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Church of God of Prophecy rethinks position against divorce, re...

There are 811 comments on the The Dickson Herald story from Aug 22, 2006, titled Church of God of Prophecy rethinks position against divorce, re.... In it, The Dickson Herald reports that:

As some 10,000 members of the Church of God of Prophecy gather in Nashville this week, the denomination will revisit its position that divorced people who remarry are committing adultery.

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Paul

Roanoke, VA

#21 Oct 15, 2006
If there was no name for it how could christians seeking to worship know about it? The guidline for a name should be who is the worship being directed to. There are several biblically authorized names. The temple is what it was called when we were under the old law. When Christ died the new law came into effect. Corinthians 13:10 says "but when that which is complete has come, then that which is partial will be done away with". What it boils down to is bible authority. It doesn't matter what I say or you say or any other person says. What matters is what the bible says. "God is a spirit and those that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth" John 4:24. Spirit being with the right heart or attitude, and truth being the true way he asked us to worship him in the bible. The point of having a paid preacher would be to have someone to teach who is well educated in the original languages so he can teach us, for instance, that the word baptism is transliterated. If it had been translated then it would read "immersed for remission of sins." Acts 2:38 So because we have a qualified preacher he will help us to study more effectively. "study to show thyself approved..." II tim 2:15. You actually do need to be a member of the Lords Church. And God adds you to his church not a man or a council. "And the LORD added to the church daily such as should be saved." Acts 2:47. The bible actually tells us not to skip church. "..not forsaking the assembling..." Heb 10:25. Deacons and Elders are actually required by God to lead and their qualifications are given in the new testament. I tim. 3:3 "...Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy" etc etc. There are no mentions of the pope or any other biblical government. As a matter of fact there is no mention of any church government past the elders and deacons of a local congregation. So any other council, state board national convention etc is an idea of men and therefore contrary to God's word. Again it's down to biblical authority and the opinion of any person has no place in the church that Christ established. We all must lead is a great attitude! We are all responsible to lead by example, and work for the Lord. "The harvest is indeed plentiful, but the laborers are few." Luke 10:2 Follow Christ! Worship the creator! They are worthy of praise!
kkk

Cincinnati, OH

#22 Oct 23, 2006
kkk i love the kkk
kkk

Cincinnati, OH

#23 Oct 23, 2006
fu
j dixon

United States

#25 Oct 28, 2006
Sherry wrote:
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I do not agree with the decision that was made concerning adultery that the Bible clearly states is sin. No sin can enter heaven. Therefore what ever sin one has to repent of to become forgiven must also be forsaken.
sherry read romans chapter 6 7 about adu marriage gods word on man and wife.
Scrappy

Atlanta, GA

#26 Oct 29, 2006
Seems to me that all this "judging" is in and of itself a sin. What makes your judging someone any less important and sinful than you say remarriage is. God is the supreme author of it all..He and He alone has the authority or position to cast judgment ..... as for the lying comment in this post...well, yeah lying is a sin, but are you telling me you have NEVER told a lie..not even a "little white lie" and so many call them... have you never in all your years made a promise to God in any form and never kept it... please forgive me, but we all have at some point in our lives... seems to me, so many don't want to acknowledge God's forgiveness.... stop judging..let God do that.... those judgment are no better in a sin position than those who remarry. Remarriage when divorced is a sin as scripture states, but it is a forgiveable sin... Doesn't mean we enter into a remarriage situation with the thought that God will forgive me, but when GOD and GOD alone deals with someone on any sin, including the remarriage, HE will do the convicting and HE will do the forgiving and the healing. He wipes away the past once we are forgiven and we get the chance to start anew...just like a killer, drug addict, and any other sinner.
Paul

Roanoke, VA

#27 Oct 30, 2006
Scrappy wrote:
Seems to me that all this "judging" is in and of itself a sin. What makes your judging someone any less important and sinful than you say remarriage is. God is the supreme author of it all..He and He alone has the authority or position to cast judgment ..... as for the lying comment in this post...well, yeah lying is a sin, but are you telling me you have NEVER told a lie..not even a "little white lie" and so many call them... have you never in all your years made a promise to God in any form and never kept it... please forgive me, but we all have at some point in our lives... seems to me, so many don't want to acknowledge God's forgiveness.... stop judging..let God do that.... those judgment are no better in a sin position than those who remarry. Remarriage when divorced is a sin as scripture states, but it is a forgiveable sin... Doesn't mean we enter into a remarriage situation with the thought that God will forgive me, but when GOD and GOD alone deals with someone on any sin, including the remarriage, HE will do the convicting and HE will do the forgiving and the healing. He wipes away the past once we are forgiven and we get the chance to start anew...just like a killer, drug addict, and any other sinner.
If a killer, drug addict, or any other asks for forgiveness they are expected to quit the sin. Repentance is Godly sorrow, and turning from the sin. hebrews 10:26 says For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more a sacrifice for sins. If you are married to someone who has been divorced for any reason other than being cheated on then you live in sin. Is it judging or is it rightfully dividing? We are supposed to rebuke an erring brother. Timothy 4:2. preach the word; be urgent in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with all patience and ...
Rosalie

France

#28 Nov 29, 2006
Amy wrote:
I remained in a marriage for many years with a "minister" that could not stay faithful, claiming he was a "sex addict" and after many years of forgiving over and over again, simply staying for "the church" and "for the kids" and for my "COGOP parents", I finally had enough! We attempted christian counseling, but he would leave the sessions more angry that when he came in, thought of it as a finger-pointing session. So after the last affair (which was with another ministers wife) I'd had enough and left. I found that I did not fit in any longer in the COGOP because I was that "divorced" person and knew I could never be a member again if I chose to date or remarry. That was okay because the COGOP would never be my salvation and God knows my heart! I have recently married after 6 years of being single and know in my heart I will go to heaven. I do not need a denomination to tell me my fate....
I am totally in agreement with you, COGOP will not tell you your fate. There are two sins God will not forgive you for, Blasphemy and murder. Be happy and love the lord be bless.
Rosalie

France

#29 Nov 29, 2006
estell wrote:
the bible says it is a sin.what next for the church, sin is sin. if this was right any thing goes.
I am so happy you are not God, forgiveness, 70x7
Frank

Greenwood, IN

#30 Nov 29, 2006
It's amazing how much of the church misinterprets Christ's words. Look at the Greek text. Jesus never said he that "divorces" and marries another commits adultery. He said he that "putteth away" his spouse and marries another, commits adultery. In Jesus' day it was common for hard-hearted folks to just kick their wives out and marry someone else without releasing the wife with the "get" or proper divorce papers. This would cause all manner of evil to come upon the woman and children.

This "antidivorce" mindset of the church is in violation of everything scripture teaches. It causes children to be raised without fathers and mothers. It causes families to endure years and years of abuse and hardship. It's unfortunate, as the church does little to clean up the messes its error creates in the lives of people.
Frank

Greenwood, IN

#31 Nov 29, 2006
Oh, and yes, the Lord forgives ALL sin, blasphemy or murder, improper divorce.

As far as the blaspheming the Holy Spirit, that's another story.

As far as these folks who desire to grab Christians by the throat because they've been remarried after divorce, I'd say they are on very serious ground. The Bible says that he that condemns the just is an abomination to the Lord. Also, he that forgives not his brother or sister cannot be forgiven. Very serious issue.
Paul

Roanoke, VA

#32 Nov 30, 2006
Rosalie wrote:
<quoted text>I am totally in agreement with you, COGOP will not tell you your fate. There are two sins God will not forgive you for, Blasphemy and murder. Be happy and love the lord be bless.
You need to look to God's inspired word for the laws not the cogop. The bible does not say "There are two sins God will not forgive you for, Blasphemy and murder." It's just not there.
Paul

Roanoke, VA

#33 Nov 30, 2006
God hates divorce. (Malachi 2:16)
Frank

Greenwood, IN

#34 Dec 1, 2006
Paul wrote:
God hates divorce.(Malachi 2:16)
The actual language in Hebrew is God hates the "putting away," or more specifically, the "treacherous" putting away they did. No, folks who are divorced and remarried are certainly not living in adultery. The notion is nonsensical and absurd in every sense.
Frank

Greenwood, IN

#35 Dec 2, 2006
Paul wrote:
<quoted text>
If a killer, drug addict, or any other asks for forgiveness they are expected to quit the sin. Repentance is Godly sorrow, and turning from the sin. hebrews 10:26 says For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more a sacrifice for sins. If you are married to someone who has been divorced for any reason other than being cheated on then you live in sin. Is it judging or is it rightfully dividing? We are supposed to rebuke an erring brother. Timothy 4:2. preach the word; be urgent in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with all patience and ...
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First of all, to say that "if you are married to someone who has been divorced for any reason other than being cheated on then you live in sin," is improper Biblical interpretation. Quoting someone out of context becomes what they call a "pretext," which is what Paul from Roanoke as well as many denominations have done. They have taken Christ's words and perverted them by taking them out of context.

In Christ's day, the Pharisees utilized a "no fault" divorce policy and kicked their wives out for no reason but their adulterous thoughts. The "fornication" Christ referenced was either one of two things: The betrothal period where a woman was found a nonvirigin and the man, according to Jewish law, was in the right to end the bethrothal, or he was referring to the illegality of the marriage itself due to two people just living together.

He certainly was NOT saying that a man can be a mass murderer, child molester, etc, but sorry, unless you have evidence he's been with another woman, you have to stay by him. To interpret the Scripture that way is like making God out to be an imbecile.

Those who like to condemn those who are remarried after divorce are no different than little children on a playground who like to make fun of other children because it makes them feel good. It's foolish, infantile and just plain sinful.

Again, Paul said: "Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. But and if thou marry, thou hast NOT sinned."

You see, many don't want to use this scripture because they like to condemn people. They take isolated Scriptures out of context as the "Church of God" has done, the Assemblies of God, many Baptist denominations, ministers of all sort. It's a shame. It's error. It's sinful. It's wrong. The Lord will hold folks accountable for this misinterpretation, many times willful misinterpretation for the sole reason to condemn the innocent.

Paul

Roanoke, VA

#36 Dec 4, 2006
You have to back your ideas with scripture. Otherwise it's opinion. Frank never stated what would be a scriptural reason for divorce. What's crazy is saying that marriages that stay together cause kids to grow up without parents. Sticking it out and praying for guidance is the way to save marriages and raise kids in homes with both parents. If a person has sex with anyone other than their spouse it is adultery.
Matthew 19
7 They asked him, "Why then did Moses command us to give her a bill of divorce, and divorce her?"

8 He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it has not been so.

9 I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and he who marries her when she is divorced commits adultery."

It is showing love and concern for people's salvation when you tell them the TRUTH.
Sheryl

Atlanta, GA

#37 Dec 5, 2006
Ursula wrote:
What if you divorced because the husband was beating the crap out of the wife?
It is my belief that there are three occassions whereby God grants one freedom from an unfaithful spouse: Abandonment, Adultery, and Abuse. I was married to a "Man of God", who cheated on me the entire time we were married, he beat me in front of my children, raped me and refused to keep a job. He also refused to allow me or my children to be treated by doctors for any reasons. We divorced five years ago; within fours month he remarried. I am still single, but not by choice, I desire deeply to be married. To this day, no elder or minister, has ever addressed my husbands actions, everyone made me the incumbent. I had women in church call me and say that their husbands beat her, and she was still staying. I had one pastor physically attack me, stating I was causing husband who was a pastor shame. It was easier for them to see me as the bad guy somehow. I only repent for marrying him in the first place. Statistically 70% of women married to pastor are abused by these same men, 85% of homelessness for women and children is caused by domestic violence. My ex threaten to kill me in front of my eldest son, my son was sixteen at the time, at that moment I made my decision to leave--and NEVER look back data proves most young men are incarcerated from protecting their moms from spouses or intimate partners. I don't believe God has called us to unhealthy living, but a life of peace. I also believe and hope that GOD will bless me with a loving faithful, strong, funny, intelligent, successful Christian husband--who understands and is able to implement the word of God in marriage.
Frank

Greenwood, IN

#38 Dec 11, 2006
"Frank never stated what would be a scriptural reason for divorce."
See, this is the problem. Thinking that scripture gives reasons for divorce. A common mistake to think that Christ was being asked the reason for divorce. He was not. He was explaining the reason for the bill of divorce.
"What's crazy is saying that marriages that stay together cause kids to grow up without parents, et."
No, but forcing abusive marriages creating neglect and destruction causes that. So does enforcing singleness to one due to a spouse who has clearly left the relationship.
"Sticking it out and praying for guidance is the way to save marriages and raise kids in homes with both parents."
That is not true. If the traditional doctrine of MDR was solid, we would have had better statistics. The answer to solid home life is repentence and faith in Christ.
"If a person has sex with anyone other than their spouse it is adultery."
I agree.
"They asked him,"Why then did Moses command us to give her a bill of divorce, and divorce her?"
8 He said to them,"Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it has not been so.
9 I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and he who marries her when she is divorced commits adultery."
First of all, this is a misinterpretation of scripture. Christ said, he that "putteth away" or "sends away" his wife and marries another commits adultery. You cannot rely purely upon the English translation or you're in error. Christ came to uphold the law of Moses. The law of Moses did not allow divorce for adultery. In Jesus's day they would simply cast their wives out with the bill freeing them to remarry. Thus the wife, when she remarries, would be "caused to commit adultery." (See Zodhiates.)
The jurisdiction for saying who can have a marriage and who can't does not fall under the authority of the church. That falls under the civil authority.
Frank

Greenwood, IN

#39 Dec 11, 2006
BTW, I highly recommend Sherman Nobles' book, "God is a Divorcee, Too."

It's a sold book that exposes the lies that the church has adopted regarding this topic, and teaches liberty and peace to those who have been divorced. Again, I HIGHLY recommend it.

Also, see this link:

http://www.totalhealth.bz/divorce-and-remarri...
Frank

Greenwood, IN

#40 Dec 11, 2006
"It is showing love and concern for people's salvation when you tell them the TRUTH."
The TRUTH is certainly not what the modern-day church is promulgating. That much, I am certain of.
Paul

Roanoke, VA

#41 Dec 13, 2006
Frank wrote:
BTW, I highly recommend Sherman Nobles' book, "God is a Divorcee, Too."
It's a sold book that exposes the lies that the church has adopted regarding this topic, and teaches liberty and peace to those who have been divorced. Again, I HIGHLY recommend it.
Also, see this link:
http://www.totalhealth.bz/divorce-and-remarri...
The hebrew word translated as putting away is "shalakh" it does mean to send. Malachi 2:14-15. But in context it does mean to divorce. You have to look at the surrounding verses. also mark 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Marriage is binding. Adultery is the only scriptural reason for divorce and the guilty party may not remarry. If they do they live in sin. It's all plain in scripture. You can make people "feel good" by telling them things that comfort them, but that doesn't make it the truth. "The church" you refer to is worldwide and speading many false doctrines, but "the church" that Christ started is the truth and Christ is the way the truth and the life.

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