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# Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL THUMBS UP

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#59535 Oct 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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I have excellent math skills
Why haven't you attempted the simple math/arithmetic problems despite claiming to be good in Math?

What kind of Math are you good at?

A businessman claiming to be "excellent" in Math and who does his own accounting should find the following Math questions real easy.

1) CP = Cost Price, SP = Selling Price

If the CP of 10 pens = SP of 12 pens, is a profit or a loss made in the transaction? Calculate the percent profit or percent loss.

(show all the working steps)

2) Find the sum of the series to n terms

243 + 324 + 432 +.......n

3) A dealer offers a scheme - he sells one chocolate for \$ 1 and says that for every empty wrapper returned a free chocolate would be given. A boy has \$ 15 with him. How many chocolates can he have in all if he participates in the above scheme?

(show all the working steps)

4) If the amount made in the 3rd year on an investment is \$ 8 millions and if the amount made the following year is \$ 8.5 millions, find the interest and the investment in \$ if the rate of interest is 10% pa, interest being compounded annually.

(show all the working steps)

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#59536 Oct 4, 2013
HughBe wrote:
1. Nobody can get me to quiver i.e. outside of a threat to my life.
I'm sorry to hear that your sex life isn't all that. Perhaps you're playing for the wrong team.
HughBe wrote:
2. Is your Christian Senator regarded as the GREATEST sage even by his congregants?
To many conservative, the answer is Yes. Just recently, another famous senator, Ted Cruz (who is greatly responsible for the current government shutdown), couldn't stop gushing about him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/11/ted-...
HughBe wrote:
3. He is a nobody when compared to Yosef who CHANGED the religious and political life in Israel.
So you keep saying, but the numbers don't support that assertion. But then again, when have you ever let facts ever get in the way of a good argument?
HughBe wrote:
Has your Christian Senator CHANGED the religious and political life in the US?
Yes. If you read my posts and did your homework on Jesse Helms or some of the other influential evangelicals I called out, you would have known that. Now take your fingers out of your ears and go do your homework.
HughBe wrote:
4. The obsession with Yosef is yours.
How so? You are the one that keeps mentioning him. I never even heard of the guy before you mentioned him. It's hard to be obsessed with someone I've never heard of nor do I give a rat's ass about because he has zero influence on my way of life.
HughBe wrote:
History shows that I have used others in support of my point. YOU have chosen to focus on Yosef and have sought to DIMINISH his significance in Israel and Judaism. Shame on you, COR.
I honestly don't care how "significant" this man is in Israel. He is a peon as far as I'm concerned, and far less relevant than Jesse Helms or any of a dozen American Christian Evangelicals who have influenced far grater numbers of people.
HughBe wrote:
5. When I called your Christian man a nobody was I being anti-Christian?
You would be anti-Christian if you used Jesse Helms' words and held it against those who practice Christianity, like you use Yosef's words and hold it against those who practice Judaism. But because of your hypocrisy, your blanket condemnations are one-sided.
HughBe wrote:
6. What is it that I have said about Yosef that makes me anti-semitic? Memory tells me that what I have done was to quote him and in your mind that makes me anti-semitic. That BS will not work with me.
Don't be foolish. It's not what you say about Yosef that makes you anti-semitic. It's your tendency to use his words to cast blanket aspersions against all who practice Judaism. That's called "making generalizations". Good, honest people to frown against that.
HughBe wrote:
What if I had called Yosef a NOBODY as I did your Christian Senator man, what would you have called me?
Again, your opinion of an individual is meaningless to me. It's when you use an individual's words to make unjustified generalizations that makes you anti-semitic. Why can't you go practice your own religion in peace and leave the Jews or others alone to practice as they see fit?
HughBe wrote:
7. I find that you have used the word anti-semitic in a TOTALLY DISHONEST and in my mind a CRIMINAL way.
Only because you're blinded by your bias. I'm neither Jewish nor Religious. I have no skin in this game other than a desire to see people treated fairly. You, sir, are far from being objective on this matter.
#59537 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
A gallstone is a crystalline concretion formed within the gallbladder by accretion of bile components...
rabbee: bile has nothing to do with, the formation of, kidney, or gall stones. the most common substance in gall and kidney stones is calcium oxalate build up. and least common is uric acid, cysteine, and struvite from infections. people who eat, foods rich in oxalic acid. should increase, their water intake. because of the low solubility, of calcium oxalate.
#59538 Oct 4, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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I'm sorry to hear that your sex life isn't all that. Perhaps you're playing for the wrong team.
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To many conservative, the answer is Yes. Just recently, another famous senator, Ted Cruz (who is greatly responsible for the current government shutdown), couldn't stop gushing about him.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/11/ted-...
<quoted text>
So you keep saying, but the numbers don't support that assertion. But then again, when have you ever let facts ever get in the way of a good argument?
<quoted text>
Yes. If you read my posts and did your homework on Jesse Helms or some of the other influential evangelicals I called out, you would have known that. Now take your fingers out of your ears and go do your homework.
<quoted text>
How so? You are the one that keeps mentioning him. I never even heard of the guy before you mentioned him. It's hard to be obsessed with someone I've never heard of nor do I give a rat's ass about because he has zero influence on my way of life.
<quoted text>
I honestly don't care how "significant" this man is in Israel. He is a peon as far as I'm concerned, and far less relevant than Jesse Helms or any of a dozen American Christian Evangelicals who have influenced far grater numbers of people.
<quoted text>
You would be anti-Christian if you used Jesse Helms' words and held it against those who practice Christianity, like you use Yosef's words and hold it against those who practice Judaism. But because of your hypocrisy, your blanket condemnations are one-sided.
<quoted text>
Don't be foolish. It's not what you say about Yosef that makes you anti-semitic. It's your tendency to use his words to cast blanket aspersions against all who practice Judaism. That's called "making generalizations". Good, honest people to frown against that.
<quoted text>
Again, your opinion of an individual is meaningless to me. It's when you use an individual's words to make unjustified generalizations that makes you anti-semitic. Why can't you go practice your own religion in peace and leave the Jews or others alone to practice as they see fit?
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Only because you're blinded by your bias. I'm neither Jewish nor Religious. I have no skin in this game other than a desire to see people treated fairly. You, sir, are far from being objective on this matter.
rabbee: if you both regard greatness, with respect to hasatan, baal hamolech, and halooseefer. then you have a warped sense of greatness. calling the evil bad good, does not make them any good.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59539 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Ok, but to control pain why use something like morphine that reacts adversely with certain chemical substances to produce poisons and besides it could be addictive.
We should insist on safer alternatives.
100% agreement on me for that. I had to argue with the nurse to NOT receive it. Thats wrong on a few levels.

OTOH I dont know anything about Gall Stones, but Kidney Stones are probably the most painful incident on earth (imagine sticking a sharp knife into your back into your kidneys AND THEN turning it) so I can totally understand the need for something strong and quick (if needed)(in my case my pain passed before I had the opportunity for morphine).

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59540 Oct 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
It is still unclear whether this was a normal checkpoint yesterday or one that was set up due to the drill the capitol police were running;
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More amused by the copters flying over our part of town last night and this morning just because the woman happen to live near by.
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#59542 Oct 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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More amused by the copters flying over our part of town last night and this morning just because the woman happen to live near by.
I saw the copters hovering yesterday. I thought maybe it was an accident on 95. I'm sure our resident conspiracy theorist thought it was "Capricorn One" come to life.
Voluntarist

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#59543 Oct 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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100% agreement on me for that. I had to argue with the nurse to NOT receive it. Thats wrong on a few levels.
OTOH I dont know anything about Gall Stones, but Kidney Stones are probably the most painful incident on earth (imagine sticking a sharp knife into your back into your kidneys AND THEN turning it) so I can totally understand the need for something strong and quick (if needed)(in my case my pain passed before I had the opportunity for morphine).
Kidney stones are caused by a calcium deficiency.
Voluntarist

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#59544 Oct 4, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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I saw the copters hovering yesterday. I thought maybe it was an accident on 95. I'm sure our resident conspiracy theorist thought it was "Capricorn One" come to life.
I dont "reside" anywhere, I object to your legal determination
Voluntarist

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#59546 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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If you're into retail selling underwear, bricks, veggies, meat and condoms from a tiny shop then well forget about high profit margins.
Retail involves a lot of hard work, patience, long hours and small profits unless it's a well established retail business like say Marks and Spencer, Benetton or Saks.
The small Mom and Pop stores are passe, examples in subsistence business and require low investments, non-specialized skills and yield low returns - just sufficient to make 2 ends meet after a lot of labor, as you said earlier.
Man should attract opportunities and money towards himself instead of chasing these and it's a tragedy when despite the hard chase he ends up in loss making ventures or gets stuck in low return businesses.
Well, anyway, each to his own.
Be happy - this is very important.
Yes that is true for most retail businesses but this business was highly profitable with no competition

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#59547 Oct 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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I dont "reside" anywhere, I object to your legal determination
Hmmm...What makes you think I was talking about you?

PS - You still haven't answered my post regarding the Affordable Care Act.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#59548 Oct 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Kidney stones are caused by a calcium deficiency.
You mean that kidney stones are caused by an accumulation of calcium oxalate in the organ.

Kidney stones usually comprised of a compound called calcium oxalate, are the result of an accumulation of dissolved minerals on the inner lining of the kidneys. These deposits can grow to the size of a golf ball while maintaining a sharp, crystalline structure.

So, obviously, it means an excess of Ca^2+ ions that bond with oxalate anions C204^2- or (COO)2*2- form kidney stones.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#59549 Oct 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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100% agreement on me for that. I had to argue with the nurse to NOT receive it. Thats wrong on a few levels.

OTOH I dont know anything about Gall Stones, but Kidney Stones are probably the most painful incident on earth (imagine sticking a sharp knife into your back into your kidneys AND THEN turning it) so I can totally understand the need for something strong and quick (if needed)(in my case my pain passed before I had the opportunity for morphine).
Ok, right.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#59550 Oct 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Yes that is true for most retail businesses but this business was highly profitable with no competition.
If so then why did 3 of your previous small businesses fail if the profits were "high" as you claim?

I don't know what retailing you do but obviously it's similar to a boring Mom and Pop store.

Anyway, go forward and do well in business and do good to all including yourself.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59551 Oct 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Kidney stones are caused by a calcium deficiency.
very WRONG. I have MUCH research and experience in this matter. You cant snow me on this one.

There are several types of stones with several differnt etiologies. The one common thread is the need to drink more water.

For oxalate, the most common, drinking citrate is good as well (lemon) for prevention. Also, there is some evidence that Green Tea assists in the formation of a crystal with more rounded edges which might help in the long run.

Once they form and obstruct you are sht out of luck.

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#59552 Oct 4, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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I saw the copters hovering yesterday. I thought maybe it was an accident on 95. I'm sure our resident conspiracy theorist thought it was "Capricorn One" come to life.
She lived in Woodside Green, of all places. I almost rented there years ago. My former webmaster, now a pornographer, lived there as well. They are really nice units - high ceilings, great location, interesting neighbors (lol)

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#59553 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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You mean that kidney stones are caused by an accumulation of calcium oxalate in the organ.
Kidney stones usually comprised of a compound called calcium oxalate, are the result of an accumulation of dissolved minerals on the inner lining of the kidneys. These deposits can grow to the size of a golf ball while maintaining a sharp, crystalline structure.
So, obviously, it means an excess of Ca^2+ ions that bond with oxalate anions C204^2- or (COO)2*2- form kidney stones.
They is research where they grow these things in the lab. But basically, the human physiology is more complicated, and the formation depends on what is in solution to keep them in solution as much as the actual elements. Plus there are several types of stones.

Stay away from Rhubarb and spinach - they have 100x more oxalate than other foods.

K stones suck. I have had several of them, and each time I ended up in the ER.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#59554 Oct 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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They is research where they grow these things in the lab.

But basically, the human physiology is more complicated, and the formation depends on what is in solution to keep them in solution as much as the actual elements.
Yeah, the formation of CaC2O4 (calcium oxalate) crystals in solution reminds me a lot of crystals forming from a hot supersaturated solution that is in the cooling stage.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#59555 Oct 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Plus there are several types of stones.
I guess the kidney stones with rounded edges would be less painful since rounded stones would occupy less surface area thus making it easier for them to pass out through the urinary system via the excreted urine. Besides, rounded stones means less pain as sharp projections are absent or minimal.

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