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Since: Aug 11

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#58328 Sep 18, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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So what you are saying is that they dont practice what they preach?
When was the last time a Jew preached that blasphemers should be executed? I don't recall any Jew preaching that in modern times. You forget that, unlike most Christians, Jews don't necessarily take their scriptures literally.
Voluntarist

United States

#58329 Sep 18, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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When was the last time a Jew preached that blasphemers should be executed? I don't recall any Jew preaching that in modern times. You forget that, unlike most Christians, Jews don't necessarily take their scriptures literally.
So they pick and choose which phrases out of the book they want to follow

Since: May 13

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#58330 Sep 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

BS - you do judge

and it kills you that we ignore you
I find your response very immature.

You're not getting my point.

I love having no-holds barred debates or free conversations with everyone where nothing is a holy cow and where everything is open for approval or rebuttal.

I hold no brief for any religion/cult, nation, community, scripture, G-d/God, prophet, saint, scientist, lifestyle or individual - everything is open to scrutiny in an objective and a fair manner as is possible.

I don't seek to offend but to lay bare certain facts, good or bad.

I am evolutionary, not static.

My love and attachment for you remain unchanged even in the midst of bitter criticism.

I don't mix personal likes with fair and free debates and am open to anyone who wishes to communicate.

I don't ignore or blacklist anyone for his views or personal attacks as the case may be.

It's petty and inferior people who hold grudges, form cliques, ignore people, get angry with detractors, get jealous of superior personalities, or fume and fret when trounced in debate.

In this matter, I commend Hugh for holding no grudges even when insult and criticism are heaped upon him relentlessly. He responds with humor or acerbity depending on the context but is always quick to console or praise his opponent when he gets an opportunity. He is quite a magnanimous person inspite of his evident drawbacks.



At times, I deliberately tease or offend someone who has a thin limit of tolerance simply to test his poise but at the same time I have all the goodwill in my heart for the person concerned and will go out of my way to extend help of need be and if he so desires.

You see, dearest Papa, life is too short to hold grudges or to boycott anyone.

It's best if people cultivate fairness, equanimity, secularism and objectivity and learn to take praise and criticism with an equal mind.

Wishing you the very best in life.
Eric

Roselle, IL

#58331 Sep 18, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Hypocrite!
In the third book of the Torah , Leviticus 24:16 states that he that
blasphemes the name of the LORD "shall surely be put to death".
See also List of capital crimes in the Torah. The Seven laws of Noah,
which Judaism sees as applicable to all people, prohibit blasphemy.
.

Big difference. The above talks about G-d which the Muslims would call Allah. The death pronouncement under discussion is for ridicule of Muhammad and not of Allah. You will find no death pronouncement pertaining to the ridicule of any prophet in the Torah.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#58332 Sep 18, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
So they pick and choose which phrases out of the book they want to follow
The Jews do not understand the prophetic books and a lot of them do not believe in a Messiah at all. If they do believe in Messiah, they don't understand that this person is God incarnate. The scriptures are very clear about this and it goes as far back as Moses that God will dwell on earth. That was the purpose of the construction of the Temple, a house for God. Earth is called "the land of the living" in the scriptures and God will take up residence here permanently.

Since: Aug 11

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#58333 Sep 18, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
So they pick and choose which phrases out of the book they want to follow
Isn't that pretty much how every religion works?
danetoo

London, UK

#58334 Sep 18, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The Jews do not understand the prophetic books and a lot of them do not believe in a Messiah at all. If they do believe in Messiah, they don't understand that this person is God incarnate. The scriptures are very clear about this and it goes as far back as Moses that God will dwell on earth. That was the purpose of the construction of the Temple, a house for God. Earth is called "the land of the living" in the scriptures and God will take up residence here permanently.
do you think she might pass through West London ?

If so, I will bake my special cake and make a cuppa tea ...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#58335 Sep 18, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
So they pick and choose which phrases out of the book they want to follow
Newflash to you? Come now.

actually, to more accurate, we look for adaptations. We have an entire Code of Law that is a lot thicker than what you call the Old Testament that involves discussion and adaptation.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#58336 Sep 18, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>.
Big difference. The above talks about G-d which the Muslims would call Allah. The death pronouncement under discussion is for ridicule of Muhammad and not of Allah. You will find no death pronouncement pertaining to the ridicule of any prophet in the Torah.
I did raise that point earlier to MUQ I think

But more importantly - what is the penalty for satirizing G-d in a written work? Not death, certainly.

Since: Aug 13

East Hartford, CT

#58337 Sep 18, 2013
[QUOTE
[/QUOTE]I am so tired of hearing the jews whine about being persecuted. it seems to me that they just don't get along with others no matter where they go. They expect sympathy from all others but do nothing to earn it. The israelis are always using "THE HOLOCAUST as leverage to get sympathy & help from the U.S. & other countries all the while they are bringing a holocaust down upon the Palistinians in Gaza. They posess nuclear weapons but won't join the nuclear non proliferation treaty ; even Iran & North Korea joined (although N. Korea has since left. Syria said they have chemical weapons as a deterrant to Israels nukes so if the US & the UN make Syria give up its chemical weapons then Israel must give up its nukes & chemical weapons. Not a big fan of israel; with a friend like them we don't need any enemies.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#58338 Sep 18, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>
I find your response very immature.
You're not getting my point.
I love having no-holds barred debates or free conversations with everyone where nothing is a holy cow and where everything is open for approval or rebuttal.
I hold no brief for any religion/cult, nation, community, scripture, G-d/God, prophet, saint, scientist, lifestyle or individual - everything is open to scrutiny in an objective and a fair manner as is possible.
I don't seek to offend but to lay bare certain facts, good or bad.
I am evolutionary, not static.
My love and attachment for you remain unchanged even in the midst of bitter criticism.
I don't mix personal likes with fair and free debates and am open to anyone who wishes to communicate.
I don't ignore or blacklist anyone for his views or personal attacks as the case may be.
It's petty and inferior people who hold grudges, form cliques, ignore people, get angry with detractors, get jealous of superior personalities, or fume and fret when trounced in debate.
In this matter, I commend Hugh for holding no grudges even when insult and criticism are heaped upon him relentlessly. He responds with humor or acerbity depending on the context but is always quick to console or praise his opponent when he gets an opportunity. He is quite a magnanimous person inspite of his evident drawbacks.
At times, I deliberately tease or offend someone who has a thin limit of tolerance simply to test his poise but at the same time I have all the goodwill in my heart for the person concerned and will go out of my way to extend help of need be and if he so desires.
You see, dearest Papa, life is too short to hold grudges or to boycott anyone.
It's best if people cultivate fairness, equanimity, secularism and objectivity and learn to take praise and criticism with an equal mind.
Wishing you the very best in life.
You are a megalomaniac, and your posts reflect as such. You enjoy "debate" but only within the foundation that you assert. The problem being , of course, is that your foundation is full of mistruths. And this is despite repeated attempts to correct.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#58339 Sep 18, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>

In this matter, I commend Hugh for holding no grudges even when insult and criticism are heaped upon him relentlessly. He responds with humor or acerbity depending on the context but is always quick to console or praise his opponent when he gets an opportunity. He is quite a magnanimous person inspite of his evident drawbacks.
which are many....

Hughbe has an evangelical agenda. All correspondence with him is ultimately a waste of time.
Voluntarist

United States

#58341 Sep 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Newflash to you? Come now.
actually, to more accurate, we look for adaptations. We have an entire Code of Law that is a lot thicker than what you call the Old Testament that involves discussion and adaptation.
Do you follow mosaic law? Or you pick and choose which law to follow.
Can members of your citizens society pick and choose which ordinances to follow?
Voluntarist

United States

#58342 Sep 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, my antenna is generally not tuned to the paranoia end of the spectrum. I forget I have to retune whenever I speak with you so as to understand you better.
Saying that municipalities are fictitious entities is paranoid?
Voluntarist

United States

#58343 Sep 18, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't that pretty much how every religion works?
Belief in religion is very close to belief in government.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#58344 Sep 18, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't that pretty much how every religion works?
rabbee: drat! they are forever stuck between pick any ten of the 7 Noachide commands or 613 commands of G-D'S to Moshe.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#58345 Sep 18, 2013
danetoo wrote:
<quoted text>
do you think she might pass through West London ?
If so, I will bake my special cake and make a cuppa tea ...
You're a child of Israel, part of the chosen people. Queen Elizabeth is sitting on the throne of David and English will become the universal language. Zeph. 3:9. The Messiah will live in Jerusalem and David will probably live primarily in Washington D. C. and visit London. How did you know the Messiah is a woman?

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

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#58346 Sep 18, 2013
After nearly 60,000 posts to this thread, it has truly degenerated into a monkey house.

Now, the only question I have to ask myself is ...

Does my continued participation make me Jane Goodall, interested observer maintaining my species-based objectivity ... OR ...

Does it make me one of the monkeys?

As I ponder this I'm overwhelmed with the desire to fling my own feces at the glass.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#58347 Sep 18, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
After nearly 60,000 posts to this thread, it has truly degenerated into a monkey house.
Now, the only question I have to ask myself is ...
Does my continued participation make me Jane Goodall, interested observer maintaining my species-based objectivity ... OR ...
Does it make me one of the monkeys?
As I ponder this I'm overwhelmed with the desire to fling my own feces at the glass.
rabbee: no comment!

but the best i can say, about your ability to observe is - well never mind. just when you are, so close to the real truth. but what can you say about, monkey see monkey doo-doo? but some how i do not consider you female enough to be jane with me as get tarzan.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#58348 Sep 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
BS - you do judge
and it kills you that we ignore you
rabbee: well according to the scriptures of joel. he has more than a bs degree, he has a p-h-d, pilled higher and deeper degree. as it is most unfortunate, that joel does not ignore himself either. far beyond stuck up, is the totally self convinced.

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