Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Since: May 12

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#70853 Apr 3, 2014
former res wrote:
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Thank you. Good information. I would like to return again one day.
I think that Europeans travel more than Americans do especially internationally so it doesn't surprise me that you have been to more places here than I have been over there.
I have heard and read that Florence is the place for art and culture.
I will take your advice in Venice and try to pay a fair price for a boat ride. Did you see the same boats at the big Venetian Casino Hotel in Las Vegas?
Our hotel in Rome was the (in Italian) the Hotel of the Spanish Steps, at the top of the Spanish Steps to the right. A small hotel right across from a larger, fancy hotel. A friendly fellow named Fabio works there and is very helpful to the guests. Say hello to him for me.
About the Venetian we were told about it and we went to see it. Nice reproduction of Venezia. Though we haven't taken a ride.

I think the name of the roman hotel you have been to is called Scalinata di Spagna. The right translation in English is Flight of Steps of Spain. So, basically you had the Fontana della Barcaccia of Bernini that I told you in the other post, right in front of your hotel.
Abolish The Fed

Newark, NJ

#70854 Apr 3, 2014
former res wrote:
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I still need to know why you believe the Constitutions does not apply to you before we can go and further with this.
Do you believe that ANY laws apply to you?
Why or why not? Seriously.
Did I tell you what I believe?

I ask you for the facts that the constitution is applicable to me or anyone else.
We can get to laws as soon as you provide facts that the constitution applies, or you just tell me that you have no facts.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70855 Apr 3, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Not Land Rights, but they are eligible for citizenship under the "Law of Return"
HughBe---Also, are you saying that such CONVERTS in Jamaica have land rights in Israel?

Frijoles---Not Land Rights, but they are eligible for citizenship under the "Law of Return"

HughBe--- it is good to see that you have researched the matter. However, the CONVERTS are JEWS and so are you saying to me that ALL the rabbis and the Government of Israel can deprive ANY Jew of rights to land which God Almighty gave to him or her? That is what it means. Pass on the revelation.

Mightier are your rabbis than their God.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70856 Apr 3, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Arab is an ethnicity not a religion. Jew is both.
However, there are Arab tribes you could be converted into (i.e. accepted into).
Let me simplify the conversation for you and Adam.

Adam is saying that Jews are born and others can become Jews. In addition he is saying that Arabs are born BUT others cannot become Arabs. Why? I want both of you to explain this HIGH thinking.

Lesson 1: Arabs are more an ethnic group than Jews. Why? A far greater percentage of Arabs subscribe to a COMMON religion called Islam than do Jews to any religion. Recall almost more than 50 % of Jews are SECULAR.

Lesson 2: The Jewish people or God's FIRST born were almost NEVER an ethno-religious people as is FALSELY asserted by you and others.

Let us see--

A) For over 400 years prior to the exodus they did NOT worship God Almighty and NEVER had the WAY of God. Ethno-religious BS proven to be just that.

B) The Tribe of Dan was involved in IDOLATRY for over 360 years AFTER the exodus. They do NOT qualify as being ethno-religious unless the religion is PAGANISM.

C) The two captivities PROVE that this ethno-relogious argument is BS.

D) The DESTRUCTION of the TEMPLE also PROVES the ethno-religious BS to be a LIE. Do you and your rabbis FEEL that Jews were ethno-religious and so God "rewarded" it by DESTROYING THE TEMPLE?

E) The almost 2000 years away from their God-given land PROVES the ethno-religious BS to be a LIE.

F) Today more than 50% of Jews are NOT religious. Heck, Jamaicans are FAR more ethno-religious than them. Most Jamaicans are Christians regardless of where they live. Most Jamaicans LIVE by the Jamaican culture even if they are at the North or South poles and they do so FREELY and WILLINGLY. Note, Jamaicans in question include: whites, blacks, Jews, Indians, Chinese etc.

PS: Take the time to meditate upon these truths and teach your masters them.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70857 Apr 3, 2014
it=them
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70858 Apr 3, 2014
A)Hear O Israel--- " And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,

4 And said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people; and will GIVE this LAND to thy SEED(physical DESCENDANTS or FAMILY) after thee for an everlasting possession.

B)For the simple and also for the DISHONEST, note.

"Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given NO SEED: and, lo, one born in my house( member of household) is mine heir.

4 And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall NOT be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine OWN bowels shall be thine HEIR.

5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy SEED seed be."

C)What did Abram mean when he spoke about not having received SEED from God? Is it converts or adopted children? Remember Abram had control over his house and they did what he wanted. Read and learn.

"For I know him( Abraham), that he will command his children and his HOUSEHOLD after him, and they shall KEEP the WAY of the Lord" Genesis 18:19

So one born in his household would have been a CONVERT to Abraham's religion BASED ON THE WORDS OF GOD BUT WAS NOT ABRAHAM'S SEED or FAMILY.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70859 Apr 3, 2014
bi boys.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70860 Apr 3, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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About the Venetian we were told about it and we went to see it. Nice reproduction of Venezia. Though we haven't taken a ride.
I think the name of the roman hotel you have been to is called Scalinata di Spagna. The right translation in English is Flight of Steps of Spain. So, basically you had the Fontana della Barcaccia of Bernini that I told you in the other post, right in front of your hotel.
Yes, that is the one. And hotel Hassler right across the way has a very good restaurant up top frequented by Silvio Berlusconi . We went once and it was very good/

Also Paris Hilton was there for something once and caused a big traffic jam. Evidently she was dating someone connected with the race car scene over there.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70861 Apr 3, 2014
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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Did I tell you what I believe?
I ask you for the facts that the constitution is applicable to me or anyone else.
We can get to laws as soon as you provide facts that the constitution applies, or you just tell me that you have no facts.
Well I guess that's it then.

I've told you what information I need from you in order for us to proceed.

It seems we're finished here.

Have a good one.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#70862 Apr 4, 2014
ERROR OF JUDGEMENT

Researchers in parapsychology make a colossal mistake in attempting to test out psi phenomena using ordinary people. Ordinary people live in the ordinary consciousness and so their capacity to manifest paranormal powers or to affect ordinary events like coin tossing, wavefront collapse and random number generators or becoming aware when stared at from behind and indulging in telepathy and so on is feeble and is commensurate to the degree of the ordinary consciousness-force they manifest in all their activities.

Another huge mistake they make is to assume that sorcerers like Chandra Swami or the numerous smooth talking godmen like the Dalai Lama and the late J Krishnamurti they come across are yogis.

Such errors of judgment yield poor or questionable results.

What they fail to understand is that a genuine mystic's heightened consciousness-energy field usually shrinks when put in the company of crass materialistic surroundings and even if the yogi can maintain his exalted consciousness/energy in the midst of gross materialists he would in most cases feel a natural aversion to communicating with them and would leave the place without so much as saying a word.

These days there exist just a handful of the genuine great yogis with almost all of them seeking refuge in the Himalayas or in the dense forest of the Narmada, while the last of the genuine great yogis who were accessible to the general public were Sri Aurobindo and his Jewish spiritual collaborator, the Mother.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#70863 Apr 4, 2014
LIVING ABOVE THE MIND

The higher yogis live in a state of consciousness that exceeds the level of the mind plane and so they find it disturbing to come down to the level of the mind to communicate with the common herd (scientists included) whose questions and talks are always of a dualistic kind or based on crude inferences or concerned with sensual pleasures or with hedonism.

Rare is the yogi was has brought down a degree of the supramental consciousness-force into his mind, emotions, body, circumconscient, subconscient and inconscient with the motive of transforming them by infusing into these lower planes of consciousness-force the power, knowledge, plasticity, light, peace, transcendence and bliss of the supramental planes.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#70866 Apr 4, 2014
typo

Rare is the yogi WHO has brought down

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#70867 Apr 4, 2014
An old friend, Aryan, is here.

Since: May 12

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#70868 Apr 4, 2014
So?

Since: Aug 11

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#70869 Apr 4, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Is it true that southern Italians have that same habit in U.S. as well?
Absolutely. It's an obsession.

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

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#70870 Apr 4, 2014
HughBe--- Understand, in the real world naturalization makes one a RESIDENT of a particular country and so help me with your parallel and tell me where do these CONVERTS live? Which country do they live in? Do they live in ISRAEL?
Hint: where does a naturalized American live?

They are part of the Jewish Nation no matter where they live.

HughBe--- First, what are they converting to? Are they converting to the nation or to the religion JUDAISM?

Both

Also, are you saying that such CONVERTS in Jamaica have land rights in Israel?
Tell me about the land rights in ISRAEL of converts from ALL over the world.

They have none other than a right to return and live in the land of Israel

HughBe--- Such a statement is what makes me know that people at your level follow others blindly.

Your ignorance exceeds your hubris

Lesson: When a person becomes a naturalized citizen of the US the person LIVES in the US and this is completely OPPOSITE to what obtains in your naturalization process that you absurdly claim "makes JEWS like every OTHER nation on EARTH".
In the context ,see lesson, tell me where on EARTH is the nation JEWS ? I can find Jamaica and the US etc so help me with the nation called JEWS. Recall YOU said, "naturalization process is what makes Jews like every other nation on earth"

Lesson: Jews are a Nation with a homeland in the land of Israel. Are the Cherokees a Nation? Are the Roma a Nation ? Are the Kurds a Nation. Some Nations have no states.

Enjoy...http://en.wikipedia.or g/wiki/Stateless_nation

Will you learn your lesson? I doubt it.

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

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#70871 Apr 4, 2014
HughBe wrote:
So one born in his household would have been a CONVERT to Abraham's religion BASED ON THE WORDS OF GOD BUT WAS NOT ABRAHAM'S SEED or FAMILY.
Who was King David's great-grandmother?
goergebenast

Pittsburgh, PA

#70872 Apr 4, 2014

Israel is the Turd,the Pig of the World..Israel needs Bombed

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

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#70873 Apr 4, 2014
goergebenast wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =x-FCwNNPwoYXX
Israel is the Turd,the Pig of the World..Israel needs Bombed
Have you always been an antisemite?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#70874 Apr 4, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
Lesson: Jews are a Nation with a homeland in the land of Israel. Are the Cherokees a Nation? Are the Roma a Nation ? Are the Kurds a Nation. Some Nations have no states.
Enjoy...http://en.wikipedia.or g/wiki/Stateless_nation
Will you learn your lesson? I doubt it.
Not that it isnt entertaining to reply back to Hughbe in earnest, on some level it doesnt matter how you reply. He will still rant his strange opinions regardless.

I cant tell you the number of times myself and others have told him that Jews are both practitioners of a religion and an ethnic group.(Ethnoreligious group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoreligious_g... ).

But yet he still expectorates.

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