb Testicles,
Exactly the type of response expected from you.
Ok, you got me. 40% of homosexuals practice anal sex and the other 60% do a Billy thing.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74155 Jun 5, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Numb Testicles,
I told you, it's a minority like other minorities.
I think you can read between those lines.
Cite your exact words and give post #.

Nonetheless, homosexuality remains an ABNORMAL activity be it in nature or among your fellowmen.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74156 Jun 5, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Numb Testicles
It doesn't change the question. Did you bring a wave offering today?
My intention was not to change the question but to LIGHTEN your darkness.

Do you think that you are equipped to debate this point with me rabbi?

Go for it.

Finally, I am the Temple.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74157 Jun 5, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are you making light of one of God's commandment? This is serious business, it is in the book that you purport to revere.
Why do you not understand my words? Is it because you have no connection to God?
Eric

Lombard, IL

#74158 Jun 5, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Cite your exact words and give post #.
Nonetheless, homosexuality remains an ABNORMAL activity be it in nature or among your fellowmen.
10% of the world population is gay. 10% of the world population is of a race that officially begins with an "n" but the best that can be posted on Topix is "of African descent". Both are minorities.
Eric

Lombard, IL

#74159 Jun 5, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
My intention was not to change the question but to LIGHTEN your darkness.
Do you think that you are equipped to debate this point with me rabbi?
Go for it.
Finally, I am the Temple.
I don't care where your temple is. The question is whether you made a wave offering.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74160 Jun 5, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, don't go by those highly selective and mostly cooked up statistics when the reality is that most gays, somewhere like 90 percent or more, freely indulge in anal sex.
There' re very powerful lobbies at work that are attempting to cover up the abnormality of homosexuality by convincing everyone, including bringing pressure on the psychiatry community, to stamp the unnatural sexual orientation as normal and these powerful lobbies, like say the gun lobby or the tobacco lobby, have gone and are going to great extents to make this abnormal sexual orientation appear normal.
Certain prominent psychiatrists have revealed the game plan of these influential lobbies of forcing their opinions on others.
I will direct you to certain very revealing articles/interviews of these psychiatrists who air their views on homosexuality being a mental disease and how the stigma associated with it was progressively erased by these powerful lobbies by bringing pressure on the medical fraternity to condone it.
What else would make them gay? I love some men e.g. sons, friends, father etc and have affection for males on this forum but does that make me gay? NO.

Those fellows are GAY because they want to FLOC the rear orifices of other men.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74161 Jun 5, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>10% of the world population is gay. 10% of the world population is of a race that officially begins with an "n" but the best that can be posted on Topix is "of African descent". Both are minorities.
Minority does not mean ABNORMALITY. Now YOU not being in the minority with respect to HIGH intelligence would not know this.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74162 Jun 5, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>I don't care where your temple is. The question is whether you made a wave offering.
Son, here is your lesson for the day. To OBEY is BETTER than sacrifice. Why not try OBEDIENCE today.

Here is a START. "Ye shall NOT add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."

Have YOU supported ADDITIONS to the COMMANDMENTS?
Eric

Lombard, IL

#74163 Jun 5, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
What else would make them gay? I love some men e.g. sons, friends, father etc and have affection for males on this forum but does that make me gay? NO.
Those fellows are GAY because they want to FLOC the rear orifices of other men.
Are you really that naive? I can't believe that you are really that naive and don't know what the other 60% practice.

Did you read the article I cited? What did it say about the other 60%?
Eric

Lombard, IL

#74164 Jun 5, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Minority does not mean ABNORMALITY.
Exactly my point.
Eric

Lombard, IL

#74165 Jun 5, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
Cooked up stats always have citations in most fields, whereas the real facts are usually left out in the cold or are hidden from public view but at times there are leaks by certain well-meaning experts....
Another words you pulled it out of your tush. And remember you said doing stuff with your tush is ABNORMAL.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74166 Jun 5, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>10% of the world population is gay. 10% of the world population is of a race that officially begins with an "n" but the best that can be posted on Topix is "of African descent". Both are minorities.
1. Officially?

2. What does the % say to you?

3. Do you really want to explore percentages some more?

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