Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70636 Apr 1, 2014
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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Yes but those with peanut allergies don't run around telling everyone how bad peanuts are and how unrealistic peanut eating is. And ask them to prove that peanuts taste great.
And lobby government to ban peanut eating on public property.
where have you been?

There was case in Milford last year where some lady wanted the city to let her chop down all the trees on her property because they were "nut producers". It ended up in court.

And schools are now MILITANT about preventing PBJs on campus.

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#70637 Apr 1, 2014
former res wrote:
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The 'good deed' were my words, not hers - just an expression.
She's a Harvard grad and I'm sure had all the appropriate counseling and guidance. Sure she knew what she was doing. We never discussed exactly why she did it. So no insight there. But just know she's a smart chick. And happily married now with kids.
The guy was a dxck anyway. Bygones.
But is she still Jewish?

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#70638 Apr 1, 2014
former res wrote:
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What you call prayer I might call meditation.
What do you see as the difference if any?
mindfullness is a meditation practice

contemplation is a form of prayer that is also considered by many as meditation

Prayer itself isnt just in the form of petition. Its also can be in the forms of acknowledgement, and praise. At least that's how its approached in Judaism.

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#70639 Apr 1, 2014
former res wrote:
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If I didn't know better I'd say you were missing the point on purpose.
In my example, their words (and resume) were petty much all you had to go on.
You interview 3 potential nanny's but only one sees a pink elephant (that you don't see).
She might still get the job if she ACTS normal? Seriously. Nice try.
If she is telling me she sees a pink elephant, then she is NOT acting normally. So I would ding her on basis of her behavior. If she told me that God talks to her and tells her what to to do, I would not hire her (I might think that personally that this is an interesting lifestyle, but not for my kids). If she said she sees God in everything she does, then I might hire her (but keep an eye on her). That's relatively normal.

I am not sure where you are coming from. But its also a question of what type of values one wants to expose to their children. I dont value the pink elephant religion. I might value other forms of religion though. I have nothing against Christianity, or Christian nannys, provided it is kept within acceptable bounds.

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#70640 Apr 1, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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So, an ant is HaShem, a lump of shit is HaShem, a worm is HaShem, a whore is HaShem, a criminal is HaShem and in general the entire cosmos is the HaShem in manifestation and a sage can say, "I am HaShem" after uniting in consciousness-force with HaShem.
So, observant Jews should worship who has united in consciousness with HaShem.
I wonder if Moses, Abraham or Elijah, on uniting with HaShem in consciousness-force, ever said: " I am HaShem, worship me."
LOL.
Whatever.

Google devekut sometime.

Your lack of familiarity with forms of Judaism is not surprising to any of us here. For all the time you waste with pathetic attempts of satire, you could actually be researching where you have gone wrong.

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#70641 Apr 1, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
NON-DUALISM is NOT a part of JUDAISM.
LMAO.
You sound like Hughbe now, telling us what Jews are, and believe in.

Besides from arrogant, you are obviously wrong.

Google Hasidism and devekut, for a start.

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#70642 Apr 1, 2014
The pentuple stages of the psychic process:

1) Contemplation,

2) Concentration,

3) Meditation using the mantra on an appropriate spot of the central nervous system or on a spot above the head where the superior gradations of the consciousness-force are stationed,

4) Trance and

5) Stasis.
former res

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#70643 Apr 1, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
CORRECTION:
Bottom line: There are many ways to arrive to be atheist.
Disagree. Simply an absence of belief.

More like many ways to become a believer.

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#70644 Apr 1, 2014
DESCENT SAFER THAN ASCENT

It's safer to open up to the dynamic descent into the nervous system of the higher planes of the consciousness-force that lie above the head than to awaken the consciousness-force that lies dormant in its force dimension at the base of the spine thereby causing it to ascend up the nervous system.
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#70645 Apr 1, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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I don't see how atheism could be considered a null hypothesis.
Atheism, in gross lines is defined as the denying of the existence of gods. It per se is a position.
Atheism denies whereas Theism affirms the existence of god. I don't see them as a starting point. Both rappresent a conclusion.
Agnosticism is already a conclusion rather than a starting point, so I discard that as well.
One person should be extraneous to any position and through rationalization/investigation arrive to the conclusion.
When I say atheist, I mean agnostic-atheist (or simply agnostic)- one who admits it's all unknown and (for now) unknowable. He does not state there is no god. That guy would be a gnostic atheist.

So why do you call agnosticism a conclusion?

He says "I see no evidence of god" therefore I take no position either way. I'm a fence sitter.

I learned all this Catholic theology growing up and finally asked how we know any of it is true.

The response was, "Fatih." That's where I got off the bus.
former res

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#70646 Apr 1, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Definitions and labels get messy because their use has changed over time, and so not everyone is on the same page with them.
From a pragmatic standpoint, what we refer to as agnostic atheists is essentially what you describe in your last sentence - "One person should be extraneous to any position and through rationalization/investigation arrive to the conclusion."
In essence, agnostic atheists don't deny the existence of deities, but rather, withhold belief until such time as credible evidence is provided to them. In this pragmatic approach, the default, then, is non-belief. I believe this is what Former was referring to when he said null-hypothesis.
Thanks. If anyone would understand, it would be you!

(I should have read ahead, as usual..)
JOEL

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#70647 Apr 1, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Besides from arrogant, you are obviously wrong.

Google Hasidism and devekut, for a start.
I haven't found a trace of nondualism - complete union via trance of the object with the subject - in Hasidism and Devekut.

If the practice found in Hasidism and Devekut culminates in the experience of nondualism, then the experiencer (sage) should become one with G-d in that state of the deepest trance.

Does Hasidism and Devekut say that the nondual experience results in perfect union in consciousness with HaShem after which the sage can stand up and declare, "I am HaShem"? No!

To declare, "I am HaShem" is a blasphemy in any variant of Judaism.

So, Judaism, in any of its variants, is stuck on the lowly level of dualism.

LOL.

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#70648 Apr 1, 2014
Hasidism and Devekut can be considered nondual in nature only if the experiencer (sage) can declare "I am HaShem" after experiencing via trance a perfect union in consciousness of the individual self with the self of HaShem.

Such is not the case with Hasidism and Devekut.

In fact, it would be considered blasphemous to say, "I am HaShem" whether or not one experiences the nondual union with HaShem.

LOL

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#70649 Apr 1, 2014
BOTTOM LINE:

To declare "I am HaShem" is a blasphemy in any variant of Judaism.
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#70650 Apr 1, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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But is she still Jewish?
I think so but I'm not sure. She lives in Europe.

I know I mentioned this but many years ago my wife conducted a sort of "comparative religion" review (as my dad told me he did as a young adult).

Both searching I suppose.... My wife concluded that Judaism was possibly the most reasonable of the ones she looked at. She thought the extra leap the Christians made in the story was a bridge too far. She wasn't raised in any particular religion. She doesn't follow any religion but I thought it was interesting anyway.

My dad OTOH was an altar boy as a kid. He said "All the miracles occurred in the Catholic church." Let's just say, I was too young at the time to counter that with explaining the "self-reporting" "confirmation bias" etc.....He was born in 1926 and wasn't about to leave the church he was born into. Regardless of what his review showed him.

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#70651 Apr 1, 2014
Judaism is stuck on the inferior level of dualism.

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#70652 Apr 1, 2014
former res wrote:
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I learned all this Catholic theology growing up and finally asked how we know any of it is true.
The response was, "Fatih." That's where I got off the bus.
Fatih? Special Catholic war cry?

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#70653 Apr 1, 2014
Dualism is superseded by qualified nondualism and qualified nondualism is exceeded by nondualism.

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#70654 Apr 1, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
BOTTOM LINE:
To declare "I am HaShem" is a blasphemy in any variant of Judaism.
Unless you are prophesying, which is a state of devekut

So you are wrong, again.

shocking, shocking, shocking...

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#70655 Apr 1, 2014
Devekut is a discipline that teaches closeness to G-d but in no way does it preach becoming G-d via the union in consciousness in deep trance of the subject with the object. Devekut does not teach that a human psychic can become G-d. For a human being to declare, "I am G-d" is a blasphemy in Judaism.

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