Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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former res

Cheshire, CT

#53402 May 27, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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LOL.
So, the faculty or capacity developed from a state of latency or underdevelopment remains the same all throughout without diminution or atrophy? LOL.
There are fluctuations in a particular faculty leading to ultimate collapse despite our best efforts at maintaining it intact.
Mental alertness, sense faculties, body building, somersaulting, walking, running, painting, singing and other faculties peak within the innate capacity limits of the concerned person provided they are worked upon by employing the correct training methods of arousing them and they then begin flagging as time passes by and as age or weakness of any kind sets in. This is always the case.
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To believe that insentience can give rise to sentience and to assume that random and blind forces can ever produce order are the biggest stupidities that can be made by people - you're a prime example of big time stupidity.
Obviously, we can develop only those capacities that we possess and the way they develop or manifest from a state of latency depends on correct training methods.
There's nothing like true and correct - well developed muscles can be used to lift heavy loads as well as to bash up an enemy, a knife can be used to chop veggies as well as to murder and the cultivation of a keen mind can lead to deeper insights of nature and being and at the same time a well developed mind can create evils like nukes, germ warfare, mind control, robberies, computer viruses and the like.
This list of the dual nature of things can stretch on endlessly.
The bottom line is this - there's nothing rigidly good or rigidly bad but that everything has good and bad aspects in it that would depend on the way a thing is employed or better put the utility of a thing is dependent on the use it is put to.
Get it, dunce?
You're a long-winded baxtard if nothing else.

If you can say this in fewer words, I may even respond.

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#53403 May 27, 2013
former res wrote:
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Meditation is fine but claiming an almighty god is something else.
What do you know about meditation and its internal mechanism and results?

Almighty God?

I said God is a state of consciousness - a formation of consciousness and energy. Thoughts, for instance, are also formations of subtler ranges of consciousness-energy.

Once you enter deep into consciousness, you're accosted by numerous formations each worse than the other - YHVH, Allah, Jesus, Shiva etc.

These are experiences in subtler states of consciousness and they are in many ways attended by external signs as well.
former res wrote:
Of course we have physical evidence of thought, creativity, feelings - look around you at man's creations.
Idiot, those are the effects of the underlying cause and not the cause itself.

I asked if you can produce physical proof of say thoughts, feelings, suspicions, consciousness, and the like - can these be plucked out like a flower and shown to all and then studied using physical methods? Obviously, not.

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#53404 May 27, 2013
former res wrote:
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OTOH you have no idea who created what is known as nature. None of us do.
How stupid!

How can nature be created by someone when it's obvious that the effect (nature) is nothing else but the cause (unified field of consciousness-energy) in partial or complete manifestation.

Consciousness, energy (and matter) are the only verifiable entities, there's nothing besides these, and these in their subtlest states form a unified field which is indestructible since consciousness and energy can neither be created nor destroyed but simply keep changing from manifest to unmanifest state in cyclical fashion. All this very logical and provable.

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#53405 May 27, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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When was the last time I offered my actual religious beliefs?
Hey shabbath ass-licker,

Your sick religious beliefs and unbridled fanaticism are on open display here.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#53406 May 27, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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I said God is a state of consciousness - a formation of consciousness and energy. Thoughts, for instance, are also formations of subtler ranges of consciousness-energy.
Once you enter deep into consciousness, you're accosted by numerous formations each worse than the other - YHVH, Allah, Jesus, Shiva etc.
Drug use also produces a lot of different kinds of thoughts and images. I have no problem with any of it.

But calling these images deities, I don't personally agree with.

We have no idea who made all of this.

Just accept it and move on.

I understand the need to believe in something but realize, that not unlike drug use, it's a crutch.
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Idiot, those are the effects of the underlying cause and not the cause itself.
Yes, these are the proofs of the thought process itself.

You know these items did not create themselves.

And we know who did create them, unlike your god who only exists in your mind.

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#53407 May 27, 2013
former res wrote:
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Thank you.

A good butler, like a good dog, is loyal and intelligent.
And good with people.
Yes, you've got the consciousness and personality of an animal-type and matching low intelligence.

A dog is loyal to anyone who feeds and shelters it.

A dog lacks discrimination and would be loyal to a terrorist or to a mass murderer if they feed and shelter him with care.

Yes, like a lowly dog, you seriously lack discrimination which is why you post garbage and take up for perverts and fanatics.

Idiot, think before posting.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#53408 May 27, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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How stupid!
How can nature be created by someone when it's obvious that the effect (nature) is nothing else but the cause (unified field of consciousness-energy) in partial or complete manifestation.
Obvious to whom?

"I know that I know nothing" ... Socrates

I can live with that.

Others like you feel the need to bloviate.
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Consciousness, energy (and matter) are the only verifiable entities, there's nothing besides these, and these in their subtlest states form a unified field which is indestructible since consciousness and energy can neither be created nor destroyed but simply keep changing from manifest to unmanifest state in cyclical fashion. All this very logical and provable.
More bloviating.

As I said, long-winded.

It seems the less some people know, the more they talk.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53409 May 27, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Whatever
moving on...
Once again and please attempt ALL questions and address all points.

1.Explain the nation of Israel concept that you speak of.

2.Frijoles--- It is only intended for a group of people.

HughBe--- Support.

3.Frijoles---Its tied to a homeland, has a special language, and its own sacred history.

HughBe--- What language is the special one that you talk of?

Is French special?

How many languages are there in the world?

How many of them are special?

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#53410 May 27, 2013
former res wrote:
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Drug use also produces a lot of different kinds of thoughts and images.
Yes, drugs can throw the consciousness locked up in the brain cells into a state of activity that differs from their normal state of vibration.

This drug-induced state is often dangerous and opens up the consciousness in damaging and disordered ways or worst of all it puts the consciousness in touch with the adverse force formations....

See, since everything in existence is simply a combination of consciousness, energy and matter of varying degrees of intensity and concentration, with nothing existing besides these essentials, thus drugs, chants, sounds, mantras, thoughts and the like influence the mind-matter matrix in diverse ways...
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53411 May 27, 2013
Shivi wrote:
lot of misinformation ere
Hi Shivi, lovely avatar.
Please enlighten the darkness of those who are misinformed.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#53412 May 27, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Hey shabbath ass-licker,
Your sick religious beliefs and unbridled fanaticism are on open display here.
ACtually they are not - for the reasons I just posted

Do you always have such trouble at reading comprehension?

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#53413 May 27, 2013
former res wrote:
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But calling these images deities, I don't personally agree with.
You are a materialized consciousness.

So, it's only logical to assume that would exist numerous disembodied or non-materialized consciousnesses with the innate supporting energy.

These are the subtle formations - the beings - that I talked of.

Your awakened consciousness can come into direct contact with these non-materialized consciousnesses or beings and you can derive much info and power if they lock into your force fields but most of these experiences result in disaster since most of these non-materialized consciousnesses or beings are dangerous and tricky.

The Jewish deity YHVH is one such example of an evil or a dangerous being that can if it possesses or enters your force fields turn you into a savage, barbaric, bloodthirsty, cruel, cunning human monster like those perverted Hebrew patriarchs.

Allah is another distorted and dangerous non-materialized subtle consciousness - an inferior typal being.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#53414 May 27, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Yes, you've got the consciousness and personality of an animal-type and matching low intelligence.
It doesn't surprise me you're not lover or respecter of animals.

It means you don't love or respect yourself, probably rightfully so. I bet you don't treat waiters well either.

I find most animals very intelligent.

I find you to be an idiot.

JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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A dog is loyal to anyone who feeds and shelters it.
So is your mother.

JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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A dog lacks discrimination and would be loyal to a terrorist or to a mass murderer if they feed and shelter him with care.
Our gov't has also been loyal to terrorists and dictators at one time or the other. Your point?

JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Yes, like a lowly dog, you seriously lack discrimination which is why you post garbage and take up for perverts and fanatics.
Idiot, think before posting.
"Lowly dog" you say.

Man's best friend.

You are scum.

You aren't fit to wipe my dog's ass.

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#53415 May 27, 2013
former res wrote:
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unlike your god who only exists in your mind.
I only bow to my highest self - the highest state of consciousness in the depths of my being.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#53416 May 27, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Once again and please attempt ALL questions and address all points.
1.Explain the nation of Israel concept that you speak of.
2.Frijoles--- It is only intended for a group of people.
HughBe--- Support.
3.Frijoles---Its tied to a homeland, has a special language, and its own sacred history.
HughBe--- What language is the special one that you talk of?
Is French special?
How many languages are there in the world?
How many of them are special?
Hughbe, I am not wasting anytime on any of this. Nothing I can say will change your views. And, fundamentally, you have no interest in any of it anyway.

You claim to have Jewish relatives. Ask them.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#53417 May 27, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Yes, drugs can throw the consciousness..
Fxck yourself, dog hater.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53419 May 27, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Because we dont need to accept it as literally true in the historical sense to get meaning out of it (second time)
you are truely an idiot
moving on
HughBe---Given that the story of Esther is FICTIONAL and not HISTORICAL what justification is there for you to celebrate it?

Why do you and members of Judaism CELEBRATE a LIE.

Are the sheep told that Esther did NOT happen it is just a fable?

Do you read the book of Esther online?

Frijoles----Because we dont need to accept it as literally true in the historical sense to get meaning out of it (second time)

HughBe--- In what sense is Esther true, if not historically true?

We are certainly a bunch of IDIOTS if you are correct. To get meaning out of something does not mean that you should take a quantum leap and CELEBRATE a FICTIONAL event.

The ONLY people in the WORLD that celebrate a FICTIONAL character and FICTIONAL story are members of Judaism. It is no wonder that INTELLIGENCE who were once associated with your faith leave it. No doubt they FEEL, KNOW and THINK that you are a bunch of LUNATICS.

Why not celebrate the Aesop stories?

Are they without merit?

Definition of CELEBRATE--- "to observe (a day) or commemorate (an EVENT) with ceremonies or festivities: to celebrate Christmas; to celebrate the success of a new play."

Judahites COMMEMORATE a NON-EVENT or lie i.e. PURIM.

Is there any TRUTH in Judaism?

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#53420 May 27, 2013
former res wrote:
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Obvious to whom?
You're stupid.

The effect (nature) is nothing else but the cause (unified field of consciousness-energy) in partial or complete manifestation.

So, what else exists aside from consciousness, energy and matter?

The embodied unified field of consciousness-energy is nature and being.

Science and yoga have arrived at the same conclusion with minor differences.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#53421 May 27, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Is French special?
The French spend extraordinary amounts of energy preserving and maintaining their language. So to them, it is special. However, there is nothing unique (that I know of) about their language vis a vis their religion , i.e. its not considered a sacred religious language (that I know of).

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#53422 May 27, 2013
former res wrote:
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Fxck yourself, dog hater.
I dont think he can. His anatomy shriveled up long time ago. By his own admittance.

Have you ever hiked the trap rock ridges around your new domicile? I was in Meriden yesterday and it was gorgeous.

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